i believe they both relate to CRUSHING DISSENT
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:26 (eleven years ago) link
you forgot "except for THE FACT THAT" etc
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
xxp i was mostly talking to tombot
i think the two sentiments have a similar "what's with your high standards why do you think this is a problem" foundation
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:27 (eleven years ago) link
plus yes as others have pointed out the little call of duty muppets sitting in their comfy chairs remotely bug-splatting brown people is probably even worse for the soul than everything else we do
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
i think you can simultaneously appreciate that we live in one of the most civilized peaceful times in history (cf Pinker's recent book) and think that we should protest the things that are still wrong + immoral. that's why the sentiments are unrelated.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
lol Morbz doesn't have high standards he has some sort hysterical hyperbole disorder
xp
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
where i fall out w/ ilx leftism completely is that i suspect some of those wrong + immoral things have a causal relationship w/ the 'most civilized peaceful time in history' part.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:30 (eleven years ago) link
but no need to yell at me about it. i already know what [collective] u think about it.
naw dude this is how MEN beef
Humans, otoh, use whatever they can including crossbows, poison, nuclear bombs, and iTunes.
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:31 (eleven years ago) link
The 'SHUT UP' part of the first sentiment is not unimportant, I think.
― Andrew Farrell, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
no, Mordy, I think we're aware of these Ironies of History but still think they're disgusting
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
original objection was not to morbs but to domestic progressives who need to learn some fuckin history
our times are pretty peaceful for me and i guess all the other people like me are bringing the average up higher than it's usually been but if you're lying in bed in your village in yemen listening to the lawn mowers overhead and wondering if you're a Combatant or not the distinction prolly seems pretty academic
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:32 (eleven years ago) link
I mean, the President thinks so too! If aiming a drone at a suspected terrorist and his family keeps him from killing Americans in Times Square, he doesn't think twice.
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
If you're in Yemen, you probably have a better chance of being killed by somebody other than a drone.
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:33 (eleven years ago) link
and our times might be peaceful but we're trading the slaughter of Western citizens for economic rape on a global scale.
I mean I guess I'd rather be vaporized by a drone than pay the interest rates on my apartment
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
"The most civilized peaceful time in history" might suddenly look different if toddlers in a Park Slope sandbox got turned into hamburger by erratic drones now and then. "sigh, the price of world peace, pass the macarons"
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
if they got turned into hamburger why would you need macarons?
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
Alfred, I read that as the president wanting to kill ppl in Times Square (which I can partially understand tbh) but getting it out of his system by killing random dudes in Yemen.
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:35 (eleven years ago) link
or are Park Slopers vegetarian
xpost
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
It's like everyone on ilx learned about irony from that alanis song
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
Have you ever noticed the structural similarity between hamburgers and macarons? Think about it.
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:36 (eleven years ago) link
Good thing Afghan women worry only about drones and not Taliban
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:38 (eleven years ago) link
i am aware that there are still other ways to die besides american drones
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:39 (eleven years ago) link
to my great regret
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:40 (eleven years ago) link
I can't wait for the great World Drone War of 2018, tbh
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:41 (eleven years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BYyDusJYJo
― the new dire homonomoreboobsativity (Eric H.), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:42 (eleven years ago) link
what if someone hijacks all the planes
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:43 (eleven years ago) link
LOL yes can you imagine if New York City was subjected to random, indiscriminate death from above? xxxp
― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:44 (eleven years ago) link
for the record i don't necessarily object to the use of drones and appreciate the fact that they can help reduce (civilian) casualties, i'd just like there to be some rules - for starters, no using them to kill people in countries we aren't at war with; no using them to kill american citizens. i'm more objecting to the "we've met you halfway, now let the adults handle this" thing tombot was selling.
― Mordy, Tuesday, July 17, 2012 12:28 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^basically this. it needn't be one or the other
― Al S. Burr! (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
Yep, if I didn't have access to any global information about fatalities, health, purchasing power, access to food, infant mortality rates, etc, but only access to my personal experience living in an undeveloped country that Obama sends drones to, I might feel triple-outraged instead of only normal outraged.
Also global warming is a farce cause it was really cold this winter.
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:47 (eleven years ago) link
no using them to kill people in countries we aren't at war with
this seems like a rather arbitrary distinction tbh
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:48 (eleven years ago) link
never declared war on Vietnam etc
That's a response to this obsessive move to subjective over and over, not to k3v xp zing posting ftl
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:49 (eleven years ago) link
i don't think anyone is arguing that statistics have not improved
the question was whether or not those improved statistics make you an ignorant whiner for having problems w executive robot murder
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:50 (eleven years ago) link
i feel like we could improve infant mortality rates even if drones didnt and had never existed
― max, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
LOL yes can you imagine if New York City was subjected to random, indiscriminate death from above?
#reichstagfireneverforget
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:51 (eleven years ago) link
they do if your whining equates the war crimes of the past with the war crimes of the present (cf Morbz "Worst US Murderer President Ever" etc)
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:52 (eleven years ago) link
I don't award medals in the Blood Olympics
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
look if leftism has to answer for morbz all the time then it'll go nowhere even faster than it already is
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:53 (eleven years ago) link
(<3 you morbz)
executive robot murder
When you put it this way, it sounds so sexy, though
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
also again this is not a "war crime" it is a New Rule
― a hauntingly unemployed american (difficult listening hour), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:54 (eleven years ago) link
leftism? where?
also I've never had a macaron, why the fuck do they spell it almost like macaroon?
― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
Morbz owns this clusterfuck - now is not the time to change horses midstream for a new clusterfucker in chief
― Mordy, Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
Did Morbz just go Full Lorax or . . . ?
― Marco YOLO (Phil D.), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
I don't even know what a macaron is who is the leftist now huh huh
isn't an executive robot murder what a President Romney would commit
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:55 (eleven years ago) link
Sadly, I do. I don't trust ppl who never get their hands dirty but I do want to know what the filth is thereupon and how much of it there is.
― sive gallus et mulier (Michael White), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link
no that would be if someone murdered President Romney
― the alternate vision continues his vision quest! (Shakey Mo Collier), Tuesday, 17 July 2012 16:56 (eleven years ago) link