IF you want your battery life to take a massive hit, upgrade away.
― American Fear of Pranksterism (Ed), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 13:28 (eleven years ago) link
whoa http://arstechnica.com/apple/2012/08/tests-show-mountain-lion-may-indeed-degrade-battery-life/
― caek, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 13:31 (eleven years ago) link
Some users in Apple's forums reported potential fixes, including repairing disk permissions
christ those forums are the pits
― stet, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 13:44 (eleven years ago) link
lol yeah i nearly stopped reading at that point
― caek, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 14:29 (eleven years ago) link
I just started laughing so hard I almost choked when I read that, thanks stet
― your native bacon (mh), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
btw mountain lion is awesome and all the swipey motions on the trackpad are even better with added NOTIFICATION CENTER SWIPE
I've also noticed, oddly, that it seems to be more intelligent about when to put my laptop to sleep compared to Lion?
― your native bacon (mh), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 14:47 (eleven years ago) link
uggh @ that "save as" thing, I have already used it but did not notice
because of "Versions" I'm not screwed but still
― Euler, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 15:11 (eleven years ago) link
surely the same thing happens even when you DON'T "save as"?
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 17:58 (eleven years ago) link
i.e. if you just close the document?
yeah. the new save as behaviour makes total sense if you're in the cuckoo new always-save world
― stet, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 18:34 (eleven years ago) link
or if you've ever used gmail.com
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:08 (eleven years ago) link
or wordpress.com
etc
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:09 (eleven years ago) link
I like that behavior but that's why the old save as is useful too, to branch docs that have their own versions too
― Euler, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:10 (eleven years ago) link
Xp to stet
isn't this just confusion surrounding how mtn lion ~looks at~ edits? like in the Olde Worlde, you opened a document, made changes to it, and then, once you were satisfied with those changes, you committed to them and saved the document. if you decided to save-as, it just took a snapshot of the document AS IS and made a new document. then if you closed out the other one, and didn't save changes, you had the situation that seems to be so vexing for you guys.
cuz otherwise this save-as business (i haven't really run into it yet) just sounds like it mimics this behavior: open a doc, edit it, come to a point where you would like to be able to explore changes, but are happy with what you've got so far, save, then save-as for changes you want to try out, but maybe not commit to.
basically with save-as working as it does in mtn lion, invoking it says "start keeping track of these changes under a new name, leave the old document as it was when i invoked save-as". esp since it removes the terror associated with 'holy shit i've been working on this thing for hours and haven't hit save, if i do the wrong thing or if the power goes out or the cat trips the cable or w/e it will be as if NOTHING HAPPENED'. i for one welcome our new etc etc
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
ignore that 'esp since' apparently i forgot words
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:26 (eleven years ago) link
it makes branching easier and more intuitive imo
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
so the new "save as" does what a "save" and then a "save as" used to do?
― caek, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:27 (eleven years ago) link
apparently, yes
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
in TextEdit the keystroke is called Duplicate in the menu, it's pretty obv what they're doing
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:29 (eleven years ago) link
i just made a file in TE, saved it (before doing anything), and then typed some stuff. then i hit the save-as keystroke and boop there was another window, with the window/document name ready to be edited, hit return, cursor in the document. changed it some, then close the windows.
the branched document appeared in the same directory as the original. this is pretty handy, imo
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:32 (eleven years ago) link
is there a "save as classic" if you hold option while clicking the file menu?
― caek, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:34 (eleven years ago) link
why yes, yes there is
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
boom
― caek, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah I think if you were designing a document storage system from scratch, this is how you would want it to work. It will lead to confusion among actually-existing humans, but that's just temporary.
― hot slag (lukas), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:36 (eleven years ago) link
No, there's no save as classic, that's what's got the marcos all riled up. Even if you Save As (option-click), it "saves" the old document too.
But, like I say, that makes perfect sense in the new world. documents are always saved. There's no concept of a document with unsaved changes, so there's not really any way to support classic Save As.
