the most important election of your lifetime: 2012 american general election thread

UPDATE XXV: POLITICS BEGINS TO SEEM VAGUELY TRIBAL???

(i mean i like gg fine)

hey morbius, we can be a crimefighting team! with capes and everything!

― Vic Perry, Thursday, July 19, 2012 5:27 PM (38 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol dude u new here huh

zactly. Greenwald (who I've read since 2006) seems redundant because threads like this exist.

ask vic perry thread

Morbz is strictly mad scientist

xp

I'm sure California libs or whatever need a blogger who satisfies their craving for self-cannibalization.

delicious

with a latte

Um, does somebody want to claim that the mainstream news coverage of drones has been particularly good? Or that there hasn't been plenty of excuses for why it is no big deal? Because it is not that Greenwald is the only person to write about them, it's that most of the coverage is pretty much "HOW RESTRAINED WE ARE IN OUR CURRENT KILLING PRACTICES!" See Gene Lyons and Andrew Sullivan for the partisan Democrat take. You know, Obama will probably win anyway, people don't need to defend every goddamn thing he does.

NYT drone coverage seemed decent to me but yeah it's pretty ignored. apart from when they kill someone worth talking about, news orgs totally run with those

As he torturously reminds us today, Sully isn't a Democrat

http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/07/why-obama-is-right.html

lots of people on the internet have been v critical of drones

Digby, the Balloon Juice folks, Jonathan Bernstein, Larison (maybe), just to name a few, have been plenty critical.

Not that I'm looking to have things thrown at me, but the idea that NYT drone coverage has been good is exactly the sort of thing one might question after reading Glenn Greenwald.

Anyway, I have to go. Say nice things about me in my absence.

What was the issue with drones again?

and drones have def gotten way more coverage than than the other ways we kill people, why because drones are new and creepy

^^^^^

why did I click on that Sullivan link

there have been big long articles about drones in rolling stone and esquire recently, the latter the one that keeps being like "you, mr. president, have made these choices. you... are the Lethal President."

What was the issue with drones again?

That there's a few of them in this thread?

god sullivan is such an idiot

Reagan was right in 1980. Obama is right in 2012. And there is no contradiction between those two statements.

sry alfred calling in the drones, you will be missed

angel, down we go together

the issue is not the drones as much as the LEGAL secret kill orders around them

legal as defined by our hopey changey overlords that is

thats the thing abt legality

i think we all need to take a hard look at ourselves and ask if what ilx has really been missing is a second morbz

that esquire article is horrible

heres a drone piece i just happen to have had open in my bookmarks http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/07/aclu-sues-awlaki-khan-death

suuure, that's why everyone wondered how many Bushites wd be prosecuted by Obama, which is funnier than the Phillies' season. xxxp

i guess Vic is a little more coherent...

settin' the bar low, eh

that's why everyone wondered how many Bushites wd be prosecuted by Obama

lol this was never going to happen and I said so from the outset

you know who's going to prosecute Obama admin for extra-judicial killings? President Romney.

thats prob whats in his tax returns

Never fear, I've been allotted twenty more minutes to free your minds from the ass that follows.

Um, where to start. Yes, it is appalling that anyone would think that "Reagan was right in 1980 and Obama is right in 2012." About what exactly? Communism? Islamics? WTF? I guess it doesn't matter that the US fucked Iranian democracy back in the 1950s and they might have long term problems with that. Nobody actually thinks the Soviet Union was some kind of threat to the US in the 80s at this point, right??

Only Americans are allowed to have long term problems with things. All the other countries need to get over it.

I really enjoy the notion that Glenn Greenwald should go away because a few other people have brought the same issues up. "Oh hey Bill Maher, no, you shouldn't have me on as a guest again, there's this thread on ILX where they discuss these kinds of things all the time, and have you seen Balloon Juice? You should have them on your show instead, I'm totally redundant."

I even have a problem with the idea that only the targeted killing of American citizens should be a problem, weird as that may be. No, I actually think that maybe non-American citizens should not be killed in a kind of half-assed-maybe-they-might-be-a-problem manner. I know, I'm just really strange that way, but you know, god bless america and god keep us safe from all the people who might have some weird irrational reason for not liking our country.

I really enjoy the notion that Glenn Greenwald should go away because a few other people have brought the same issues up. "Oh hey Bill Maher, no, you shouldn't have me on as a guest again, there's this thread on ILX where they discuss these kinds of things all the time, and have you seen Balloon Juice? You should have them on your show instead, I'm totally redundant."

dude no one on ILX has been asked to be on Bill Maher's show.

who do you think youre addressing here vic perry

Bill Maher should be stabbed repeatedly in the face imho

sorry I just hate that guy

Feel like Pareene mighta been asked.

I'll go on Maher if Shakey, lag∞n, and Morbs join me. I'll insist on it.

sounds like fun!

i would love to go on bill maher, thank you for inviting me alfred

Can't wait for Dr. Morb's NEW RULES

If you guys don't bring Dennis Perrin on with you, I'm not watching.

we can do shots in the green room

Perrin booked on Letterman's "Stupid Pet Tricks" iirc