disgusted by a liberal friend encouraging people not to vote because it isnt worth it. seriously furious atm
― the most astonishing writer on ilx (roxymuzak), Thursday, September 6, 2012 1:15 PM (3 hours ago)
depending on which state you live in your vote really may not even count
― k3vin k., Thursday, 6 September 2012 20:37 (eleven years ago) link
http://sdgln.com/files/tell_me_more-11061.jpg
― boxall, Thursday, 6 September 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
well if obama loses then it'll be all roxy's friend's fault
anyway i'm not saying you shouldn't vote, i'm probably going to vote, i was just saying that if you live in a solidly blue state (like i do), your vote isn't really worth the same as someone in like, florida or iowa
― k3vin k., Thursday, 6 September 2012 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
Xp All votes count dude, unless you think that literally only the singular vote that puts the winner over "counts"
― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 6 September 2012 20:49 (eleven years ago) link
Maybe k3vin's implying that some weird alternative electoral system has displaced the presidential election by popular vote that we all know to be enshrined in the Constitution, do you have a link or source for that though? because it flew under the radar for me.
― boxall, Thursday, 6 September 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
So all the voters in solid blue states can just stay home that day. That'll work out fine!
― Emperor Cos Dashit (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 6 September 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link
yeah look i'd never tell anyone not to vote obviously. but the electoral college is dumb
― k3vin k., Thursday, 6 September 2012 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
Margin of victory (mandate) and victory are different things imho
― Adesso vorrei assistere alle esequie vichinghe (Michael White), Thursday, 6 September 2012 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
dubya seemed to govern as he pleased despite a negative mandate in 2000. I think mandate stuff is overstated.
― iatee, Thursday, 6 September 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link
I mean the 'real mandate' is what congress looks like and on some level yr approval rating
― iatee, Thursday, 6 September 2012 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
fuck it, might as well get yourself elected on as close a margin as you can swing, then really stick it to your enemy constituencies.
― Newgod joins this board, and quickly he's some dude (goole), Thursday, 6 September 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link
In the presidential election or in any election?
― tokyo rosemary, Friday, 7 September 2012 02:36 (eleven years ago) link
shes talking about the pres election, but she has "given up hope" and "questions the sanity and morality of anyone in politics"
― the most astonishing writer on ilx (roxymuzak), Monday, 10 September 2012 19:43 (eleven years ago) link
this thread made me lol very hard several times.
i'm just so, so, so happily smug that i don't vote.
― for reasons of sass (the table is the table), Saturday, September 1, 2012 2:18 AM (1 week ago)
― mookieproof, Monday, 10 September 2012 20:24 (eleven years ago) link
it's the 'so, so, so' that really puts it across for me
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 10 September 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link
agreed; it makes tabes so, so, irresistible! :)
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Monday, 10 September 2012 21:16 (eleven years ago) link
But the Obama administration has stopped mentioning the American Jobs Act. It didn’t appear in Obama’s convention speech, for instance. And the Romney campaign doesn’t have anything even like the American Jobs Act, even though Romney had a pretty substantial stimulus proposal in the 2008 campaign. So we’re in a situation where both campaigns know — or at least once knew — what the jobless problem is and what needs to be done about it, but neither wants to propose the policies that the economy needs, as opposed to the policies that voters want.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/09/11/the-politicians-are-failing-theory-of-unemployment/
Krugman in the NYT mentions the American Jobs Act too. I guess because of the way the Republicans have spun "stimulus", Obama made the political calculation to not even mention this plan.
― curmudgeon, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 14:46 (eleven years ago) link
Your FBI brings you the end of public anonymity:
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-fbis-nationwide-facial-recognition-system-2012-9
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 September 2012 15:54 (eleven years ago) link
I see the Mother Jones link above; here's the clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ-yPea2Lb8
― clemenza, Tuesday, 11 September 2012 21:34 (eleven years ago) link
Federal judge strikes down clauses in NDAA:
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2012/09/obamas_ndaa_law.php
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 September 2012 11:46 (eleven years ago) link
Oh, the indefinite detention language. Excellent. Wow a 112 page ruling.
There's good reason to temper the elation, however. The government is almost certain to appeal the ruling. Indeed, the administration already has appealed the temporary injunction granted in May.
"That's all right," Hedges said Wednsday. "If they appeal, we'll fight them, and we'll keep fighting them, and we'll fight them until we win."
― curmudgeon, Thursday, 13 September 2012 18:44 (eleven years ago) link
good news
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 September 2012 18:48 (eleven years ago) link
until O's friends on the Supreme Court uphold it.
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 September 2012 18:54 (eleven years ago) link
still time to drop a piano on Scalia before that happens...
― stop swearing and start windmilling (Shakey Mo Collier), Thursday, 13 September 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
wd be surprised if there were 3 votes against it.
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 September 2012 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
what makes you think the piano wouldn't bounce back?
― a regina spektor is haunting europe (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 September 2012 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
Todd Akin’s Wife Compares GOP Abandonment to Rape, Tyranny
Lulli Akin said that efforts to push her husband out of the race threaten to replace elections “by the people and for the people” with “tyranny, a top-down approach.” She added, “Party bosses dictating who is allowed to advance through the party and make all the decisions—it’s just like 1776 in that way.”She cited colonists who “rose up and said, ‘Not in my home, you don’t come and rape my daughters and my … wife. But that is where we are again. There has been a freedom of elections, not tyranny of selections since way back. Why are we going to roll over and let them steamroll us, be it Democrats or Republicans or whomever?”
