Taking sides : Zeppelin or Sabbath

And why isn't anybody acknowledging that Sab's Steakhouse went under several different managment teams?

I only have Paranoid. It's good in its way but I dunno. All these reasons people give against Zeppelin - the acoustic tracks, the voice, 'hippie wank' - are a big part of why I'd give it to them. (I actually don't know that Ozzy's voice added all that much while Plant was great. And the lyrics suck.) Layered studio guitar pop = greatest music ever anyway. If it was just "Dancing Days" vs all the Sabbath I've listened to, I think I'd still hand it to Zeppelin. The versatility thing goes a long way. And influencing "More Than a Feeling" honestly means more to me than influencing every thrash and death metal band ever.

Though I wonder if Purple would actually deserve this if I knew them better. They were probably the best musicians of the bunch.

(LZ's faults: their jams sucked, the first two albums are stupidly sloppy, the third and PG are hit-and-miss, Houses actually feels bloated and excessive and campy and all the things prog is supposed to be, I couldn't be bothered with Presence beyond "Achilles' Last Stand", the chest-thumping machismo and misogyny esp in earlier stuff which is probably better anyway can get in the way if I'm not in the mood, why did it seem logical to mix boozy blues-rock with medieval prog tracks?, now that I've seen a LOTR movie some of those songs seem a little less mysterious and evil.)

"Changes" is not "War Pigs" is not most of the second side of Sabotage -- the underrating of early Sabbath's versatility is getting frustrating here.

Don't forget Technical Ecstacy.

Most of Sab's diverse moments I've heard were either rather trivial, extremely short or straight out sucked. Led on the other hand...

Kashmir vs. Supertzar.

Let's just put it that way.

and i'm beginning to reconsider my vote fer sabbath b/c THEY DID NOT HAVE THE FUNK ... while zeppelin DID.

i still think that mistah sinkah said it best ... "led zep = layered stuido-pop written played by bubblegum session musicians, sung by a hobbit muthafucka; sabbath = rewrite of laws of music hurrah (with silliness thinly smeared on top to confuse fools)."

I don't know. Sabbath actually sound more like early Funkadelic to me than Zep does. "Super Stupid" could almost be a Sabbath song.

I think the Funkadelic comparision is a particularly good one, myself.

Listen to "Supernaut" again.

Misty Mountain Hop
Dancing Days
Custard Pie
Candy Store Rock
Royal Orleans
Out on the Tiles
Houses of the Holy
Hots On For Nowhere
...

fuck, ALL of it. that's why they were the best.

Tad's right that they're pretty different. Esp post-II, Zep aren't even really 'heavy' at all, more like blues- and folk-rock with a serious avant/improv/sometimes-proggish bent, this wacked-out funky fusion act. I think I mentioned before that I sometimes think you can hear more of them today in stuff that's associated with jazz (and maybe in pop-rock!) than in heavy rock.

Why do people seem to complain so much more about their LOTR- or mythology-based lyrics (which I prefer to the LOTR movies) than their overtly misogynist songs? Does the latter just seem obvious?

A couple obvious examples: "Dazed and Confused" ("soul of a woman was created below"), "Whole Lotta Love" ("I'm gonna send you back to schoolin'"), "Black Dog" ("I don't know but I been told a big-legged woman ain't got no soul"). I love all these songs but if anything, these seem more problematic than the LOTR-ish lyrics, which I kind of like.

