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I've been trying to find out, but yes new TV's were needed but PAL started in 1964 I think the old signal not switched off till the early 80s I think.

Ed (dali), Thursday, 18 March 2004 19:36 (twenty years ago) link

I think I am going to buy one of these tomorrow:

http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/azurpix/dab500_800.jpg


http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/classicseries/dab500.html

Mooro (Mooro), Thursday, 18 March 2004 20:53 (twenty years ago) link

Is this kind of thing in any way exciting, Mike?

"It also embraces NCT (Natural Contour Technology) which allows the listener to subtly adjust a performance’s timbre, via a three-stage control on the back panel. While Cambridge Audio would always recommend the neutral setting, users may wish to employ the time domain compensation system to balance out particularly processed broadcasts. The Lo setting adds weight and warmth to a performance, while Hi will give a fuller, bolder delivery."

Mooro (Mooro), Thursday, 18 March 2004 20:57 (twenty years ago) link

While Cambridge Audio would always recommend the neutral setting, users may wish to employ the time domain compensation system

Ha ha! This is the most superior copywriting I've ever read.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 18 March 2004 21:00 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, Ed's sorta right. 625-line UHF was introduced in 1964 for the then new BBC2. BBC1 and ITV used it from 1969 onwards, but both were also avaliable on 405-line VHF until the early eighties.

Ricardo (RickyT), Thursday, 18 March 2004 21:05 (twenty years ago) link

WOW! I think that explains something that has puzzled me for years. When I was a kid, I discovered that one of my radios had an FM dial that went further than most, and that I could pick up BBC and ITV audio on it. I used to listen to it in bed. I could never understand how this was possible until now.

N. (nickdastoor), Thursday, 18 March 2004 21:08 (twenty years ago) link

Yeah, Ed and Ricardo are right - it's your old 405-line gubbins that's now been snaffled up for DAB Band III. How many people still had tellies which could only receive VHF in 1984, I wonder?

N. - by clutching your radio tightly to your forehead beneath the bedclothes could you form the TV images too?

NCT sounds like fancy EQ with a bit of harmonic distortion chucked in to me. If it makes it sounds nice, fairynuff. I'm not terribly interested in DAB cos the bitrates are worse than Freeview (same as digital satellite/cable for radio) and the wealth of extra channel choice seems, well, a bit duff. But being able to listen to the radio without interrupting the telly - obviously a good thing.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 19 March 2004 11:22 (twenty years ago) link

Freeview no good to me here in the boonies - we're not sophisticated enough for it. However an new digital radio transmitter just got erected in the vicinity.

Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 19 March 2004 11:48 (twenty years ago) link

Go for it, Big Dave!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Friday, 19 March 2004 12:01 (twenty years ago) link

Can you definitely not get Freeview? That website postcode database plays it very safe (I think in reaction to OnDigital's original coverage claims causing too many arguments from the other direction). It told me I wasn't in a suitable area, despite being in the centre of Glasgow. But it works fine.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 19 March 2004 12:06 (twenty years ago) link

Ooh, ooh, can someone answer my Freeview Query:

Does it work with an indoor aerial????? Quite a good one; my general reception is fine. Shop assistants say tthey're not at liberty to comment.

Strachey, Friday, 19 March 2004 12:14 (twenty years ago) link

Depends on the area. If you can get good normal telly, you should be fine, although you may not be able to get some channels. WItha n otudoor aerial, I can't get BBC 1 or 2 on digital, despite it being fine on normal.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Friday, 19 March 2004 12:17 (twenty years ago) link

Weirdness. Probably easier if I just move somewhere with an outdoor aerial.

Strachey, Friday, 19 March 2004 12:19 (twenty years ago) link

Mine is connected up to a coathanger, so yes - but depends where you are.

Pete (Pete), Friday, 19 March 2004 12:35 (twenty years ago) link

Most places will let you take it back if you don't get any joy - 16 days at Argos, I think 14 at Dixons.

That looks really nice, Dave. You're such a top-ender.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 19 March 2004 13:28 (twenty years ago) link

Remember what car I drive, Peter! My son & his mates roll around laughing at it.

Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 19 March 2004 13:49 (twenty years ago) link

When I read PJ's last post I started singing to myself "top-endah! top-endAH! Go out! Have a good time!" in the style of that goon out of Flowered Up, and now it won't stop going round my head.

:(

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 19 March 2004 13:53 (twenty years ago) link

That's because they drive tanks, Dave. I like your car and on more than one occasion I have remarked on how sensible you are (car-wise). And I don't mean just mumbling to myself.

Jerry, your predicament reminds me of a particularly harrowing part of the film 'Touching the Void'. I won't give it away, but if you've seen it you'll know what I mean.

Hitachi AX68D micro system to replace ageing ghetto blaster C/D? I don't think it's got digital 'out' though.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 19 March 2004 14:10 (twenty years ago) link

You and your digital 'out'.

N. (nickdastoor), Friday, 19 March 2004 14:32 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, me and my digital 'out'. I went to the shop and asked if it had a digital 'out'. It hasn't. Heavy bummer. The chap helpfully pointed out that it has got an analogue 'out' though.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Friday, 19 March 2004 16:27 (twenty years ago) link

N., as a minidisc owner you should know how essential a digital 'out' is.

The DAB500 has both Optical SPDIF & Phono SPDIF outputs. I would be even more impressed if I knew what SPDIF meant.

Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 19 March 2004 17:39 (twenty years ago) link

Sony-Philips Digital Interface Format

Ed (dali), Friday, 19 March 2004 18:00 (twenty years ago) link

Thank you, Ed

Mooro (Mooro), Friday, 19 March 2004 19:26 (twenty years ago) link

DAB500 all set up now. All those stations I have never been able to hear before ... & quite a few of which I never will again :)

Signal error = 0 on all stations even with only the little plastic indoor aerial.

So, very nice to have no more crackle/distortion/having to listen to R1 in mono, etc. And I if I moved my bed downstairs I could wake up with Jerry to Radio 6. Nice.

The only whiff of piss on my chips resulted from Mike's bitrate comment. I get


BBC R1/2/4/6/1xtra/local radio @ 128 kbps
Virgin/Classic

Mooro (Mooro), Saturday, 20 March 2004 12:38 (twenty years ago) link

(Sorry - must learn not to tab in the answer window)

I get:

BBC World Service @ 64 kbps
BBC 5 live/7 @ 80 kbps
BBC R1/2/4/6/1xtra/local radio @ 128 kbps
Virgin/Classic @ 160 kbps

& good to see the class system in full working order with R3 toffs getting 192 kbps

Mooro (Mooro), Saturday, 20 March 2004 12:41 (twenty years ago) link

I'll have you know I have a very strict regime of waking up with John Humphries on R4.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Saturday, 20 March 2004 12:42 (twenty years ago) link

John Humphrys! Sorry, Jerry - it's another of my recent wake-up-in-a-cold-sweat proofing nightmares.

I thought they'd downgraded R3 on DAB to 128/160 to fit in more progs with people shouting, but it's good to see it's still 192. (This is MPEG1 Layer 2, btw - so not as good as 192k in MP3). R7 is stereo on Freeview too and Five Live is in Dolby 5.1 with Alan Green four rows behind you in the Kemlyn Road stand and Jim Beglin entirely through the subwoofer channel. OK, maybe not.

I've been drinking a lot of vinegar lately, Mooro.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Saturday, 20 March 2004 13:05 (twenty years ago) link

I am now a cross poster & will chat up the local electrical stores to see if Freeview is really an absolute no-no round here.

Mooro (Mooro), Saturday, 20 March 2004 13:15 (twenty years ago) link

Apparently I am only 'fairly likely' to get BBC digital radio stations (or multiplexes, as I beleive they're now called). I am 'very likely' to get something called Gaydar though. I'm going to sulk now.

My congratulations to Mooro. I went and had a look at them in Richer Sounds.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 20 March 2004 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

Is taping from the radio onto a minidisk a big factor for people? I have to say, that was last on my list when buying my digital radio.

