here's another example
GOP would just eliminate the EPA altogether, if they had their way.
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:35 (eleven years ago) link
oops gettin my politics threads mixed up
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
O's "long game" was to foment dissent within the GOP ranks and encourage the fringe right to come to the fore. which happened.
i don't believe this for a second
― goole, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
no obamacare decision today. maybe monday! get hype!
― goole, Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:39 (eleven years ago) link
there was all the stuff about Limbaugh, converting Arlen Specter, goading the right-wing about the birther stuff, there are a lot of little things that made it clear this was their goal
xp
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:42 (eleven years ago) link
well, I'm glad their goal of really getting the fringe to expose itself has resulted in so many restrictions on reproductive rights in state houses across the country! well done, long game
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:47 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I think they've run into some unintended consequences lol
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:49 (eleven years ago) link
like it works as an election strategy to paint your opponent as a fringe lunatic (GOP did very well with this strategy for years) - kinda breaks down at the legislative level, unless you really break party unity and get some defectors, which obviously hasn't happened.
― a dense custard of infinity (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:50 (eleven years ago) link
I did irl lol here
― decrepit but free (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 21 June 2012 17:51 (eleven years ago) link
If there was a long game, I do not think it was what you think it was.
― nuts spats (Austerity Ponies), Thursday, 21 June 2012 18:31 (eleven years ago) link
ok UNO then.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 21 June 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link
NYU prof writing for The Guardian about why Republicans get the white working class non-college educated southern males with jobs vote. Hmmmm, looks a little too simplistic for me.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jun/05/why-working-class-people-vote-conservative?CMP=twt_gu
politics at the national level is more like religion than it is like shopping. It's more about a moral vision that unifies a nation and calls it to greatness than it is about self-interest or specific policies. In most countries, the right tends to see that more clearly than the left. In America the Republicans did the hard work of drafting their moral vision in the 1970s, and Ronald Reagan was their eloquent spokesman. Patriotism, social order, strong families, personal responsibility (not government safety nets) and free enterprise. Those are values, not government programmes.
The Democrats, in contrast, have tried to win voters' hearts by promising to protect or expand programmes for elderly people, young people, students, poor people and the middle class. Vote for us and we'll use government to take care of everyone! But most Americans don't want to live in a nation based primarily on caring. That's what families are for.
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 21 June 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
ha i knew that was haidt without you saying so
― goole, Thursday, 21 June 2012 18:46 (eleven years ago) link
lol @ his uk book cover btw
http://www.amazon.com/The-Righteous-Mind-Politics-Religion/dp/0307377903
vs
http://www.guardianbookshop.co.uk/BerteShopWeb/viewProduct.do?ISBN=9781846141812
― goole, Thursday, 21 June 2012 18:47 (eleven years ago) link
Aye, but that's just the US hardcover: http://www.amazon.com/Righteous-Mind-Divided-Politics-Religion/dp/1846141818/ref=tmm_hrd_title_1
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 21 June 2012 18:51 (eleven years ago) link
http://andrewgelman.com/2012/06/stop-me-before-i-aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa/http://andrewgelman.com/2012/06/cognitive-psychology-research-helps-us-understand-how-celebrated-psychology-researcher-jonathan-haidt-made-such-an-easily-avoidable-error/
― iatee, Thursday, 21 June 2012 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal-a/2012_06/food_stamps_versus_peanuts038122.php
bipartisan Senate farm bill is flawed and the House farm bill is likely to be worse
― curmudgeon, Friday, 22 June 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/06/22/obamas-consumer-watchdog-gets-sued/
the next ridiculous constitutional challenge that will become fully accepted by half the country in 6-9 months
A small Texas bank, together with two conservative advocacy groups, have filed suit against the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, claiming that its powers and Obama’s recess appointment of its director are unconstitutional.
