Not to mention he is at least 10 years older than Pujols (who knows for sure?) and is quite a different player than Sheffield is.
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:20 (nineteen years ago) link
are you kidding me??
"is quite a different player than Sheffield is."
no, he's not at all. unless you mean what you probably mean, which doesn't actually have anything to do with what i'm talking about. please, don't even try to argue that bonds is half as tough as gary is. barry can (and does) have all the talent in the world, but at the end of the day he's still a pussy.
giants lose 7-6. bonds makes an out in his PH AB.
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:30 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:36 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:40 (nineteen years ago) link
Hi John,
I've been watching Bonds for almost his entire career. While his hamstring isn't going to tear in half, i would imagine that it has never healed completely based on first hand observation. For a guy who has had only 2 substantial stays on the DL in a 19 year career and has played in less than 140 games only 1 time since 1987, your definition of "pussy" shows either a very poor or creative understanding of it.
And while your attempt to credit Bonds with the loss with his PH AB (the Giants had the lead at the time) is charming, if you'd actually watched the game you'd have seen Dustin Hermanson gave up 3 hits and a walk (2 Runs) in the bottom of the 9th while failing to retire a batter.
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:48 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, yeah, there's plenty on-record of The Pain of The Bonds (mostly because, since I'm not in the SF area, the only non-stat noise I hear about Bonds is about his aches & pains & BB's attitude re: the aches & pains & the media's slanting of BB's attitude re: the aches & pains), but if there's a player nowadays that can deservedly get away w/ some diva histrionics, it is he, and I don't recall any outright grandstanding re: his aches & pains (which, from what I've heard, are pretty severe - I heard it takes 10 man hours for his hammies to get prepped before gametime?)
― David R. (popshots75`), Monday, 30 August 2004 19:49 (nineteen years ago) link
he didn't cost them the game by making a lousy out, he cost them the game by NOT PLAYING.
for a roided-up 40 year old man with a shot hammy, he still runs the bases and plays the field pretty well. so i thought, in a deadlocked wildcard race with only a month remaining in the season, where a single loss could certainly cost the giants a playoff berth, and with two days off in the coming week, he might take a risk, make an exception, and play this game. sacrifice his body a little bit, for the good of the team, like some of those other mvp candidates are. y'know, that corny old-school unselfish "white" bullshit.
(i'm just kidding of course, i never thought that. i know the guy too well)
regards
john
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:06 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 20:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:04 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:16 (nineteen years ago) link
beltre, 3Bg - 125eqa - .340
pujols, 1Bg - 124eqa - .341
seems to me like beltre should have the higher VORP.
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 30 August 2004 21:40 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:19 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Monday, 30 August 2004 22:26 (nineteen years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 12:45 (nineteen years ago) link
Well, it would figure to be. Even if most MVP winners are from one of the 8 playoff teams, odds of the player's team going on to get the trophy is roughly 1 in 8, given that most postseason series are a coin flip (or "fucking luck" as Mr Beane put it).
>seems to me like beltre should have the higher VORP
Pujols has nearly 40 more plate appearances.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:01 (nineteen years ago) link
no one will agree with me on this and he won't win, but it's gotta be sheffield in the AL.
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:08 (nineteen years ago) link
Through Sunday, Shefffield is third in the AL in Adjusted Runs Above Position, trailing only Guillen and Mora (neither of whom will get support) and just ahead of Vlad.
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 15:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― John (jdahlem), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:11 (nineteen years ago) link
Another way to look at it is that teams who rely on one player for most their offense rarely win it all.
― bnw (bnw), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 16:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 31 August 2004 18:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― bnw (bnw), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 01:52 (nineteen years ago) link
edmonds .311/.426/.672, neutral parkbeltre .338/.386/.652, pitcher's park
gotta figure defense is a wash/edge to edmonds. but jimmy doesn't have great clutch/risp numbers.
the trouble of course is that rolen and pujols still loom VERY large...but i'm moving back to undecided.
― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 04:18 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 04:33 (nineteen years ago) link
Edmonds would likely be my #2 at the moment.
VORP, Sept 1
Bonds 118.9Pujols 82.2Edmonds 78.5
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 1 September 2004 14:20 (nineteen years ago) link
"* In terms of EqA, the gap between Bonds and Beltre is bigger than the gap between Beltre and Cody Ransom. Hell, the gap between Bonds and Beltre about as big as the gap between Beltre and Neifarious."
― gygax! (gygax!), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:20 (nineteen years ago) link
― Leeeter van den Hoogenband (Leee), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 17:56 (nineteen years ago) link
― mookieproof (mookieproof), Tuesday, 7 September 2004 18:24 (nineteen years ago) link
― jaymc (jaymc), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 17:46 (nineteen years ago) link
If the Yanks win the division despite all those pitching injuries, I think Sheff will win (although Rivera probably deserved equal credit. In a way, they're the Bonds-Schmidt combo of the AL, or at least, that is how they will be perceived).
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:33 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 18:35 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Wednesday, 15 September 2004 19:28 (nineteen years ago) link
Last year Manny was also better when he played (he was injured for several weeks last season). But he's got this Albert Belle-esque rep as a "difficult" personality and a selfish player, which the voters hate. Whereas Ortiz has the opposite rep. I think Manny would need vastly superior numbers than any of his competitors to make up that difference in the voters' eyes, and that's just not true this season.
― Barry Bruner (Barry Bruner), Thursday, 16 September 2004 02:56 (nineteen years ago) link
Albert Pujols 2Adrian Beltre 3Jim Edmonds 4Todd Helton 5Lance Berkman 6Bobby Abreu 7Scott Rolen 8Mark Loretta 9J.D. Drew 10
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 15:25 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:23 (nineteen years ago) link
― Dr Morbius (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:42 (nineteen years ago) link
― David R. (popshots75`), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 19:57 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (Gear!), Tuesday, 5 October 2004 22:42 (nineteen years ago) link
(therefore: NOT a dopey question dave r!)
