the most important election of your lifetime: 2012 american general election thread

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circumstances change? it is well to be prepared? for what, a revolution? then parties wouldn't matter. 40% of americans suddenly turning into hardcore socialists cause of something in the water?

Nope, I'm new. I read a bunch of Phil Dellio's online criticism and found out about this site through reading it.

I like it here. There's shade, and ice drinks, and nobody is toxic stupid.

the unforeseeable, cyniatee

one day you will join tru cynics.

understanding that our democratic institutions 'basically work' makes the world a much more fucked up place. there's nobody to blame except everybody and there's no magic new name for a group of people that's gonna fix anything.

"Nu-Dogs"?

(I don't agree with all of that btw)

― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:47 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

of course not ...

<3 iatee
<3 morbz

hmm for some reason I had thought Vic was an old poster from the Fake Matador Bulletin Board

is this really true? in the teens and 20s, the big radio and newspaper chains were owned by just a few ultra wealthy men, right?

According to this small family-owned dailies dominated the newspaper industry until the 50's.

http://www.thebhc.org/publications/BEHprint/v024n1/p0022-p0026.pdf

cool, thanks for the response, AB. i wasn't sure, and that's why i was asking (while also opining (ignorantly, it seems)).

i have the unsourced idea that media empires of the sort headed by william randolph hearst and david sarnoff dominated the news industry in the early 20th century and were, as a result, able to control or at least to manage public opinion. whether or not this is true, i accept that these early pioneers weren't big players by today's standards.

Wasn't Cronkite by the late '60s extremely influential (if not actually powerful)--LBJ's "If I've lost Cronkite..." and all that?

hmm for some reason I had thought Vic was an old poster from the Fake Matador Bulletin Board

it's irresponsible to post things like this, I just spent ten minutes looking up the "fake matador bulletin board" to find out how I resemble it and got nothing. I am grievously wronged.

I wonder sometimes if you are the victim of a malicious rumour

(bursts into tears)

It's more likely a malicious boomer.

Wasn't Cronkite by the late '60s extremely influential (if not actually powerful)--LBJ's "If I've lost Cronkite..." and all that?

― clemenza,

a myth just deflated in the Brinkley bio

but he was a big New Deal lib, yes

I haven't read the book--can't see that I will, either--but according to this, it was the New Yorker reviewer who deflated the myth, not Brinkley.

http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/cronkites-vietnam-blunder-7185

I call bullshit, Vic Perry is a sock created to engage contenderizer in conversation.

who needed a sock for that? contenderizer was doing a serviceable job on his own

damn straight

vic perry try bookmarks

Cronkite's ONE noted let's-get-out Vietnam editorial said what others had been saying for years.

By all means let's discuss that hoary bullshit instead of how to vote.

I'm really not certain that anyone in this thread is putting 'how to vote' on the table. Obviously, particularly not me...

I did, but that's 2 dozen posts ago, gone and forgotten.

http://www.votespa.com/portal/server.pt/community/how_to_vote/13515

<a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/jul/18/mitt-romney-mormonism";>Interesting article in the Guardian</a>: Mormon's "have an extra chromosome" for American exceptionalism, so why won't Mitt keep his money there?

For what it's worth on the Cronkite thing: I never took the (perhaps apocryphal) LBJ quote to mean that Cronkite was early to question Vietnam. Quite the opposite--that despite lots of opposition to that point among writers/artists and on campuses, it was Cronkite's report that brought Middle America (substitute whatever term you want) along, or at least helped start that process. That's the implication of the quote. Whether Johnson actually ever said those exact words seems to be in dispute.

Next up: some friendly outsider advice for Morbius on how to vote.

Well, this should certainly help!

Ann Romney on tax returns: "We've given you people all you need to know."

“He’s a very generous person. We give 10 percent of our income to our church every year. Do you think that is the kind of person who is trying to hide things, or do things? No. He is so good about it."

We just need a mole in the Mormon church to get that number, and then multiply it by 10!

"We give 10 percent of our income to our church every year. "

ah yes. tithing to an entity that spent millions supporting prop 8 in California. how many of those millions were Mitt's?

maybe he doesn't wanna reveal his returns cuz he really only tithes eight percent, nine maybe

Skimming off the top.

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/ZN6mp2NjMhs/mqdefault.jpg

breaking: greenwald to guardian http://www.salon.com/2012/07/19/home_news/

awesome. let the english deal with him.

bill hicks of the blog era

They deserve each other.

America Mordy can't handle the truth
(I think we'll still be able to read him, like magic)

This has nothing to do with the election btw.

So my point before was that the assumption that Obama is the lesser evil between these two shits is an airy assumption.

lesser of two evils is maybe a useful expression but if you are really thinking in terms of evil you have already given up on attempting to understand anything

a crisp expression of postmodern amorality, that

hah you are such a classic conservative

OH I SEE

lol its true!

(I think we'll still be able to read him, like magic)

i visit salon everyday. i visit the guardian never when ilxors post funny/stupid guardian articles. this will be a marked decrease in the quantity of gg in my life!

im happy glenns getting a bigger platform, i dont really like reading him that much but he makes some important points and is generally a p unique voice in the bigtime blogosphere

I hope Romney pays close attention to NRO for political strategy: today's poll is running 96% yes on the question of "Does Romney Need to Take the Gloves Off?"

"thinking in terms of evil" has often cut across the political spectrum throughout history, save for death-metalists like yrself. xxxxp

Take those dressage gloves off, Romney!