The State National Bank of Big Spring, Tex., the Competitive Enterprise Institute and the 60 Plus Association, a conservative advocacy group for seniors, claim that Dodd-Frank effectively gives “unbounded power to the CFPB,” resulting in “unprecedented violations of ‘the basic concept of separation of powers’ ” laid out in the Constitution.richard cordray, cfpb
The lawsuit also alleges that President Obama’s recess appointment of CFPB Director Richard Cordray was unconstitutional because it did not happen during an official Senate recess. Finally, it claims that the new Financial Stability Oversight Council is also unconstitutional for having “sweeping power and effectively unbridled discretion” to determine which banks are “too big to fail” and thus subject to greater oversight.
― goole, Friday, 22 June 2012 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
Bringing new meaning to 'frivolous lawsuit'.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 22 June 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
that's what they said about the anti-mandate suits innit
― goole, Friday, 22 June 2012 20:25 (eleven years ago) link
i can guarantee that there is a federal judge or two who won't find such arguments "frivolous." probably in the federal circuit where this law suit was filed, not coincidentally.
― kurwa mać (Polish for "long life") (Eisbaer), Saturday, 23 June 2012 04:33 (eleven years ago) link
lol: http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2012/06/14/rnc-latino-site-features-stock-photo-of-asian-children
― Faith in Humanity: Restored (dayo), Saturday, 23 June 2012 13:29 (eleven years ago) link
So I can't understand how Harry Reid is going to fund the school loan thing, but he apparently got Senate cooperation (and they're waiting for the House)
― curmudgeon, Wednesday, 27 June 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
Democratic presidents are better for the economy.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 29 June 2012 19:54 (eleven years ago) link
Texas GOP opposes critical thinking
― Fas Ro Duh (Gukbe), Friday, 29 June 2012 23:13 (eleven years ago) link
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78096.html
House Republicans cutting back on food stamp money
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 July 2012 18:01 (eleven years ago) link
“Every American that I know has been in line behind the person who had pulled out the food stamp card with their buggy full of groceries,” said Rep. Austin Scott, a Republican freshman from Georgia, at an April meeting of the Agriculture panel. “They put it up there and they put it up there with their beer and their cigarettes and everything else. And whatever is covered under food stamps they pay for with the food stamp card and whatever is not, they open up their wallet and they pay for it with cash.”
I agree, this is horrific abuse of the system. Food stamps people should have to wait until all non-food stamps people have checked out before stepping into a line. Also to buy beer and cigarettes you should have to present your last paycheck.
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 5 July 2012 18:24 (eleven years ago) link
Austin Scott may not realize that cigarettes are addictive, so the option of just stopping buying them is not exactly in the cards for most poor people on food stamps. Someone ought to explain this to him.
― Aimless, Thursday, 5 July 2012 18:30 (eleven years ago) link
He'll say they should go cold turkey
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:03 (eleven years ago) link
To further muddy the waters:
[u]Published: August 19, 2011 Federal officials on Friday rejected Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg’s proposal to bar New York City’s food stamp users from buying soda and other sugary drinks with them.
The decision derailed one of the mayor’s big ideas to fight obesity and poor nutrition in the city. Mr. Bloomberg and the city’s health commissioner, Dr. Thomas A. Farley, were quick to criticize the ruling by the United States Department of Agriculture as a disservice to low-income residents.
The decision was a victory for the soft-drink industry, which had lobbied against the proposal,/i]
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
that was from the NY Times
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
He'd probably also make them move into carboard boxes and wear prison clothes.
― Aimless, Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
― curmudgeon, Thursday, July 5, 2012
Actually he'll say they should get jobs and pay for smokes themselves
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
And for everything else
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
I'm sorry, can we just go back to this for a second so someone can explain to me why I should care about this scenario, which sounds like it is operating the way it's supposed to?
