Angel Haze

yeah i don't agree w/ that and i'm not necessarily sure that it's a position that requires a defense

they're very different works that aren't directly comparable but they're as "accomplished" as each other and they'll probably both end up in my top 10 of the year

wait are you talking about the new flocka album?

...no?

i forgot that existed (and therefore to listen to it more than once) amidst all of my computer woes

oh

i'm confused by "they'll probably both end up in my top 10 of the year" then

as in, flockaveli did (i think?) and reservation probably will

ok i gotta listen to this then. i checker her out before but it sounded like atomsphere idk

atmosphere over drake beats

Also, y'know, the two reviews are by different writers with different opinions and not working to some empirical scale.

the two writers are both posting in this thread! i was about to go into more detail but it prob violates something in my freelance contract so w/e its not important

It probably wouldn't be so much of an issue if people didn't habitually assume that pitchfork was in fact a single mind carefully calibrating each of its numerical scores.

Great write up Jordan! Makes me appreciate this release a bit more. Certainly New York and Werkin Girls are awesome.

"It is as good as flockaveli"

lulz

someone please tell me what song the melody at the end of 'jungle fever' is quoting/biting please?

nobody? it's killing me.

this is why caring about pfork scores is a lose lose, though; i want to see rap not suffer from deflation, but when that's corrected, it makes it look like this album is as good as flockaveli. lose-lose

― google deeznuts (D-40), Donnerstag, 26. Juli 2012 15:38 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

flockaveli is like a 9 tho

You do realise you guys are coming across like those insufferable dicks who read a Rolling Stone review of, I dunno, The-Dream and go "this means you think it's as good as Dark Side Of The Moon oh the outrage!"

^^^^

current rap criticism is largely THE WORST for assuming the existence of an objective and rigorously policed set of assumptions that determine whether an artist is any good

eg "lol @ your opinion, but we don't need to justify or explain ours because EVERYONE KNOWS IT TO BE SO"

You do realise you guys are coming across like those insufferable dicks who read a Rolling Stone review of, I dunno, The-Dream and go "this means you think it's as good as Dark Side Of The Moon oh the outrage!"

― Matt DC, Friday, July 27, 2012 10:44 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

you really think that's the case when the two authors of both reviews are actually here, posting

current rap criticism is largely THE WORST for assuming the existence of an objective and rigorously policed set of assumptions that determine whether an artist is any good

― lex pretend, Friday, July 27, 2012 10:46 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

current lex criticism is largely THE WORST for using the exact same 'u must be a rockist' argument always. i don't think anyone here is in favor of strict rigorous assumptions of artists' value.

at least i used an argument at all?

someone please tell me what song the melody at the end of 'jungle fever' is quoting/biting please?

nobody? it's killing me.

― 40oz of tears (Jordan), Friday, July 27, 2012 8:24 AM Bookmark

the Stevie Wonder song of the same title

oh wait, nm

All im gonna say about angel haze v flockaveli is that at least waka never made me listen to a Kool AD verse

oh duh, of course that's it, thx rev

"eg "lol @ your opinion, but we don't need to justify or explain ours because EVERYONE KNOWS IT TO BE SO"

― lex pretend"

well what you want me to say when you're comparing an half good mixtape from a promising rapper with a genre defining classic rap album dropped on a major label ?

lol @ the idea that the major label bit matters

ideally what i'd want you to say is WHY the mixtape is only "half good" rather than "genre defining classic" and WHY flockaveli is vice versa but i'm not hoping for that

Why should i explain things everyone knows ? I believe you're aware that a big part of today's rap music is based on the lex luger sound (and that flockavelli has some of the best representative songs of that sound).

& Why should i explain things already said before in this topic ? i think people here already explained what are the flaws of this mixtape (bad execution with deep songs & some bad productions)

i look at this way: flockaveli was waka cashing in all of his potential, reservation is not that 'moment' for angel haze. her flockaveli is in the distance.

is 'flockaveli' really the standard by which all other new rap albums are judged?

no, deej just brought it up because they got the same scores on pitchfork

as i said at that point flockaveli and reservation are so different that direct comparisons are kind of pointless, so my argument isn't so much about pitting them against each other as against the primacy of "objective" metrics among rap listeners (over eg personal response), which sisilafami again exemplified there ("influence", "execution" et al). when i say that the two are on a par, it's pretty simple - these are two of the rap albums i've jammed most and return to again and again of their respective years.

i agree w/j0rdan about flockaveli representing an artist at his peak though, and it's certainly more "important", but "important" isn't the only metric to judge music by.

...but we're talking about numerical scores bro

obsessing over numerical scores is even worse?

the primacy of "objective" metrics among rap listeners (over eg personal response), which sisilafami again exemplified there ("influence", "execution" et al). when i say that the two are on a par, it's pretty simple - these are two of the rap albums i've jammed most and return to again and again of their respective years.

then instead of pointing out things explained before, i simply should've said that i find flockavelli much much better, that i'll listen to it 10 years from now and that i don't know if i will do the same with the AH mixtape in a few months.

i have a personal bias in favor of nonchalant rappers v. superhypertechnical wizards

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01l7n8b

Angel Haze Interview(40.00)
The brilliant Angel Haze is in the studio with MistaJam! She tells us about loving Paul Epworth, Rudimental and Harry Styles!

Rudimental!

actual amazing video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y2UV5t_v9I

could do without them giving up and going into the studio at the end though lol

Rudimental!

― REV LION (The Reverend), Thursday, 2 August 2012 19:02 (52 minutes ago) Bookmark

see yeah i forgot about the booster mentality round here that would blank out everything lol about that post to focus on the one feebly spinnable thing

u guys are super weird

i really wouldnt have expected mistajam to pick up on her but it does make sense actually

the uk is pretty much d-40's nightmare zone

xp Epworth is kind of harmless I guess, hating on him is like bitching about Coldplay at this point. dunno who the other guy is.

A member of One Direction. Specifically one of the inbred toothy ones and not the hot one.

Played her first headline show in NYC, which streamed live and is archived.

She killed it, more or less. Way more stage presence than I anticipated - her youtubes were always captivating but in a bedroom art sort of way. She owns the stage, though. More convinced now than ever that this is her moment.

http://new.livestream.com/sobs/angelhaze

also, solid interview - http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2012/08/angel_haze_interview.php

apparently she was studying neuroscience before taking a break to throw her hat in the ring musically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szj7efHG-00

amazing video

so annoyed i missed her london show due to being at the tory conference >:(

She's playing Koko on Saturday.

aaaaaghhhh another clash of course

*attempts to rearrange entire life*

(how was the gig on mon?)