She cited colonists who “rose up and said, ‘Not in my home, you don’t come and rape my daughters and my … wife. But that is where we are again. There has been a freedom of elections, not tyranny of selections since way back. Why are we going to roll over and let them steamroll us, be it Democrats or Republicans or whomever?”
― Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Monday, 17 September 2012 20:36 (eleven years ago) link
Todd Akin said his wife’s comparisons to 1776 were “a little more grandiose than the way I would say it”
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 17 September 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link
not-in-kansas-anymore.jpg
― free-range chicken pox (Matt P), Monday, 17 September 2012 20:40 (eleven years ago) link
Akin family dinner:
Lulli: I ordered in Chinese for dinner, is that ok with you?Todd: Sure thing hunbun. I could use a good meal. I was raped in the office today, absolutely raped.Lulli: Same here. Gary came by with about the thousandth round of revisions on the interim strategy document and he raped me with his edits, it was brutal.Todd: Can you pass the remote? I want to see if there are any shows about rape on.*Telephone rings*Todd: Hello?...What...? You gotta....you gotta be raping me. Unbelievable.*Hangs up*Todd: (muttering) you gotta be raping..this is...Lulli: What is it?Todd: That was the Chinese place. They're out of spring rolls.Lulli: We're getting raped from every direction, similar to the American Revolution.Todd: RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
― Thanks WEBSITE!! (Z S), Monday, 17 September 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link
seriously wtf is up with them
LOL ZS
― la goonies (k3vin k.), Monday, 17 September 2012 21:14 (eleven years ago) link
You gotta....you gotta be raping me
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 September 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link
And when their eloquence escapes me, their logic ties me up and rapes me.-Todd Aikin
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 17 September 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link
Greenwald takes note:
Nothing is more consistent than war propaganda, especially the propaganda aimed at the citizenry of a nation at war by its leaders. It simply never changes, no matter the war or the leaders:
Associated Press, Tuesday:
"US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said Monday that while he is very concerned about rogue Afghan troops and police turning their guns on US and allied forces, he sees the insider attacks as the 'last gasp' of a Taliban insurgency that has not been able to regain lost ground."
CNN, 20 June 2005:
"The insurgency in Iraq is 'in the last throes,' Vice-president Dick Cheney says … 'The level of activity that we see today from a military standpoint, I think, will clearly decline. I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency.'"
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 19 September 2012 21:47 (eleven years ago) link
point would be better taken if "never changes" didn't mean "never changes over the course of seven years"
― Mordy, Wednesday, 19 September 2012 22:16 (eleven years ago) link
Can I finish? Can I finish? Can I finish?
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/25/3020058/ross-perot-memoir-coming-out-in.html
(I thought there'd be a Perot thread, although I'm not exactly sure why.)
― clemenza, Wednesday, 26 September 2012 02:18 (eleven years ago) link
Stanford/NYU study says of US spin on its drone warfare: "The narrative is false."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/sep/25/study-obama-drone-deaths
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 17:37 (eleven years ago) link
Friedersdorf's blog post today worth a read on that front.
― taking tiger mountain (up the butt) (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 17:41 (eleven years ago) link
it's a strong post until he gets to the inevitable 'this is why i'm voting for gary johnson' part.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
sorry, for sullivan, but: http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/09/killer-robots.html
― la goonies (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 22:53 (eleven years ago) link
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, September 26, 2012 6:44 PM (27 minutes ago)
yup lol
― la goonies (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 23:12 (eleven years ago) link
i mean there's always going to be a 'ok, hold on...' moment when you read even the smartest, most reasonable libertarian, but he ought to at least acknowledge that a gary johnson presidency would have pretty serious consequences for a lot of ppl. a candidate who wants to can social security and medicare doesn't automatically become the savior of the republic just because he doesn't traffic in racist conspiracy theories like ron paul.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Wednesday, 26 September 2012 23:38 (eleven years ago) link
has this been posted yet? http://www.salon.com/2012/09/27/hey_left_wing_quit_griping/
― Mordy, Thursday, 27 September 2012 15:57 (eleven years ago) link
Apparently, we are not allowed to celebrate the fact that the attorney general for 12% of all Americans is pretty cool in a few key ways or figure out where that could take us.
gave up reading at this point, does anybody edit anything at all anymore?
Also, hate to pull a Morbs but some of the stuff the left wing is agitated about is kind of "bigger picture" than she is willing to allow.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:01 (eleven years ago) link
There is idealism somewhere under this pile of bile, the pernicious idealism that wants the world to be perfect and is disgruntled that it isn’t — and that it never will be.
― Mordy, Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
i cannot roll my eyes hard enough
― goole, Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:06 (eleven years ago) link
sooo fucking sick of those kinds of articles one way or another
― goole, Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:07 (eleven years ago) link
Pile of Bile (or POB for short) is an American R&B-based horn section and band, originating in Oakland, California, that has been performing for over 44 years.[1] They are best known for their funky soul sound highlighted by a powerful horn section and precisely syncopated bass-guitar lines. There have been several lead vocalists, the most famous being Lenny Williams, who fronted the band between early 1973 and late 1974, the period of their greatest commercial success.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:08 (eleven years ago) link
"pernicious idealism." Fuck you, Solnit. Commenter Mazer_Rackham otm.
Always amused by how assuaging one's "moral superiority" is the diagnosis of the non-Dem-lefty, not adhering to one's principles.
Harvey Milk was a politician. Citizens are not in the position to "give people hope" for a living.
― kizz my hairy irish azz (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 27 September 2012 16:25 (eleven years ago) link