TBH I never liked classic Save As. I was always (irrationally) worried that the next save would go to the original document (eg that Save As saved out a copy to the new filename, then let you carry on working on your original document).
― stet, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I've had that uncertainty too
― catbus otm (gbx), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
does saveas keep your previously saved copy somewhere as well?
― Philip Nunez, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
Yes, except that it retains all the changes you made up to that point, rather than wherever it was the previous time you saved the original document - at least if I'm reading people right. But you can use Versions, as always, to go back.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 20:09 (eleven years ago) link
I've always duplicated files before working on them, giving them a new number. Save As was always too close to Save for me!
― dan selzer, Wednesday, 8 August 2012 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
one sort of wonderful thing about dropbox is that it saves versions
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 20:15 (eleven years ago) link
but ya i usually, especially when like, editing a film, save a new version number every day in case the file gets corrupted
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 20:16 (eleven years ago) link
vim still works the same
― "Pffft" --buddha (silby), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link
we're not talking about kitchen cleaners here pal
― Author ~ Coach ~ Goddess (s1ocki), Wednesday, 8 August 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link
i've been running ML since the betas and when all this hubbub about Save As started kicking around, i was trying to think if i had ever even noticed the behavior ...then i realized that 90% of any document editing i do is in emacs
― diamonddave85, Thursday, 9 August 2012 00:24 (eleven years ago) link
bring back suggest ban
― caek, Thursday, 9 August 2012 00:44 (eleven years ago) link
cosign. that said, I never got my head around the whole save as/duplicate thing in lion whenever I was forced to use Word for something.
― toby, Thursday, 9 August 2012 05:18 (eleven years ago) link
Cosign also. Roughly half of my work is residing in local git/svn repositories anyway, so most of this just flew by me.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 10 August 2012 02:17 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I guess I don't care about this "Save As" behavior...I'm happy to be able to skip the "Duplicate" crap of Lion & this behavior is compatible with the "always saved" file model of L/ML.
― Euler, Friday, 10 August 2012 21:04 (eleven years ago) link
and if I want different versions of my CV?
― skrill xx (cozen), Friday, 10 August 2012 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
Create a separate one called "Inflated Lies," accidentally attach it to your next cover letter.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 10 August 2012 21:12 (eleven years ago) link
Honestly is this so hard to figure out? Save As BEFORE you start making all your experimental horse changes
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Friday, 10 August 2012 21:24 (eleven years ago) link
eh the reason I want to branch is that I've already been writing in a new vein & I want to be able to revert to things before I started f'ing with things
but as I said I can do that with versions so it's ok enough
― Euler, Friday, 10 August 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
i just noticed this in the itunes preferences and i really can't believe i've been listening to my music with this shit on for so long:
http://i.imgur.com/wczt4.png
do yourself a favor and turn it off if you use itunes
― diamonddave85, Friday, 17 August 2012 02:56 (eleven years ago) link
OK, I turned it off, nothing sounds different, what was it doing?
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 17 August 2012 03:37 (eleven years ago) link
I think it's just like a dynamic equalizing thing but I obviously could be wrong about that.
apple says: "If you select the "Sound Enhancer" checkbox, iTunes "enhances" the sound of your audio files by increasing the treble and bass response, depending on how you set the slider. Think of it kind of like the "Loudness" button found on an old home stereo system, but adjustable. If you move the slider toward the "high" end, iTunes boosts more of the equalization, meaning things will generally sound punchier and crisper. If you move it towards the "low" end, iTunes will decrease the same frequencies."
― Clay, Friday, 17 August 2012 03:50 (eleven years ago) link
Christ, music's boring. never noticed before.
― Fizzles, Friday, 17 August 2012 05:50 (eleven years ago) link
Ah good, iPod headphone jack's going out in one channel. THROW IT OUT AND BUY A NEW ONE.
― reckless driving, abuse of small dogs, thirst for fame (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Friday, 17 August 2012 08:52 (eleven years ago) link