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That looks like fun, a mini-cleaver! It's true, I like my Henckel 6" chef's knife. Now, I want just a leeetle bigger kitchen, to put a chopping block in.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 20:48 (fourteen years ago) link

Actually, get an usuba if you can, not the nakiri I linked to! I thought the difference between them was just about weight, but apparently an usuba has a one-sided bevel and a nakiri has a symmetrical bevel. The words seem to be tossed around somewhat interchangeably, but the asymmetrical edge feels much sharper than Western knives, so look for that.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 21:36 (fourteen years ago) link

These handmade Japanese kitchen knives look pretty great. And very competitively priced -- the nakiri is only $50!? I better close the computer before I talk myself into buying any more knives.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 21:49 (fourteen years ago) link

LSO take your brand-new knife to a good sharpening service before bringing it home and using it.

This might be a stupid question, but where would would I find a place like this?

Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 21:52 (fourteen years ago) link

Yellow Pages maybe, or ask around among friendly kitchen shoppes and restaurants? There are some mail-order sharpening services too, I believe. here's a little list and here's another.

I picture you in Michigan, but is that a true recollection or just a subconscious inference from your Michigany attitude?

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 13 December 2005 22:08 (fourteen years ago) link

Thanks. I am in Michigan. I was wondering because I ended up with a friend's Global knife and it needs sharpening. Every time I've tried using a whetstone it seems like I've made knifes duller so I didn't want to try doing it myself.

Lars and Jagger (Ex Leon), Wednesday, 14 December 2005 17:13 (fourteen years ago) link

My local cooking utensil shop offers a sharpening service, somewhere like that maybe.

Matt (Matt), Thursday, 15 December 2005 11:10 (fourteen years ago) link

one month passes...
i think thiswebsite is not very good it is downright apawling.

martin andrew, Monday, 6 February 2006 16:43 (fourteen years ago) link

your speling, otoh, is maggniffissent

Matt (Matt), Monday, 6 February 2006 16:52 (fourteen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
I just took delivery of one Sani-Tuff cutting board, mentioned upthread. It's truly a hideous color, and not at all bouncy though made of rubber. It weighs a serious amount, and will do serious damage if dropped. The place I ordered it from (somewhere in NYC) 1) took forever to ship it 2) transposed the numbers in my street address 3) refused to acknowledge that they screwed up, blaming UPS. But, it's here now. Time to go chop something up.

Jaq (Jaq), Friday, 24 February 2006 23:14 (fourteen years ago) link

Nice, congratulations! Did you get the huge thick chopping block? Or which one? How do you like it, besides the beigeness?

And what's the name of the place? They're all within a couple of blocks here -- I can go round and demand an apology for the mixup on your behalf.

Paul Eater (eater), Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:16 (fourteen years ago) link

Time to go chop something up.

pixel farmer (Rock Hardy), Saturday, 25 February 2006 00:39 (fourteen years ago) link

It's like 3/4" thick and 18"x24". I love it, compared to the poly boards especially. It feels right, under the blade, really controlled - does that make sense? I rendered about 6 lbs of pork fat today, so lots of chopping of frozen slippery stuff.

The place is, but that's okay - I'm happy now it's here.

Did you get to try out that knife sharpening thing? I'm still debating if I want to get that into it, or just continue to pay the pros.

Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 25 February 2006 01:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Oh yes, the knife sharpener. It's on my desk, and I've played with it a bit, but not as much as I need to before providing a full report. The instructional DVD that comes with it shows the company's founder sharpening a penknife, then using it to cut a flat 8.5x11" piece of typing paper the thin way, into two thinner 8.5x11" sheets. I haven't gotten that far yet but I've gotten some knives I thought I'd never use again to arm-shaving sharpness.

You have to think a bit about angles and bevels when you use it, and take into consideration the bevel your knife already has, and it definitely takes an hour's commitment on a dull knife, but the instructions are helpful. It seems like using it without making the initial effort to understand the why of what you're doing might be frustrating or unsatisfying, but if you do that, home sharpening does seem to give a lot of control beyond what taking a knife to a sharpening service offers.

Paul Eater (eater), Sunday, 26 February 2006 05:05 (fourteen years ago) link

(I worry though that too much of this board is me linking to products and you buying them! Still, I'm glad you're happy so far. I could have used a sturdier grippier board for this morning's debonings.)

Paul Eater (eater), Sunday, 26 February 2006 05:12 (fourteen years ago) link

Hahahah! I've only bought the Skyline chili and the cutting board :) That food-shooter is under consideration though. Well, and also the japanese knives - they are on my wishlist, so someone else can buy them for me.

I don't think I want to get that technical with the knives. But I would like to see the video of the guy slicing paper the thin way!

Jaq (Jaq), Sunday, 26 February 2006 05:38 (fourteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
I just got one of these. Short, orange, and endorsed by Rachael Ray, although mercifully her name is nowhere on it. It's too short to mince with, and too fat for fine work, so I use it like a sort of mini-cleaver that happens to rock a little. The soft rubber handle is comfortable to hold. It's especially good for taking apart meat.

