The RIAA Armageddon has begun

frogbs repels intelligence like a duck repels water and if you call him on it you just get to watch him repel intelligence for 100 more posts. best to ignore imo.

lol you have literally not put together a remotely coherant reponse to any of the points i've brought up here, glass houses man

lol you have literally not put together a remotely coherant reponse to any of the points i've brought up here, glass houses man

c'mon dude

like we literally have hundreds of posts here tearing down bad RIAA logic and now we're calling out posters who try to tear down that exact same logic, albeit in the context of "one of our own", how can you wish for intelligent discussion when the average response I get is "you said it's literally free, DO YOU THINK HARD DRIVES ARE FREE? do MB's just come out of thin air?"

like we literally have hundreds of posts here tearing down bad RIAA logic and now we're calling out posters who try to tear down that exact same logic, albeit in the context of "one of our own", how can you wish for intelligent discussion when the average response I get is "you said it's literally free, DO YOU THINK HARD DRIVES ARE FREE? do MB's just come out of thin air?"

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2009/2/99%20Oh,%20Russia.%20You%20crazy..jpg

and now we've divolved into pointing out spelling mistakes, bravo Mr. Q

"divolved"

divolution

jesus again with the mispelled words I get it you guys

frogbs when you entered this thread it was like a toddler in a superman costume coming downstairs to bug the adults. i don't say that with malice it's just... exactly what it was like.

sorry if my posting isn't acceptible to you guys, I just don't understand why you are so commited to this

and by adults i mean other people besides me, i'm not including myself in the "adult" party.

lol at him just spelling things wrong on purpose now

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sorry if my posting isn't acceptible to you guys, I just don't understand why you are so commited to this

it's just a drag to have an interesting conversation steered awry by a ton of thick b.s. xp

i think people ITT are a little too "poor diy musician of 2012, how doomed are they" tbh. 10 years ago you might spend a chunk of your own money pressing up CDs that you keep in the trunk of your car, unloading them little by little at merch tables and local shops, spending money on postage to send out promo copies, trying to get a bite. now you upload stuff, send out a few e-mails, and sometimes shit doesn't happen but a lot of times it really does, quickly and cheaply. there's something to be said for that.

Matt, I know your either not willing to understand a simple fucking argument or proud of your ignorence, but if you can't understand why comparring physical goods to digital ones is terrible judgement, then your opinion is hardly relevent

hi

now you upload stuff, send out a few e-mails, and sometimes shit doesn't happen but a lot of times it really does, quickly and cheaply. there's something to be said for that.

yeah, totally.

also lol @ this discussion being interesting before I came in, it was literaly 100 posts of "man FUCK that guy for calling out his intern" and "FUCK that guy for calling out the other guy", and "FUCK all you guys because I recorded an album and I didnt make a lot of money"

^ interesting point

there were literally three posts before frogbs came in and that's exactly what they said

Gunning for fifbsy-one I see

now you upload stuff, send out a few e-mails, and sometimes shit doesn't happen but a lot of times it really does, quickly and cheaply. there's something to be said for that.

yeah, totally.

Yeah, totally, which is why I still get a shit-ton of press releases from publicists hired by bands. I'll give you saving moneys on promos, though.

Hey, I have no idea, but are publicists making less money these days? Charging less money?

i think people ITT are a little too "poor diy musician of 2012, how doomed are they" tbh.

Yes.

Now we get to see stuff like this on Kickstarter:

Even the greatest works of art need help reaching people and can use a serious promotional effort. Our goal here is to raise $6,000, which would enable us to hire a publicist (who will get the recording on the desk of music editors, in the media, on prominent blogs, etc.) and start an east coast tour in support of the album. Although $6,000 is only a portion of what it will take to release and promote this new CD, we want to meet the strict 100% funding goals of Kick Starter (as you may already know, if we don't reach our goal, all of the money raised is returned and the project won't be funded).

Elikeh is a Washington, DC Afropop band with members from West Africa and the US. The style is a combination of 70's Afro-funk, with some Togolese rhythms, rock, reggae, Afro-beats.

