Rolling Metal Thread 2012

just, ugh, there are so many other places on the internet to find that kind of elitist bullshit wrt to metal, i don't really like reading it here too. kind of surprising to hear it coming from steven tyler but oh well.

jon - calm down. that is really not much of a jab after you set yourself up with the "false" thing.

I don't care because I'm not a Judd fan. I like Parker and Giannopoulos but I'd rather listen to them in other settings.

lmao steven tyler is like the biggest metal purist here!

fwiw, i'm not taking it personally, i'm just sick of reading snark fucking everywhere these days and i think that kinda was the tipping point for me tonight. i really love this thread thanks to the unironic love of pretty much everything (girly metal, whatever) but i guess this was a good reminder to not get my expectations up too high for the internet.

I'm not sure that that was so much "elitist" as it was a "joke"?

of course its a joke! but its also a really snide dismissal of someone else's tastes. but again, lesson learned, next time i'll just take my excitement about a new metal project to my own Word document.

alright guys done being emo, but i hate to see good threads devolve into neg Whiney level potshots.

I don't think he was being dismissive, dude, I think he just saw the opportunity to make a funny. I don't think it was any sort of actual judgment on you or the supergroup thing.

I remember the first Twilight record getting some love in these parts.

I could see the potential for Thurston Moore to add something in a metal context (Sonic Youth have some serious riffs in their catalog - not many, but they're there), I just worry that the other dudes will defer to him too much.

i don't think it was a judgment on me, no, but there really was no other way to read it than a judgment on the "supergroup". again, just so tired of the "this is metal, this is not" shit you can read in 1,435,025 other places on the internet, figured we were kind of past that.

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also, y'know, it kinda stings a little to get that kind of response from a poster you really like and respect.

the Twilight lineup will consist of Moore, Judd, producer Sanford Parker, Stavros Giannopoulos from the Atlas Moth, Wrest of Leviathan, and Imperial from Krieg

i ams cannot believe that skwisgaar was unavailable to participate

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aw man if i knew that i'd have totally talked d&d w/ them :-(

to my ears they also sounded like a looser bluesier helmet at times and also at times like sepultura

Paradise Lost To Release Six Album Reissues
Out August 24th On The End Records

DRACONIAN TIMES: LEGACY EDITION
- Legacy Edition includes liner notes, 7 bonus tracks plus DVD with 5.1 mix of the full album.

SHADES OF GOD
- Shades Of God begins to integrate clean melodies & quieter passages that mark the band’s transition
in sound, including “As I Die,” known as the hymn for Paradise Lost fans
- Contains liner notes plus 2 exclusive bonus tracks ICON
- Distinct stylistic change from doom to gothic metal, solidifying this subgenre in mainstream metal
- Critically acclaimed, breakthrough 4th studio album
- Contains liner notes plus 2 exclusive bonus tracks

ONE SECOND
- Cracking the German & Swedish Top 10 Charts, this album opened the band up to a brand new fan base
- Contains liner notes plus 2 exclusive bonus tracks
- Band’s first complete departure from death/doom metal in favor of gothic rock and dark synthpop

REFLECTION: BEST OF
- 1998’s “best-of” compilation, chronicling their already-impressive 6-album career
- Contains liner notes plus 3 live bonus tracks, including the iconic “As I Die”

EVOLVE: LIVE
- DVD of 2 live concert performances, 9 rare promo videos, and home videos, over 2 & a half hours
- Live performances from The Longhorn in Stuttgart, September 5th,1993 and Shepherd’s Bush Empire, London, 26th January 1998

I know I am a real oddball here, but "Shades Of God" is my favorite Paradise Lost album.

It's not too surprising if you consider that I am a sucker for transitional albums and that it came out at a time when I was just starting to listen to music critically (as in, for criticism purposes); for whatever reason, if I make a list of my favorite albums, a lot of them reside in the early to mid '90s.

I recall some people have "Icon" as a guilty pleasure though I never got into that album.

I was surprised that "Shades" has been out of print for as long as it has been.

Jon I think it would be a shame if you quit this thread. I enjoy your posts plus you're on of the few who actually checks out stuff I recommend and likes it!

Jess & The Ancient Ones album is GREAT. I ordered it today from svart. Postage is killer from Finland but the albums worth it.

I have Icon on vinyl. It's great, along with Gothic. After that, I've never had any love for Paradise Lost. Not saying they suck, just that it never reached me.

As for Twilight, here's Blake Judd in the Rolling Stone interview, lol.