((helton?))
[and i don't care what you say, rolen should totally have been #4 dude, you've been rash]
― John (jdahlem), Wednesday, 6 October 2004 01:34 (nineteen years ago) link
― Gear! (can Jung shill it, Mu?) (Gear!), Saturday, 11 June 2005 21:07 (eighteen years ago) link
― Actor Sizemore fails drug test with fake penis (jingleberries), Monday, 13 June 2005 04:19 (eighteen years ago) link
Beltre ($11.4M).244/.279/.361
Boone ($9M).234/.299/.378
Sexson ($6M).244/.353/.507
― gygax! (gygax!), Monday, 13 June 2005 15:33 (eighteen years ago) link
Beltre
Sexson
― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Thursday, 16 June 2005 12:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― gygax! (gygax!), Thursday, 16 June 2005 15:48 (eighteen years ago) link
― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 17 June 2005 11:56 (eighteen years ago) link
― laurence kansas (lawrence kansas), Friday, 17 June 2005 11:58 (eighteen years ago) link
I was looking at Beltre's comps on Baseball Reference. As you probably know, there are always three lists: one based on who you'd match up with if your career were to end today, one that compares your numbers to other careers up to your current age (the most useful), and a third list that tracks season by season. Beltre's seasonal comps:
Age 20 -- Manny Machado (952)Age 21 -- Ron Santo (954)Age 22 -- Ron Santo (947)Age 23 -- Ron Santo (976)Age 24 -- Ron Santo (945)Age 25 -- Ron Santo (965)Age 26 -- Ron Santo (946)Age 27 -- Ron Santo (930)Age 28 -- Ron Santo (933)Age 29 -- Ron Santo (918)Age 30 -- Ruben Sierra (916)Age 31 -- Ron Santo (909)Age 32 -- Ron Santo (918)Age 33 -- Ron Santo (921)Age 34 -- Ron Santo (884)
That's pretty remarkable. No surprise that Beltre and Santo match up well over their careers, but I doubt that there have ever been two players in the entire history of baseball more in lockstep on a seasonal basis.
― clemenza, Saturday, 14 June 2014 13:59 (nine years ago) link
Example: even when you look at Ruth, where you're obviously drawing from an extremely limited group of similar players, you get a list that's Williams from age 26-33, a few years of Foxx after that, a few years of Bonds at the end, and Chuck Klein and Manny Ramirez and Will Clark (!--age 23) mixed in.
― clemenza, Saturday, 14 June 2014 14:03 (nine years ago) link
that's pretty fucking cool clemenza.
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 14 June 2014 18:28 (nine years ago) link
out at least four weeks ;_;
― mookieproof, Friday, 1 September 2017 20:54 (six years ago) link
Awful! He's having a partial season that ranks with all his other second-greatest seasons.
― clemenza, Friday, 1 September 2017 21:04 (six years ago) link
Adrian Beltre got to meet Beltre the Giraffe at the @FortWorthZoo today. https://t.co/Isr4ahfM88 pic.twitter.com/Bk3lwq3VaQ— Cut4 (@Cut4) March 30, 2018
― mookieproof, Saturday, 31 March 2018 02:15 (six years ago) link
Adrian Beltre Becomes the Latin American Hit King https://t.co/I4ZNwtnCUe— FanGraphs Baseball (@fangraphs) April 5, 2018
― mookieproof, Thursday, 5 April 2018 21:10 (six years ago) link
That is just amazing. This guy has blossomed into an All-Timer.
― earlnash, Thursday, 5 April 2018 23:00 (six years ago) link
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/adrian-beltre-is-now-the-international-hit-king/
― obviously DLC (Karl Malone), Friday, 15 June 2018 05:48 (five years ago) link
I never get tired of these two guys:
http://www.mlb.com/cut4/felix-hernandez-laughed-at-adrian-beltre-after-striking-him-out/c-289319882
(Extra credit to Beltre--as the announcers point out, he knows when not to joke around.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 8 August 2018 19:35 (five years ago) link
I hope Ade comes back for a final season. He’s been injured and his statline is a touch below recent years but still, he has been playing out of his mind the past couple weeks and his bWAR is a very nice 2.3 (in approx 2/3 of a season.)
― omar little, Saturday, 22 September 2018 15:20 (five years ago) link
Hope so too. Otherwise (and it makes no actual difference in his stature), the two partial seasons will end up costing him 500 HR and 100 WAR.
― clemenza, Saturday, 22 September 2018 15:26 (five years ago) link
In honor of Adrián Beltré retiring here’s a thread of all of his best, goofiest and most wonderful moments.The dude was such a vehicle of baseball joy and we’ll all miss his antics.— Cespedes Family BBQ (@CespedesBBQ) November 20, 2018
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 20 November 2018 15:32 (five years ago) link
not complete without: http://i.imgur.com/vv7x8lf.jpg
― Mad Piratical (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Tuesday, 20 November 2018 16:43 (five years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DtR9eU2U8AA8ck-.jpg:small
― mookieproof, Friday, 30 November 2018 21:29 (five years ago) link
@GrantBrisbee Hello Grant, long time reader here. I just wanted to share this very important video with you where Adrian Beltre was shopping at JC Penny with his family and randomly appeared in a commercial where the person had no idea who he was. https://t.co/nkmxaMNHig— Mark Sandritter (@MarkSandritter) January 24, 2019
― mookieproof, Thursday, 24 January 2019 20:39 (five years ago) link
Damn, he didn't even get a chryon
― reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 24 January 2019 20:45 (five years ago) link