Publicists aren't charging any less, lawyers aren't charging any less-- happily the digital age means that you get more for your money in hiring a publicist. Looking at a publicist's response sheet is like, "whoa, you do a lot of work, huh" xp

oh the publicist e-mail/blogosphere aspect of putting out a record today can definitely be pretty shitty in its own way. i'm just saying that in many ways things are BETTER now for broke musicians than they used to be, in terms of how much they have to spend just for any chance of getting heard, etc.

the plight of the publicist in the late-capitalist digital era

curmudgeon that sounds like something cool & worth supporting that would have had to hope Shanachie or RealWorld granted it favor - is that your point? to me the nice thing about kickstarter is the occasional cool-thing-nobody-would-have-supported can reach an audience of only people who're already interested

My point was only to show the ongoing role of the publicist and how some indie artists seek money to pay them

Elikeh met that Kickstarter goal and so some folks here like me who have reviewed whirled music will likely get emails from a publicist re their album and upcoming tour

yeah I think people who deny the usefulness of publicists don't generally know what they're talking about. unfortunately amanda palmer's kickstarter is gonna be the new King of Limbs: "She made a million 'just by starting a Kickstarter,'* therefore that's possible for everybody"

*lol

seems like publicists might be even more important now, given the signal to noise ratio that i assume writers/media outlets deal with?

oh yeah i forgot about that. did she really end up making a million? land of opportunity right here.

wowee 1.1 mill! this is the future of music indeed.

that album better not suck.

better be THE GREATEST ALBUM EVER MADE.

In Rainbows. Not King Of Limbs.

Love, yr friendly neighbourhood Radiohead fanatic

those are the same album just w/diff names tho right?

every radiohead album is the same album with different names.

that bus monitor who got mocked by those kids is doing Amanda Palmer numbers
http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein?c=home

http://yourkickstartersucks.tumblr.com/

that bus monitor who got mocked by those kids is doing Amanda Palmer numbers
http://www.indiegogo.com/loveforkarenhklein?c=home

Countdown until someone stages a sham bully attack for guilt-dollars in 5... 4... 3...

so is the July 12 clampdown still on?
CDs are good on the merch table, esp after shows, for cranked-up impulse buys. Also, they'll long outlive downloads, mysteriously subject to corruption no matter where you store 'em. So, though I'm more likely to say, "Sure, send me the link," even when the pitch is badly written (figure they won't be wasting their postage etc, so no guilt-tripping myself), I have to fgure how many backups will I make of each such promo, and where will I store it. Plus, I spend a lot more time downloading etc than I ever did opening envelopes. Oh well.
July 12, eh?

this starts today?

http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/ISP-Six-Strikes-to-Begin-This-Weekend-120119?nocomment=1

so basically if you spend time on filesharing sites, you'll be given warnings by your ISP? i just downloaded a promo from a publicist on sendspace -- am i in trouble?

my ol' dirty armchair projection, from email response to a friend wondering about what's in it for ISPs:"Do they want to get rid of broadband subscribers?" welll...

There's already at least the possibility of charging subscribers more, justified by the cost of policing. So far, some/most providers, spooked by screaming customers etc, have had to ease the cap (for my DSL, and I guess some other thingies) in place, or keep it hovering gently overhead (no way I'm ever going to even brush ATT's current cap). But this might be a way of motivating me to upgrade--if my rate for this same ol' service is increasing from 42.95 to 60.00 anyway, why not pay say 80.00 and actually get more stuff? Including legit downloads--still paying a bit more if I exceed the cap, but either way guaranteed legit by my provider. Continuing the partition of the Web of course, and hey check our App Store! Provider galaxies of app-wormholes side by side in the Fecesbookeverse, till something bigger and hungrier comes along.

Like with the price of an iPod, why not pay even more (but not too much more)to get even more, when the iPhone comes along? And then--the iPad!

Are you saying 'why not double my internet bill?'