the most important election of your lifetime: 2012 american general election thread

TROOTH MAKE GOOKBE SEEPY

wow. really pierced through the veil.

the scales have fallen

and both believe deeply in a corrupt technocratic establishment.

need to think of a term for this. what is it when something is so true as to be meaningless?

only way you can tell how important an election is is if youve got a time machine or a crystal ball or some sort of device like that, otherwise youre just trying and failing at looking deep

Harry Reid: Bain Investor Told Me That Mitt Romney ‘Didn’t Pay Any Taxes For 10 Years

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/07/the_drip_drip_drip_of_romney_tax_rumors.php

i think preventing the ryan plan from being implemented is a good enough marker of importance

tho even if you had a time machine maybe youd need an alternate reality machine too, maybe a crystal ball does both of those things

Mitt Romney implemented Obamacare in Massachusetts, or Obama implemented Romneycare nationally.

Does this dude really think that Romney would veto a repeal of healthcare?

a political analyst on Brand X with Russell Brand

what the shit

*healthcare reform

the relative importance of elections is kinda beside the point, theyre all important, each and every candidate will behave uniquely if elected, thats true for candidates of the same party in the primaries and candidates of different parties in the general

and both believe deeply in a corrupt technocratic establishment.

obama is a secret mormon too?

I saw that story about no taxes...Unless Reid knows something really solid, isn't that a really stupid thing to float out there? Not only does he look slimy, it makes anything seem that much more reasonable by comparison. ("He did pay 13%? So what was all that about not paying anything?")

nah - TPM is right. costs the Dems nothing to float rumors at this point, cuz the only way for Romney to refute rumors is to release his tax returns. Romney's in a lose-lose situation (assuming his tax returns have bad shit in them, which I'm sure they do)

I know it's futile, but I do wish the racial things (the Anglo-Saxon one and the Israeli/Palestinian one) from his trip were treated as a bigger bombshell by the media. They're more like what you'd expect from a Pat Robertson campaign.

theres no way to make 13% look good, if romney doesnt release his taxes hes gonna pay in bad press like this until election day

“He didn’t pay taxes for 10 years! Now, do I know that that’s true? Well, I’m not certain,” said Reid.

I still say psychology doesn't work that way--it's more effective to understate something, rather than wildly overstate it--but maybe they feel it's the only way to force his hand.

all team romney can do is bluster about hurt feelings if they won't release the info, and i don't see "the dems are mean!" as a real base-rallying device

clemenza youre prob vastly over weighing some tiny aspect of this thing

also increases chances of a newscaster outright asking Mitt if he paid taxes, and anything less than a denial of the charge will be rouughh

That's sort of what the guy at ABC did (I posted the clip last night), and Romney did look terrible dodging.

like maybe maybe if every democrat every day was all romney paid 0% and they made posters and ran tv ads that said romney paid 0% it might be somewhat disappointing if romney released his returns and he paid 13%, but probably not that much even then as that number exists not in a vacuum but relative to what other people pay, the main point here is that the democrats are going to give romney a hard time abt releasing his returns until he does, at which point theyll give him a hard time abt how much he paid

Win-win!

Great misspeak by Mary Matlin 10 seconds ago: "Tomb of the Unknown Shoulder." Bound to a big story.

Unless he's being stubborn on the tax returns because he did pay an average amount, and wants the dems to focus on that for the next few months instead of turning up the real skeletons.

^^^5th dimensional chess

"I...I...just didn't want to flaunt my charitable donations. But the dems, they're forcing me..."

'if mr. romney says he paid taxes, then i take him at his word'

and both believe deeply in a corrupt technocratic establishment.

need to think of a term for this. what is it when something is so true as to be meaningless?

― goole, Tuesday, July 31, 2012 6:14 PM (47 minutes ago)

trusim?

That infamous Poppy Bush "wimp" story.

only way you can tell how important an election is is if youve got a time machine or a crystal ball or some sort of device like that

Sure, even I didn't know Obama would be worse on civil liberties than W.

Mittens is not a wimp, he's a violent bully. Fully qualified.

most bullies are cowards

doesn't match the classic definiton of wimp, tho, esp smooth imperial killers like the incumbent

poppy bush was more of a ninny really

i do think being the cooler guy is important in elections tho, poppy was just lucky to run against dukakis

was Nixon cooler than Humphrey and McGovern? damn fine hairsplitting.

max should run then xp

although lag∞n you are mad cool

president milquetoast

im not saying its the only or even most important factor, or that politicians are not as a group hopelessly uncool, theres just a sense of like their relative social charisma, im trying to avoid reductive 'a-dog' talk cause theres more to it than just dominance i think, its also like who is most comfortable in their skin

although lag∞n you are mad cool

― mookieproof, Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:59 PM (7 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

*hi5* B-)

but also def dominance, thats why they like to zing each other so much, most deadly tho is when you try a zing and the other guy just laughs its off, zinging is a dangerous game

too true

totally

particularly if the other guy is taller

although i'm not convinced that obama is any better going to his left than mitt

despite his left-handedness!

iirc his goto move is one dribble left pull up j at the elbow

do we know anyone with pull?

you, me, kk, hurting and lebron against obama and the fucking pentagon

ITS SO ON