Paul Eater (eater), Wednesday, 4 October 2006 19:56 (thirteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Paul Eater, I love the giant sani-tuff board I got so much, I bought two more little ones the other day. Got free shipping on them via Google, somehow. All the poly boards I bought 6 months after I got that first Sani-tuff are all warped and scratched and needing to be pitched out. They're heavy as all get out, but damn! Last forever, can be sanded down, don't warp, and treat the knife blades well.

Jaq, Tuesday, 1 May 2007 23:54 (thirteen years ago) link

I'm glad!

eater, Wednesday, 2 May 2007 20:57 (thirteen years ago) link

one year passes...

I've decided to take the plunge and start sharpening my knives myself. I just ordered this system + special c-clamp - the reviews make it sound straightforward to use and that it gives a good edge.

Jaq, Wednesday, 4 June 2008 16:45 (eleven years ago) link

Today, my knives are SHARP!

Jaq, Friday, 6 June 2008 20:33 (eleven years ago) link

Nothing like a sharp knife. My steel and sharpener are perpetually at work so my home knives are in a terrible state. I am a poor show.

Matt, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 20:15 (eleven years ago) link

Just like the poor cobbler's kids never having any shoes :) Now that all mine are sharp, I'm starting to solicit them from family and friends, so I'm not tempted to just keep sharpening my own into nothing. Next you know, I'll have a stand set up down on the sidewalk, like my shoeshine guys.

Jaq, Wednesday, 11 June 2008 21:04 (eleven years ago) link

i need to learn how to sharpen. we've got a water sharpener and a crazy expensive, apparently difficult to use japanese sharpening system, neither of which i can use. i'm taking a knife skills class in a couple of weeks, and i hope this is covered!

lauren, Thursday, 12 June 2008 14:38 (eleven years ago) link

I'd be surprised if it wasn't. In fact I'd be bloody outraged.

Matt, Thursday, 12 June 2008 20:50 (eleven years ago) link

i assure you that i'll cause a scene if it's not!

lauren, Friday, 13 June 2008 01:03 (eleven years ago) link

six months pass...

I'm coveting knives. I have one great knife and it's great. I love you so much, Only Good Knife I Own.

Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Thursday, 1 January 2009 23:34 (eleven years ago) link

Happiness is not having what you want, it's wanting what you have.

Plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 1 January 2009 23:39 (eleven years ago) link

lauren how did the knife skills class go? i really need to learn how to sharpen, too.

Tracer Hand, Friday, 2 January 2009 12:45 (eleven years ago) link

I gave up trying to sharpen the old-school way--broke down and bought a chef's choice dealie. It's pretty awesome, but not as awesome as sharpening on a stone like a true knife badass.

quincie, Friday, 2 January 2009 16:40 (eleven years ago) link

My dad stood around in the kitchen sharpening knives bcz he loved his wetstone so much. It was his dad's, though, so he wouldn't let us touch it, ever.

Abbott of the Trapezoid Monks (Abbott), Saturday, 10 January 2009 23:09 (eleven years ago) link

three years pass... has a really good deal on a knife dock today. I've been wanting one of these for awhile - a better way to corral the steak knives in the cutlery drawer as we don't have quite enough counter space for knife blocks.

Jaq, Sunday, 4 March 2012 19:08 (eight years ago) link

Magnetic knife holder on a spare bit of wall space was one of my best investments.

Steamtable Willie (WmC), Sunday, 4 March 2012 19:45 (eight years ago) link

If we are ever in a permanent space...

Jaq, Sunday, 4 March 2012 20:04 (eight years ago) link

I've been thinking - even if I did have the wall space, I don't think I'd stick a dozen steak knives up on a magnetic strip. Chef knife, slicing knife, cleaver - yes. Do you keep your paring knife on it?

Jaq, Sunday, 4 March 2012 21:03 (eight years ago) link

Yeah -- serrated bread knife, 3 chefs knives, 3 paring knives, no steak knives. I need a cleaver.

Steamtable Willie (WmC), Sunday, 4 March 2012 21:25 (eight years ago) link

Jaq, you can get those magnetic holders with magnets on BOTH sides, they're just hard to find!! I have the wall screw-in kind now but I did find a link from the manufacturer at one point and emailed them asking why I couldn't find the double magnet ones--which affix v solidly to the side of a fridge, for instance. I think iirc they emailed me back and offered to take my order and then I never did anything about it.

drawn to them like a moth toward a spanakopita (Laurel), Sunday, 4 March 2012 21:38 (eight years ago) link

I sort of love that the official description of this cleaver on Amazon includes "great for Halloween haunted houses".

Jaq, Sunday, 4 March 2012 21:41 (eight years ago) link

Laurel, that sounds like a good idea - in our current kitchen though, I do all the knife work at a freestanding central butcher block. If we ever move again, etc etc.

Jaq, Sunday, 4 March 2012 21:45 (eight years ago) link

two months pass...

Hungry4Ass, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 13:50 (eight years ago) link has a great deal on an 8" cleaver right now, $25+$5 shipping

Jaq, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:27 (eight years ago) link

It's a woot-off though, so probably only there for 10 minutes.