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:11 (eleven years ago) link
your hard-earned money is being used to pay for black people to live a life of ease
― max, Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
Years ago I had to ask a friend to entertain the possibility that the man or woman might have gotten the cash as a weekly handout from a child or relative.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:14 (eleven years ago) link
black people are literally driving buggies into the grocery store to buy their traditional food of beer and cigarettes, and whatever their ebt card doesnt pay for they use cash money that they literally took out of your bank account
― max, Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:15 (eleven years ago) link
Rep Scott apparently believes that if you are not utterly destitute and penniless, then you do not deserve any public assistance. But if you ask him who does deserve it, he'd probably have objections to anyone getting it.
― Aimless, Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
lol, the best thing about that statement is everyone I've ever seen in my 21 years of urban living who has done what was being described in that snippet was whitey mc super white
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
http://prints.encore-editions.com/500/0/two-african-american-men-sitting-in-horse-drawn-carriage-bakery-and-other-commercial-buildlings-in-background.jpg
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
I'm trying to think actually, I've seen black ppl with public assistance cards maybe a total of five times in my time in Boston? (largely due to the neighborhoods I've lived in as opposed to them not existing) Cambridge and Somerville definitely have a large contingent of white Americans on food stamps tho
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:18 (eleven years ago) link
when you're poor sometimes you need some beer and some smokes to take the edge off how bad it sucks to be poor & I mean that seriously & anybody who doesn't actually know that in his bones is my fuckin enemy, getting all aggro about "they're on food stamps but they bought beer!" is some miserable human being shit
dudes like this do make it easier for me to pull the level for the Dems so I appreciate that anyway
― perry en concrète (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
lever
tbh it would make more sense if dude was getting incensed about ppl buying soda with food stamps than it does to get incensed about buying beer with not-food-stamps
― I see you, Pineapple Teef (DJP), Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
lotsa people on ilx have pretty much said the same thing as the republican dude
― iatee, Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link
just always w/r/t white poor people
― iatee, Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:31 (eleven years ago) link
What is so extra dipshit about the shocking "buying beer with leftover money scenario" is that it is so irrelevant to the larger issues. IT HELPS THE FUCKING ECONOMY WHEN POOR PEOPLE HAVE MORE MONEY TO SPEND ON STUFF BESIDES JUST BASIC SUSTENANCE.
Buying beer, or any other damn thing, is economic activity. Of which there is not enough.
Toploading the economy (tax cuts, tax deals, tax incentives, tax shenanigans) doesn't work as an economic stimulus. However, all money that goes to (or stays with) poor people - or lower middle class people, or even middle-class people - instantly begins circulating through the economy. Even rich people benefit, they just have to wait for the less-rich people spend it.
It's not about who "deserves" it, it's about a more vibrant economy means more money for everybody.
Hey Democrats. Try making this argument instead of pretending that you are "free-market" and "anti-deficit" too. Go on, you can do it. Lord knows you use up enough airtime.
― Vic Perry, Thursday, 5 July 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
This is so fucking OTM. These shitheads have no idea what a working poor lifestyle is like. Some one who can't comprehend how you feel when you're down and out and broke; are they even human ffs?
― 'Sit pax in valle tamesis' ('Let there be Peace in the Thames Valley') (Viceroy), Thursday, 5 July 2012 23:01 (eleven years ago) link
Via Amy Sullivan at TNR, we read this amusing story from the Livingston Parish News:
Rep. Valarie Hodges, R-Watson, says she had no idea that Gov. Bobby Jindal’s overhaul of the state’s educational system might mean taxpayer support of Muslim schools. “I actually support funding for teaching the fundamentals of America’s Founding Fathers’ religion, which is Christianity, in public schools or private schools,” the District 64 Representative said Monday.“I liked the idea of giving parents the option of sending their children to a public school or a Christian school,” Hodges said.Hodges mistakenly assumed that “religious” meant “Christian.”
I am guessing that in Louisiana it will mean Christian, unless the ACLU intervenes.
― curmudgeon, Friday, 6 July 2012 15:37 (eleven years ago) link