Indefinite Detention? But I Have Soccer Practice at 4: U.S. Politics 2012

regular Americans should know what kind of conduct could lead to them being blown up by a deadly flying robot

kind of sad that I lived to see this sentence in a news story tbh

http://www.fullmetalhero.com/attachments/34945d1341780741-transformers-movie-unicron.jpg

just wait until other countries get deadly flying robots and they engage in battle with ours! that'll be so fun for everyone!

http://www.usmagazine.com/uploads/assets/articles/45638-hugh-jackmans-real-steel-beats-george-clooneys-ides-of-march-at-box-office/1318193426_hugh-jackman-real-steel-b.jpg

some good news, sorta kinda: 20-week abortion ban fails by not getting enough of a majority to proceed to the Senate.

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/01/dont_chant_u_s_a/

It's liberal Americans' Olympic dilemma: How do they root for their countrymen without being jingoistic?

shit like this is why ppl hate liberals

yeah, bcz they watch the Olympics

The President’s lethargy on the matter of judicial nominations is inexplicable. So is his silence on the subject. George W. Bush complained loudly when he felt Democrats in the Senate had delayed or obstructed his judicial nominees. Obama has said little. Indeed, Bush had a public judicial philosophy as President, frequently calling on judges to “strictly apply the Constitution and laws, not legislate from the bench.” As a former president of the Harvard Law Review and long-time lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School, Obama has a great deal of familiarity with legal issues but hardly ever talks about them. His legal philosophy, if he has one, is unknown.

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2012/07/why-judges-matter.html

http://plainblogaboutpolitics.blogspot.com/2012/07/catch-of-day_31.html?m=0

The one culprit I'd add here, on top of the Republicans and Obama, are liberal activists and interest group leaders, who in many cases (not all!) just ignored the problem.

Does blaming liberal activists and interest group leaders on this issue make sense? Would that have made a difference during the first 2 years of the Obama administration? Would it now?

shit like this is why ppl hate liberals

― Mordy, Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:07 (6 hours ago) Permalink

yeah, bcz they watch the Olympics

― Pangborn to be Wilde (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 August 2012 14:10 (6 hours ago) Permalink

televised sports, familiar bastion of liberaldom.

confusing rooting for the home team with 'jingoism' is so fucking ridiculous

"But if they get it, they won't be allowed to show it to you."

As long as there's some kind of accountability...

It is jingoism.

jin·go·ism noun \ˈjiŋ-(ˌ)gō-ˌi-zəm\
Definition of JINGOISM
: extreme chauvinism or nationalism marked especially by a belligerent foreign policy

"marked especially" you secret republican

Plus you're gonna copy-paste the dictionary at me?

whoa guys fire up the DVR cuz Seacrest is gonna give us an update on what social media was saying about Phelps last night

u guys this fucking segment

oh no. u weren't joking and now i am watching it.

"pretty cool to get a tweet from the president"

televised sports, familiar bastion of liberaldom

most of the man-boys on here are liberals, and I'd say more than half like sports

lol, u must be anticipating the zing

they're americans. Americans love sports.

everyone loves sports tbh

Plus you're gonna copy-paste the dictionary at me?

a completely legit strategy when the meaning of words is under dispute man

everyone loves sports tbh

*AHEM*

^^^ why shakey is my bro

xxp If it meant, like, "dog" or something it would be fine. But if I and Slate dude and my friend who refuses to watch a minute of the Olympics coverage because of its jingoism think jingoism is (not necessarily exclusively) something in the ballpark of "nationalist chauvinism to an excessive degree," then throwing up a definition like that is failed pedantry. Which I expect from Kevin K. And you sometimes, too, tbh, even though you're an extremely smart, articulate guy.

That language essentialist bent of Kevin's is something he has in common with his buddy Antonin Scalia.

I don't know if rooting for an athlete ONLY bcz they're from your country is jingoistic, but it is senseless, but then so is rooting for laundry.

This whole "hallowed" thing around the Olympics is the unfathomable part. It's mostly crass showbiz.

so was the parthenon!

But if I and Slate dude and my friend who refuses to watch a minute of the Olympics coverage because of its jingoism think jingoism is (not necessarily exclusively) something in the ballpark of "nationalist chauvinism to an excessive degree," then throwing up a definition like that is failed pedantry.we are wrong.

lie down and tell us more about your 'friend', bamcquern

That language essentialist bent of Kevin's is something he has in common with his buddy Antonin Scalia.

looool

explaining to you how you're using a word wrong is not and will never be "essentialism" of any kind

thanks for playing

question*: if rooting for your country in the olympics is 'nationalist chauvinism to an excessive degree' than what are some examples of nationalist sentiment that aren't to an excessive degree?

*nb i don't really care about the answer

USA rules, bamcquern drools

then*

my one pet peeve about definition beefs is when someone cut and pastes one definition and excludes the other definitions that don't fit their argument (often from the same fucking dictionary)

my one pet peeve about definition beefs is when someone cut and pastes one definition and excludes the other definitions that don't fit their argument (often from the same fucking dictionary)

well, but...the use of a word tends to be in one of several definitions where multiple definitions exist; it's ok to quote the salient part of the definition of "level" if the argument's about architecture and not, say, video games

or layers of meaning

guys

Isn't universal 'national chauvinism' pretty much the entire point of the Olympics?

pretty much the entire point of producing American babies

Isn't universal 'national chauvinism' pretty much the entire point of the Olympics?

― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, August 2, 2012 10:18 PM (12 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

The olympics is both nationalism/pride and bringing people together in sport so they can shed the past wars/divisions for a couple weeks.

Uh that is not how it works.

also lots of athletes fucking each other

The definitions would only exclude each other if you favored "extreme" over "excessive." There was no "explaining how I'm using a word wrong." There was a dictionary definition that doesn't particularly contradict my, the Slate person's, and my "friend"'s usage, and using a dictionary for this kind of supposedly authoritative hairsplitting is classic language essentialism. What else would it be but pointing to an absolute definition of a word that absolutely excludes extremely similar definitions?

And you said "thanks for playing"? You're not self-conscious about writing glib, canned responses like that?

well, but...the use of a word tends to be in one of several definitions where multiple definitions exist; it's ok to quote the salient part of the definition of "level" if the argument's about architecture and not, say, video games

― steven fucking tyler (underrated aerosmith bootlegs I have owned), Thursday, August 2, 2012 8:00 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

oh sure but there's also nuanced definitions that apply to the same context. And you'll see someone just quote one of the 4 that apply.

bamcquern if it makes you feel better i can take the point that the olympics are what you think jingoism means

The definitions would only exclude each other if you favored "extreme" over "excessive." There was no "explaining how I'm using a word wrong." There was a dictionary definition that doesn't particularly contradict my, the Slate person's, and my "friend"'s usage, and using a dictionary for this kind of supposedly authoritative hairsplitting is classic language essentialism. What else would it be but pointing to an absolute definition of a word that absolutely excludes extremely similar definitions?

you are using the word wrong, you're never going to accept that because you feel like arguing, the idea that referring to a dictionary is "essentialism" is so stupid as to beggar belief, thanks for playing