Johnney B (Johnney B), Saturday, 20 March 2004 18:57 (twenty years ago) link

Anyone with a PC can go for the Psion Wavefinder, USB DAB radio. Listen on the PC and grab the MPEG stream as it takes your fancy.

Ed (dali), Saturday, 20 March 2004 20:50 (twenty years ago) link

not mac compatible unfortunately

Ed (dali), Saturday, 20 March 2004 20:51 (twenty years ago) link

Taping from the radio is what it was all about for me :)

One of these is calling me now:

http://www.richersounds.com/imagprod/large/301680.jpg

Mooro (Mooro), Saturday, 20 March 2004 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

It looks like a cooker hood!

N. (nickdastoor), Saturday, 20 March 2004 21:07 (twenty years ago) link

No, its an i level grill

Mooro (Mooro), Saturday, 20 March 2004 21:13 (twenty years ago) link

Taping to minidisc is a big issue because I read about Bobby Gillespie's 'virtual festival' featuring a 1972 Rolling Stones concert recording. It was probably shit anyway. Also I wanted to recreate that taping the charts vibe. I've gone right off digital radio, what's wrong with normal radio, that's what I want to know.

Mooro, if you stuck one of those on the front of your car you'd look like Knight Rider. That would wipe the smirk off those little whippersnappers' faces.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Saturday, 20 March 2004 22:14 (twenty years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Have my prayers been answered?

Acoustic Solutions Portal 1 DAB digital radio with carrying handle
DAB Band III reception
designed by IDEO London
Simple operation; easy alphanumeric tuning
built-in speaker; headphone socket; integral aerial
line out socket for connection to external amplifier or recording equipment
mains/battery powered, using supplied adaptor or 6 "C" batteries
scrolling display giving service information text, etc.

And it's cute enough to be featured in this month's 'Creative Review' mag:

http://www.radio-now.co.uk/acoustic_solutions_portal1sm.jpg

Only £69 from Argos. Sorted!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 13:15 (twenty years ago) link

I say - no digital 'out'?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 13:35 (twenty years ago) link

I got the original Nipper's Choice Pure Evoke 1 as pictured above. It cost 79 pounds from John Lewis or House of Fraser (is there a difference?) and I'm very pleased with it despite the lack of digital 'out'.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 14:35 (twenty years ago) link

For digital out you need the Tempus 1

Mooro (Mooro), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 15:01 (twenty years ago) link

'One of the most exciting and challenging opportunities within retail is being part of a team opening a new HMV store. Following training in one of our existing stores, the new store team will move in and start setting up. On opening day all eyes are on the store as special guests, including celebrities, open the store - you'll even get to meet Nipper the dog!'

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:46 (twenty years ago) link

My friend used to work for HMV. He said it was crap and I don't recall him ever mentioning meeting Nipper the dog.

That website says the Tempus 1 has not only a digital 'out', but also 'an innate sense of timing'. That's quite special. As are the selected reviews:


This would be a fine bedside choice.
Gramophone, January 2004

A truly impressive package and well worth the asking price.
International Smarthouse, January 2004

Well sorted and rather clever; definite bedside appeal.
What Hi-Fi?, January 2004

There aren't many better things to wake you up in the morning.
Boys Toys, January 2004

Although I suspect that in all this confusion they have actually been reviewing Jerry the Nipper.

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:57 (twenty years ago) link

Incidentally, 'International Smarthouse'?

N. (nickdastoor), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 16:59 (twenty years ago) link

You only get to meet Nipper the Dog if you're one of the lucky members of staff opening up a new shop.

I am thinking of applying for the job of World, Jazz and Folk in-store expert. Hopefully I will think about it for so long it will be gone.

There's another Evoke one that costs 399 pounds or something and looks really rather special. Couldn't see it on that website. A bit like a wurlitzer jukebox or a wooden car radiator.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:04 (twenty years ago) link

xpost.