(Actually, that's another issue unto itself that you raise)

WHO REALLY SAID THAT JIMMI WAS TONY'S DADDY.
IF YOU REALLY LISTEN TO JIMMIS SOLOS ARE PRETTY DIRTY AND JIMMI HAD TO USED TO GUITARS TO SOUND LIKE ONE THATS WHAT COULD I SAY GREAT. WHIILE
TONY DID NOT HAD FINGER TIPS AND ONLY USE ONE GUITAR TO SOUND LIKE
TWO OKAY. yOU SHOULD LISTEN A LITTLE BIT MORE SOME SABBATH SO YOU COULD GET A BETTER OPINION i KNOW YOU GUYS LIKE ZEPPELIN BUT YOU GOTA OPEN YOUR MIND AND LISTEN TO MORE MUSIC.
LISTEN TO

PARANOID,WARPIGS,FAIRY WERA BOOTS,RAT SALAD,NIB,IRON MAN,SWEATLEAF,
SNOWBLIND,SUPERNAT,THE WIZARD,SABBATH BLOODY SABBATH I COULD JUST KEEP ON GOING DONT BE IGNORENT AND LISTEN TO ONE EXPLORE DIFFERENT TYPE OF MUSIC THERE'S MORE BANDS THAT PEOPLE DONT MENTION.
BLACK SABBATH WAS ACTUALLY CONSIDER LIKE UNDER GROUND BAND NO GONE WANTED TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO PLAY IN THEIR STAGE AND THEY STILL MADE IT WHILE LED ZAPPELIN ALL THE OPUTUNITIES BUT IF IT WASNT FOR THAT ZAPPELIN WAS NOTHING COMPARE TO SABBATH
I COULD TALK SHIT ABOUT LED ZAPPELIN THAT AINT GANA GET NO WERE...........

-- mark s (mar...), November 25th, 2001.

I think this might actually be the greatest single sentence review on ILX.

Without warning
A wizard walks by

Is it normal for there to be a warning when a wizard walks by? Perhaps someone comes along ringing a bell and shouts, 'He ye! Hear ye! A wizard will soon be walking by!' But in this case, it didn't happen: there was no warning. The wizard just walked by and took everyone by surprise.

"heavy boots of lead
fills his victims full of dread
running as fast as they can
iron man lives again!"

-- which are either the SILLIEST lyrics evah AND/OR the GREATEST lyrics evah!

Well, maybe he was a crafty wizard, UNBELIEVER.

wait is jimbeaux a much more personable bill magill

. . .

that's cool

calstars just fyi you are being an asshole again

Bill would never ever take Sabbath over Zep

ah shit.

I meant the exactly opposite

Lol sorry 🤔😆

Still curious if halfway has -any experience playing music

I do, even in bands, and I don't understand this insistence that musicians stay in their lane. Like Don Henley is a mediocre drummer who also sings and writes, but the singing and writing doesn't make him a worse drummer than he already is.
I may also be influenced by Martin Popoff's reviews of Bill Ward's solo records (which I haven't heard) to the effect that he is only member of Sabbath still guided by his muse and pushing his artistic frontiers, etc.

But taking a new approach to the thread question:

Funniest Zeppelin tune: "The Crunge"
Funniest Sabbath tune: "Blow On a Jug"

OK, Sabbath wins hands down.

Bill Magill is an OK name.

Don't get me wrong, I love both bands. But, gun to my head, I'll take Zeppelin.

My musician son and I have an ongoing debate: Tony Iommi vs. Dimebag Darrell. I"m on Team Iommi.

Right because drummers are supposed to write songs

Neil Peart to thread

I definitely don't think the Dio albums (aka Geezer and the Italians per Oz) are crap.

I remember buying Heaven and Hell when it came out. I was very pleasantly surprised. It still holds up OK. Mob Rules is forgettable other than the title track. The rest . . . meh. 13 was surprisingly good, if only because it sounds like a Sabbath album, albeit a very tired one.

To his credit, Dio, unlike, say, Sammy Hagar, did not try to overshadow or denigrate his predecessor. He seemed like a solid dude and a really good singer. I saw him with his own band once at the state fairgrounds and it was a decent show. At least they didn't open for a puppet show.

Great Sabbath albums:

s/t
Paranoid
Master of Reality
Vol. 4
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Sabotage
Heaven and Hell
Mob Rules
The Devil You Know

Great Led Zeppelin albums:
II
IV
Disc 1 of Physical Graffiti

Good lord

yeah gun to my head it’s prob Zep, even if I kind of overdid it with them in hs & college