Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

I'm new to ILM but have had suspicions that many of the posters here are as deaf as doorknobs, and reading all the posts that think that the closet mix of "Some Kinda Love" is the same performance as the non-closet mix absolutely confirms it.
Of course they're different performances. I just prefer what are commonly known as the "closet mixes."
Having said that, I am as deaf as a doorknob. I blame that on a Clash show in '82.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daIsBjJmGJY

^^^^i believe that's an early mix of white light white heat they've dug up for some soundtrack

yeah, it was a hillbilly cover all along?

Ralph Stanley returning it to its bootlegging roots, think he does that with a few songs on that s/trk.
Could be all thanks to having Nick Cave as musical director. Think he talked about it in that interview in that Observer last Sunday
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/aug/26/lawless-nick-cave-interview?fb=native

WTF at that Ralph Stanley version

maybe we can get some real musicians in here to make the final judgement.

I've recorded many, many albums & I'd wager that they're the same performance. Vocally & all. I think some of you don't really know just how different a mix can make a song. I could be wrong, but having gone through the mixing process many, many times, I don't think I am. You guys know that whole parts get taken out in mix that can be present in a different mix of the same performance, right? So, for example, the drum track & the vocal track can be the same while the guitars are different...or some vocal phrases can be dropped in or out, replaced with pieces from different takes...etc, etc. This was all doable by any local engineer when the track was recorded. Substantially, these are the same take, with some possible different mixing decisions about keeping or leaving out other stuff.

OTOH it is also true that I'm completely deaf.

haha, i *was* kidding, aero -- i know there are real musicians around here.

http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/5200000/Steven-steven-tyler-5217884-385-480.jpg

huh, never knew about the different mixes. my LP is the closet mix.

http://olivier.landemaine.free.fr/vu/live/1968/vuad6805.gif

I just listened to both mixes. Vocals are different, the closet mix also has only one guitar which sounds to me like neither of the guitars on the original vinyl mix. The percussion and the bas could very well be the same though.

http://olivier.landemaine.free.fr/vu/live/1971-73/vu_ad_710501_youngstown_vindicator_april_29_1971.jpg

Steven, i know you have recorded many of Beantown's finest classic rock albums of the 70s, but seriously, ffwd to the final verse ("put jelly on your shoulder")... Lou does this elongated falsetto on the closet mix ("lie down upon the carpet"). the prominent guitar (not sure if that's lou or sterl) that's present on both tracks also does more blue note bends on the closet mix. NOTE: I am NOT A/B-ing this shit, I have heard both versions enough that they are ingrained in my brain.

Trust me for I am
Peter G. (aka "lil queequeg")

The guitar present in both mixes is Lou for the record. Sterl got the shaft in the closet mix, no wonder he named it so.

blue note bends

Yeah, this was the descriptor I was trying to come up with. Neither guitar on the original mix does this the same way, or as much.

Can I just say that doing my research for my previous post I had to revisit the reunion tour album which has to be without a doubt one of the biggest flaming piles of shit ever amassed?

the version of some kinda love on there is pretty bonkers. lou is terrible, but cale's piano pounding drowns him out at the end!

Chuckling at Ralph Stanley resolutely refusing to find a way to fit "tickles me down to my toes" into the meter every single time he reaches that line.

Steven, i know you have recorded many of Beantown's finest classic rock albums of the 70s, but seriously, ffwd to the final verse ("put jelly on your shoulder")... Lou does this elongated falsetto on the closet mix ("lie down upon the carpet"). the prominent guitar (not sure if that's lou or sterl) that's present on both tracks also does more blue note bends on the closet mix. NOTE: I am NOT A/B-ing this shit, I have heard both versions enough that they are ingrained in my brain.

ha, I will confess that I listened to the first two minutes A/B and said "these are the same performance for the most part," I haven't made it all the way through. I will] say that I remember plenty of blue bending notes on the French vinyl which was my listening copy during the eighties - it was one of the things I found most unusual about the song.

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Someone who didn't pay enough attention to VU lyrics.

he was Chinese so maybe hadn't understood the song perfectly.
I mean since WL/WH is such a popular lp over there & all

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/265970_10151070886033791_1592168086_o.jpg

feel like leading off the 1969 LP is a good idea, not sure how i feel about it not ending with "I'm Sticking With You" ... but 'Ride Into The Sun' is rad too.

meant to say "feel like leading off the 1969 LP with Foggy Notion is a good idea"

As long as it leads off with the six guitar notes missing from every non-vinyl-VU release of the song.

also, leaving out ferryboat bill! COME ON.

I admit I am kinda tempted by this

mostly because all my Velvets stuff has always been cassette/CD (apart from a very odd pressing of WL/WH)

I don't know if I've only ever heard the 'closet mix' or what but every mix I've ever heard has sounded exactly the same. Maybe the older mix just isn't in circulation much these days...

xp it does look cool. i think sundazed said it would retail for around $100. which isn't outrageous, i guess. it's a little outrageous.

not to just keep posting things from sundazed's facebook page, but this is neato!
https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/417395_10151070916863791_1241806119_n.jpg

Yeah, those tape boxes were the CD covers for the discs in the box set from the mid-90s. I remember trying to understand what the heck the notes next to each track meant.

I love that "Sister Ray" is handwritten in, having crossed out "Searching."

"Really? This isn't the Coasters tune? Are you sure?"

the peel slowly and see tape box is slightly different
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hWb26SAoAv8/TxKs2EWwctI/AAAAAAAABl8/JpeNwegCPfo/s1600/void%2525280%252529-2.jpeg
i can kind of imagine the velvets jamming on searchin' by the coasters.

Yeah, definitely. "I'm Gonna Move Right In" slightly resembles "Searchin'."

listening to the sundazed track order for 1969 now. works OK -- weirdest inclusion is "move right in". unless they've uncovered a vocal track for it, it still sounds like an unfinished jam. i like it, but i find it doubtful the band would've released it back then. and they've left out finished tunes like andy's chest, she's my best friend, ferryboat bill etc.

xp yeah you're right "move right in" kinda borrows the searchin groove.

jpg #1 = mono
jpg #2 = stereo

guys I think Sister Ray was called "Searching" by the tape op because of the repeated line "I'm searching for my mainline" throughout the song.

guy you may be right

No "she's my best friend"? That's crazy. Song is awesome.

I couldn't figure out what "Searching" was... first guess was "Beserking"

$100 for 5 Sundazed LPs (+posters & neat-o box) sounds about right. Their Quine set is that much for 6 records.

yeah $20 per album seems perfectly reasonable to me

re: she's my best friend -- anti doug yule bias? seems wrong -- he sang lead on both the third LP and loaded, would've been surprising if he didn't get a vocal showcase on the lost album.

had no idea Yule sang that

those pictures of the masters are so great. i could look at them all day.

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