Jaq, Tuesday, 22 May 2012 19:27 (eight years ago) link

six years pass...

knifebrag: i've only ever owned a single truly awesome knife in my life. a friend from school had a buddy that won the show forged and fired. this is the first kitchen knife he ever made and it was more or less to my specs. i got to watch him finish it, even after all the forging it was a pretty insane process that took a lot of skill and precision. think it's 7.5". the handle is made from Australian snakewood fwiw that has some beautiful detail.

lâche pas la patate (outdoor_miner), Friday, 13 July 2018 04:06 (one year ago) link

That looks beautiful. I really need a new knife. Going back to read this thread. I thought I wanted a Shun but I dunno now.

Yerac, Friday, 13 July 2018 07:52 (one year ago) link

We bought knives from Kamata in Kappabashi last summer. It's the first time we've had excellent knives & it's been terrific.

droit au butt (Euler), Friday, 13 July 2018 13:26 (one year ago) link

I am eyeing the sani-tuff cutting board talked about above. The price is giving me pause but I don't really ever buy cutting boards for the amount that I cook.

Yerac, Saturday, 21 July 2018 20:40 (one year ago) link

I will rep hard for my Sabatier carbon steel chef knife, although I think it's less the brand and more the carbon steel. I bake a lot of whole chickens, and the Sabatier makes spatchcocking really easy.

ヽ(´ー`)┌ (CompuPost), Sunday, 22 July 2018 12:30 (one year ago) link

I also have knives from Kamata, they hold a fiendish edge. I sliced the end off my thumb last time I sharpened mine on the stone rather than the steel. It healed ok, very clean cut.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 22 July 2018 15:05 (one year ago) link

I had decided on the MAC knife listed above but now it seems like because of the beveled edge the left handed person in the house won't be able to use it? Or I see that it can be sharpened into a symmetrical edge? I don't own any Japanese knives so this is all new to me.

Yerac, Sunday, 22 July 2018 16:08 (one year ago) link

i like 'burrfection,' he's got a lot of enthusiasm and his sang froid about destroying extremely nice knives is...bracing

i use a wusthof 800/2000 and it's fine, but i'd really like some proper japanese waterstones and a sink bridge

gbx, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 02:48 (one year ago) link

I was going to get something to hold the stone then realized that I could just use the sanituff board with towels and maybe a brick on top.

Yerac, Tuesday, 27 November 2018 11:50 (one year ago) link

two months pass...

I am very into sharpening knives on the whetstone now. I think I have the touch.

Yerac, Thursday, 21 February 2019 01:27 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

I did a knife sharpening class yesterday and it was somewhat revelatory. I didn’t think I was that bad at it but I got so much better at in a few hours.

Biggest revelation, which I feel dumb for not knowing about, is that your whetstone becomes less than flat very easily. We were to to bring our stones to the class we went over them with a flattener and the difference is remarkable.

I guess I should watch more sharpening stuff on YouTube or whatever.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Saturday, 15 February 2020 22:43 (three months ago) link

oh yeah, did they make you do the sharpie grid on top to see how not flat it is? I haven't flattened mine yet. I have just been trying to be good about using the entire thing.

Yerac, Saturday, 15 February 2020 23:48 (three months ago) link

my newest knife is an Enso Bunka.

Yerac, Saturday, 15 February 2020 23:55 (three months ago) link

It was a 6B pencil but the effect is much the same.

Interesting how much work it took to sharpen my 15+ year old global vs my kamata (basic stainless one). Both professionally done not so long ago but the softer global took a lot more work than the harder kamata.

I suspect I’m going to get very nerdy about this. Sharpening knives is very relaxing.

Only available till the end of today (Sunday) but this documentary about master knife sharpener, Katsunobu Sakashita is fantastic. Some next level techniques on display here and his arch shaped stone is really interesting.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 16 February 2020 01:52 (three months ago) link

oh yeah pencil not sharpie. I don't know if I find sharpening relaxing yet. The time does fly by though and I am shocked that I spend an hour on a couple of knives. I am thinking of getting a splash and go whetstone because having to soak is something that I sometimes don't want to prepare just for 1 or 2 knives. I have only been honing on cardboard and want to try something else.

Yerac, Sunday, 16 February 2020 02:14 (three months ago) link

oh wow his fingers!

Yerac, Sunday, 16 February 2020 02:50 (three months ago) link

ugh stropping on cardboard I mean, not honing.

Yerac, Sunday, 16 February 2020 03:10 (three months ago) link

It’s kangaroo leather down here or nothing.

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 16 February 2020 08:27 (three months ago) link

But yes, his fingers! I am astounded he can still hold chopsticks or do anything that isn’t sharpen knives

American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Sunday, 16 February 2020 08:28 (three months ago) link

You both will enjoy this:

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Sunday, 16 February 2020 12:21 (three months ago) link

Oh wait that’s the kimono episode even though it’s titled as the Sumurai sword episode. Very weird.

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Sunday, 16 February 2020 12:23 (three months ago) link

all i can find to view are these clips:

although i did obtain a torrent of the episode.

Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Sunday, 16 February 2020 22:32 (three months ago) link

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