the most important election of your lifetime: 2012 american general election thread

plus his hair looks like really long extruded blackheads, which i guess goes without saying

lol that is a fantastically gross image, cheers

secret actual reason is his handwriting is really sloppy and he knows how hard you guys will judge him if you find out. tax returns look like a sloppy shopping list. makes him feel so sad to think about it

"We're accused, by the way - in our party - of being the party of the rich," Romney said. "And it's an awful moniker, because that's just not true. We're the party of people who want to get rich. And we're also the party of people who want to care to help people from getting poor. We want to help the poor.
"We also want to make sure people don't have to become poor," Romney said. "And we know what it takes to keep people from becoming poor."

blessed echos of Quayle

And we're also the party of people who want to care to help people from getting poor.

lol when he tries to talk abt helping people he can barely get the words out

"we don't quite care yet, but we really want to"

"we know what it takes to keep people from becoming poor."

money?

i think money is a metaphor for status, not resources

what abt actual money

Heather C. McGhee ‏@hmcghee

Harry Reid: "17 angry old white men will wake up [in Nov] and realize they've just bought the country". Amen! Public financing now!

wow

what is actual money? like dollar bills?

"Everybody needs money! That's why they call it money!"

Iatee's strategy for Romney, somewhat facetiously:

http://www.tnr.com/blog/plank/105065/mitt-romney-crybaby-capitalist

lol when he tries to talk abt helping people he can barely get the words out

No one is doubting that Obama's the more skillful liar.

i was thinking this morning that obama has made an economic critique of corporations + bain-style capitalism the cornerstone of his reelection platform. even if he is lying about everything he says, having the POTUS talk about this stuff is not nothing

possible zizek-style breakdown: talking about predatory economics instead of doing something about them just satisfies the urge for reform w/out committing to actual reform (regulatory + legal action) V. talking about predatory economics, even with the absence of meaningful action, still has a broad distilled effect throughout the culture + society. idk which is the right reading, but i suspect the second one is more important than it seems. it is at least a little heartening that obama feels like the country is annoyed enough with wall st that this critique will resonate.

Serious questions: what would the effect be if he were to lose?

Romney?

Obama 2012: Not Nothing

He talked about it in '08, then did essentially nothing about it, so where the fuck does that leave us? The rationalizations never end. xxp

what would the effect be if he were to lose?

Liberals finally march against Obama policies, as implemented by Romney.

what is actual money? like dollar bills?

― Mordy, Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:32 AM (49 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you know money you can use it to buy things, if youre poor and you get some youre not poor anymore

what would the effect be if he were to lose?

Liberals finally march against Obama policies, as implemented by Romney.
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius)

give Morbs the otm he deserves here haters you know it is the right thing to do even if liberals marching will have the same effect on govt as liberals not marching

what is/was occupy ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? conservatives marching ??????????????????????????

iirc they were too lazy to march, mostly sat around in tents

liberals!

Liberals will probably, for reasons of solidarity or just effectiveness, march against the non-Obama Romney policies first, and save the Obama ones until after their will has been felt on those.

liberals dont march, we prance

hoping all that liberal marching will keep death's door from closing on Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

easy solution: ruth bader ginsborg

Thought the New Yorker piece linked to above was a good round-up. I still think the first two possibilities--extremely high levels of income, more offshore accounts--aren't holding him up; they don't make him look good, but neither will they surprise anyone except those paying no attention whatsoever. The fourth is worse--a very, very low tax rate--but I think he can withstand that too, provided it's somewhere in the range that's already on record (13-15%). (Got a preview of one defense that will be used from Ed Gillespie or somebody on the weekend; he started asking the interviewer if he himself did whatever he could to minimize his taxes, then broadened that out to Obama. Not pretty, but I could see where that might neutralize the issue.) It'd linger in the background. The third, though--politically explosive investments--is my guess as to the problem, if there's indeed something there. Just looking at the medical-waste-disposal company that keeps popping up, if true, surely that would be toxic for Romney with his base. Very rough analogy: athletes who make millions in endorsement deals. Nobody complains much about the money, but they have gotten into some trouble over specific business practices of those companies.

woww http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/17/harry-reid-promises-filibuster-reform-if-dems-win-the-election

well that just got me a little more motivated

im skeptical he could get everyone to go along with but its a p amazing shift in sentiment that bodes well

what is/was occupy ????

Most 'liberals' -- I define them as ppl who vote Democrat without holding their nose -- I am acquainted with did not go to any OWS stuff, and think a la Alec Baldwin that OWS should propose legislation, join the Democrats, etc.

Even in breakout groups at OWS events I heard people saying "but of course a Republican Supreme Court would be a disaster."... I'm talking about fuck you, you fucking fuck Obama actions.

ha well isn't the summer campaign basically 'keep the internet people excited'?

xp

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fuckbye

yo when even OWS breakout groups are talking about how a repub supreme court would be worse maybe that's a sign that it's true?

The expression is fuckitybye

no it's a sign we're all fucked, and some grayhaired Obama stan doesn't know what radicalism is.

also that is your biggest foreheadclap post of all time, Mordy

u don't want to become so principled that u start spelling your name in lowercase and join the confederation of states

you guys are doing it wrong

aw c'mon guys President Romney picking a 40 year old version of Scalia to replace Ginsberg would not matter one whit

i just think it's silly. obv it's true that a more fully republican stacked supreme court would be worse for more people in the united states than the current makeup. like self-evidently true i don't even know why you'd need a breakoff OWS group to learn that, and i don't know why once you've learnt that self-evident fact you'd instead complain that the OWS'ers aren't radical enough. u could say that it's true but it's doesn't matter bc x,y,z collapse of civilization anarchy revelation of real in moment of violent resistance etc. of course all those things would make things worse for more people too.

I think where I differ the most from Morbs is that if Romney wins, liberals aren't going to get heard by anybody but other liberals for the foreseeable future, whether they march or not. It didn't matter in '68 and it will matter less so now. If Obama is a hypocrite for talking about change and progress and not delivering, a Romney victory will mean that change isn't coming, no-one cares and the press (and hence, the national ethos) will react accordingly.

aw c'mon guys President Romney picking a 40 year old version of Scalia to replace Ginsberg would not matter one whit

― it's smdh time in America (will), Tuesday, July 17, 2012 10:20 AM (56 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how much is a 'whit'

supreme court appointments was the only reason i voted for gore over nader in 2000 ;_;

goodbye, youthful optimism

I'm not talking about repeating '68. I'm talking about things that will never happen, I gave up in 1984, why the fuck am I on these threads, etc.

because you are a nihilistic political evangelist

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