"You know Century Media could offer us $100,000 to make that Twilight record and say: 'Blake, you get ninety percent of that money but Thurston Moore’s not gonna be on the record, or, you can be on it and we’ll give you 10 grand and that’s what you have to make it work.' And I would, I would take the 10 grand and work with Thurston. That’s like how much I love Sonic Youth."

stoked you love that Jess & the Ancient Ones record AG - I haven't loved a record like that in a long time

also, y'know, it kinda stings a little to get that kind of response from a poster you really like and respect.

wtf dude it's just a fuckin' joke & it's well known that I'm a cranky purist. I am the Dr. Morbius of the metal thread, it's cool, I got love for everybody & no metal thread should be without somebody scratching "if you are a false, don't entry" into his desk while muttering under his breath

Yeah I really didn't read your post as asshole-ish. Also, I would totally believe that you are starting a rap supergroup.

ok but if you believe I would do so w/Sufjan then you and I have beef

fwiw, as i apparently did a bad job of explaining last night, i didn't think it was "asshole-ish" or that it was some kind of personal attack. it was just like the typical internet thing where i get excited about something and literally the next thing i see is someone shitting on it. i'm just tired of the internet constantly breeding cynicism and negativity and i think that post just kinda bore the ire of it last night. i'm really trying to be less earnest, less positive and less excited about things and more cynical and joyless like the rest of the internet tho.

jon chill out we like you and i like your enthusiasm. (ps go nominate some stuff in the poll!)

Whoa, I didn't realize Nachtmystium guy is part of this Twilight business. I'm excited too now (even though tbh I haven't really given a shit about any SY since Nurse).

Jon - if you want enthusiasm, ask me about Rush.

J0hn - we have beef!

New Evoken cd arrived in the mail today. I pity the weaklings who don't appreciate funeral doom when it's done well.

I was feeling like my raves over Jess & the Ancient Ones were ignored back in April, so it's nice to see people digging it now. Not sure why anyone paid shipping -- Svart ships it free!

not the vinyl

Just ordered the new Evoken from Profound Lore yesterday.

I was feeling like my raves over Jess & the Ancient Ones were ignored back in April, so it's nice to see people digging it now.

Wish I'd noticed, this thread moves fast. I must have been away at the time, because I would have investigated if I'd seen your post.

re: Evoken, the second track ("Descent Into Chaotic Dream") is pretty stunning. Love me some doom.

The new Gaza is pretty damn great, too.

I was thinking of going to see Nachtmystium but just realized it was last night. My brain is broken. Any thoughts on their album?

its great

It's great. I know Adrien thinks that it's a step back, but you really need to listen to it a few times before you realize that all the stuff they were playing with on the last two albums is still there, it's just interwoven into the black metal.

jeff gets it

Alright, which one of you wrote this?

http://www.examiner.com/article/chick-fil-a-faces-nationwide-boycott-for-intolerance-of-black-metal-supergroup

what the hell is progressive *power metal* and should I listen to this?

Progressive power metal voyagers VISION DIVINE, the band founded by guitarist/songwriter Olaf Thorsen (Labyrinth) and singer Fabio Lione (known for his work in Rhapsody, Rhapsody Of Fire and most recently for having served as lead vocalist with Kamelot during their Poetry For The Poisoned tour) announce the release of their new studio album, Destination Set To Nowhere. Set to drop in North America on September 18, 2012 via Eagle Rock imprint Armoury Records, the band’s seventh full-length offers up a melting pot of epic metal anthems with a futuristic twist.

Featuring 11 tracks, the saga follows a man’s journey through outer space. He, along with other like-minded individuals, fled the earth out of social-political frustration. Together they eventually locate a new planet to inhabit where they could truly live out their visions of peace. Slowly though, they revert to the same ideologies they meant to leave behind. The only escape is to set out again, one man leaving alone: destination set to nowhere.

Comments Olaf Thorsen of the offering: “We are sure this album will finally give us the chance to show all of our potential; we worked hard on it in order to give the best possible album. In the end, we went even beyond our expectations thanks to the excitement and the good vibes we got from starting this adventure.”

VISION DIVINE:
Fabio Lione - Vocals
Olaf Thorsen - Guitars
Federico Puleri - Guitars
Alessio Lucatti – Keyboards, Piano
Andrea “Tower” Torricini - Bass
Alessandro Bissa - Drums

"Progressive power metal" is basically code for "European."

I'm a bit down on the new Nachtmystium, yeah. There are three or four really great songs on it, though, so it's not a total loss. But the last three albums were a helluvalot more interesting, that's for sure.

I'm not sure if I've noticed many of his other reviews before (I tend to head towards the J Bennett and ilxors' reviews first) but I don't think I could disagree with Chr1s D1ck more on his Conan review in the new Decibel.

Negative? That's a mighty fine doom album if you ask me.

Yeah, it was a 5 out of 10. Don't have it in front of me, but complained mostly that it was really boring and doom-by-numbers, iirc.

Alright, which one of you wrote this?

http://www.examiner.com/article/chick-fil-a-faces-nationwide-boycott-for-intolerance-of-black-metal-supergroup

I would wager that it was Prozak

I don't often agree with Chris, but I've come to enjoy his writing.

I don't think anyone will be surprised to hear that the new Grave album sounds like a Grave album. I still think their first comeback record, Back From the Grave, is the best thing they've done since returning, but none of their subsequent releases have been bad, just predictable. Which is fine. They're probably my favorite of that wave of Swedish bands - I listen to them for pleasure much more often than I listen to Entombed or Dismember.

So I just may possibly get to see Sabbath tomorrow night after all. I know, I know. Don't tell me how much they suck now, this is probably my only chance ever to see them life so I want to take it.

THEY SUCK SO HARD

lol

No, I don't know, maybe they're good again.