I HATE APPLE

aha! I always thought that stuff was integrated in the "apps" allocations (as is the case for videos with VLC or stuff in Cloud Reader)

yeah, it distinguishes between stuff the app says it needs to keep around (videos etc) and stuff the app says is cache that can be removed if required.

(The system will empty those caches in extremis, it changes the icon and marks it "Cleaning..." when it's doing it. Have only seen it happen a few times)

Does anyone know if there is a way to have wifi automatically turn off when plugged into a thunderbolt monitor (or even to a network hard line)

http://www.controlplaneapp.com/

fwiw though, even if wifi is "on", it shouldn't actually use it for data if it has a real network connection

While I'm hatin on Apple, I've now got a Nexus 7 and tho I don't think it's better than the iPad, it shows up the how bad it is that iOS doesn't have proper background running for apps.

It's pretty nice how I can get on the Tube with no reception, take my nexus out of my bag where it's been left all day, and Pocket, Google Reader, GMail, Kindle, Spotify and Twitter having automatically updated themselves via the office wifi. No manual intervention required. The iPad in the same situation would be so out of date as to be useless.

Would make the iPod Touch and the non-3G iPads way better if they had this too.

agreed

otm

apple is in serious danger of falling massively behind, especially in phones (yes I know it's coming, no I don't think it'll hold a candle to the galaxy iii)

I saw someone looking at their Windows phone last night and God the UI looked beautiful compared with tired old iOS.

(I am not saying Windows phones are better than iPhones, just that some the design is gorgeous)

It's pretty nice how I can get on the Tube with no reception, take my nexus out of my bag where it's been left all day, and Pocket, Google Reader, GMail, Kindle, Spotify and Twitter having automatically updated themselves via the office wifi. No manual intervention required. The iPad in the same situation would be so out of date as to be useless.

Would make the iPod Touch and the non-3G iPads way better if they had this too.

― stet, Wednesday, September 5, 2012 6:44 AM

That functionality is built into some newer apps and some services, like the recently upgraded BBC iPlayer, but yeah it would be nice if it were OS- or system-wide.

Yeh, that's cool about iPlayer, but it's not quite what I mean: even with apps that do support using them offline like Reeder or Instapaper, you have to open the app so it can grab new content. I end up doing this stupid dance before I leave work of opening Reeder, waiting, closing it, opening Pocket, waiting, closing it, opening Sparrow, waiting, closing it, and so on and on.

With Android, you don't even need to open the apps -- they just do their thing in the background.

sparrow doesnt support push?

I'd consider an Android tablet if only there were a decent selection of apps for it (designed for the larger screen of a tablet, not a phone). Android phone apps are plentiful, but because of the slow adoption rate of OS upgrades of Android users compared to iOS users, and because of the wide number of disparate Android devices that need to be supported (both by Google and the devs), it seems Android developers tend to write for the lowest common denominator to make sure their apps will run on most Android devices, rather than iOS developers which generally assume you have iOS 5 by now. And even then, the iPhone app usually arrives first.

i'm gonna have to look at some of these new windows phones... at least with Android I still haven't really seen anything that's at the level of iOS in terms of elegance smoothness, snappiness, ease of use, etc.

oh wait, this is the hate thread... my bad

Again, i'll pass on Windows phones until or unless the apps arrive. Most stuff right now is Apple and Android only, maybe Blackberry.

I'm thinking the iPhont 5 will have some kind of PowerNap type functionality.

Nah, Sparrow tried to support Push, but Apple rejected it for misusing the multitasking API. They were trying to come up with some other method, but then Google bought them.

Apple should really sort something out, though -- it's unfair and lame that Apple apps like Mail/Reminders/Notes can do this and others can't.

WEill Ipad survive 80$ android tablets influx - Ghost of Jobs says yes

http://osxdaily.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/apple-kegerator.jpg

http://www.fastcodesign.com/1670760/will-apples-tacky-software-design-philosophy-cause-a-revolt

YES

how acre!

so pretty much a non-event today, huh

5 ROWS OF ICONS

fuckle

iphone 6: SIX ROWS OF ICONS!!!!

iPhone 7 : We Are Dicks Now

Lightning-to-30-pin dock connector adapter £25 or US $29.

Holy shit.

sounds like it'd have to have a dac in it

like, the current connector has analog audio line out, this thing only does digital...

Video-out not supported either BTW.

Add $10 if you want a 20cm cable between the old and new connectors.

And what's the deal with two different sizes shown on the Apple site? Even the smaller one is bigger than it would seem to require given the shortness of the 30-pin male connector.

http://images.apple.com/ipod-touch/images/specs_accessories_lightning.jpg

http://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/2855/as-images.apple.com/is/image/AppleInc/MD823?wid=185&hei=185&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_sharpen=0&resMode=bicub&op_usm=0.5,0.5,0,0&iccEmbed=0&layer=comp

what do these things do again? adapt the old usb-iphone connector to the new iphone?

no, they adapt the new iPhone and iPods to work with 30-pin dock connectors, like those on speakers, car stereos, or your old charging cables

right right

it looks really flimsy btw, like you could easily snap that skinny part off in your iPhone

xp - oops, yes they will adapt the ubiquitous USB-to-Apple connector cables too.

o wow, Windows 8 looks kind of awesome.

Remember when Steve Jobs unveiled the original iPod nano by pulling it out of that little extra front pocket-within-a-pocket in his jeans? Now we're all going to use that little pocket to carry an new-to-old adapter plug everywhere we go

xp yeah I might have posted this thought somewhere on ilx before but after years of iOS's skeumorphic rounded-corner 3-d soft-lighting nonsense, the flat-color windows 8 rectangles are a refreshing change.

On the other hand, shit like dealing with device drivers probably still makes Windows a horrorshow

is one of the ideas of windows 8 that you use it the same way on mobile, tablet and desktop pcs, touchscreen or mouse?

not really, windows has been pretty chill for a while
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that's their play, yeah xp

mh, just a couple weeks ago we had to bring my partner's home-built pc to the shop because we had somehow uninstalled windows and then made it impossible to reinstall. This was after trying to track down manufacturer drivers to make Skyrim work without bluescreening.

idk, man, that all comes down to manufacturer hardware and drivers. my stock work pc works fine (Dell, lol) and my mac runs windows 7 just fine

are we talking Windows 7 or an earlier, sucky version?

I think that Windows 7 is the best OS that Microsoft has ever released (no judgment on 8, yet), has a pretty decent security model and programming environment, and is relatively insulated from a lot of driver crashes. Vista mostly was, but was plagued by permissions and UI vagueness. XP was OK on release but was a shitheap that lived too long/.

7. I mean I am impressed with Windows 7 being able to connect to wireless networks, I'll give them that.

The desktop PC version of Win8 is going to have a steep learning curve for anyone used to 7, and I suspect many Windows PC users who don't have Windows phones or tablets (which is most of them) will choose the old Windows 7 interface on their desktops and laptops. Most of us already are used to either iOS or Android on mobile/touchscreen devices anyway.

Windows Phone also suffers from the paucity of apps for it, and a small selection of phones that run it (mostly Nokia)