That is the nicest thing you have ever said about me, N.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:09 (twenty years ago) link

International Smarthouse mag, meanwhile, looks like the journal I have been waiting for to help me deck out my space age batchelor pad.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:11 (twenty years ago) link

Whoops, here's the link http://www.smart-house.net/3_4_03/index.html

Bang go my space age batchelor credentials.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:11 (twenty years ago) link

whilst listening to

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000006AZE.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg


Mooro (Mooro), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:14 (twenty years ago) link

"editor of this fine organ" by gum, they're on about Jerry too!

Mooro (Mooro), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 17:16 (twenty years ago) link

International Smarthouse? Slightly adjusted pronounciation required.

Innate sense of timing? Meaning it's got a clock in it as well as on it (I should flaming well 'ope so - digital, innit?)

Bang go my space age batchelor credentials.

Do not drape over (beige, elliptical) storage heater!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Tuesday, 6 April 2004 20:02 (twenty years ago) link

i listen to radio from (bbc/lbc etc) websites.

are DAB radios able to access stuff that you would get online, like last weeks show of such and such DJ for example?

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 7 September 2007 15:20 (sixteen years ago) link

No. There are some expensive ones that let you tune into internet streamed radio though.

Alba, Friday, 7 September 2007 15:22 (sixteen years ago) link

no, they're just radios; they receive signals over the airwaves, but the signals are digital - it's basically freeview, but on the radio

xpost

Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 September 2007 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

i see.

im going to get this one -
http://www.ciao.co.uk/Panasonic_RFD3__6491694

its cheap on ebay.

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 7 September 2007 15:23 (sixteen years ago) link

for anyone interested, this site might be handy -

http://www.radio-now.co.uk

as well as the panasonic, they recommend this one (which i did consider but it looks really cheap) - http://www.radio-now.co.uk/pure_one_dab_radio_review.htm

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 7 September 2007 15:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Streaming radio doesn't have anything to do with DAB, Titchy. I just tried Late Junction on R3's Listen Again facility and it was running at about 90k - sounded fairly terrible. I think R3 DAB still broadcasts at 192k MP2 (not fantastic but better than online).

Michael Jones, Friday, 7 September 2007 15:41 (sixteen years ago) link

the pure DABs are nicely made and feel very solid. i have one.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 September 2007 15:42 (sixteen years ago) link

woops not that one, though. i have this one, which looks like it's available at half price from morgan's - http://www.morgancomputers.co.uk/shop/detail.asp?ProductID=3691&CategoryID=201&SubCategoryID=215&adnetwork=af

Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 September 2007 15:48 (sixteen years ago) link

This is the kind of expensive box that can play streamed radio. Didn't realise it can also do Listen Again stuff.

Alba, Friday, 7 September 2007 15:52 (sixteen years ago) link

what i worry about with things like that is that as streams change, and tech changes, this thing will be left behind. with something like a radio i like to at least pretend to myself that it's possibly a purchase for life.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 7 September 2007 15:56 (sixteen years ago) link

> Streaming radio doesn't have anything to do with DAB, Titchy.

otm

> I just tried Late Junction on R3's Listen Again facility and it was running at about 90k - sounded fairly terrible.

luxury. the other bbc streams, radio1 and 2 certainly, are roughly 32kbps. but these are realaudio 10 (aac with sbr? ps? dunno) and so are several times better that mp3.

that said, it's fine, i listen to it all day and it doesn't bother me.

koogs, Friday, 7 September 2007 16:02 (sixteen years ago) link

this can record shows too but its about 90.00-100.00 -
http://www.radio-now.co.uk/evoke_3.htm

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 7 September 2007 16:03 (sixteen years ago) link

one thing i dont like too much about the pure radios made from wood is that theyre trying to look like old traditional radios. i much prefer that 100% plastic look when it comes to DABs.

titchyschneiderMk2, Friday, 7 September 2007 16:07 (sixteen years ago) link

plus they are mono. so 1960s.

koogs, Friday, 7 September 2007 16:13 (sixteen years ago) link

what i worry about with things like that is that as streams change, and tech changes, this thing will be left behind. with something like a radio i like to at least pretend to myself that it's possibly a purchase for life.

Yeah, me too, but remember some things can get firmware updates. Not sure if that applies to the AE box.

Alba, Friday, 7 September 2007 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link


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