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What are the really compelling reasons for upgrade though? My 4 is shit hot

My compelling reason is my knockoff replacement screen is dying a death.

I suppose if you travel a lot and are willing to pay roaming fees, 1429 CDMA makes sense

but I wouldn't be able to go to a new country, buy a SIM card and pop it in

I'll get the new phone obviously, but I'm torn of whether I should stay with AT&T (and retain my unlimited data plan) or switch to Verizon. I have horrible data connectivity with AT&T that drives me crazy. Full 3G signal, but wouldn't connect to anything. Constantly I have to flip airplane mode on/off or turn off 3G all together to connect. Would Verizon be any better? How is AT&T's LTE network?

Is that true? Don't Verizon world phones also need a SIM to roam abroad?

I should note that I never exceeded 2 GB of data month, but I blame that one a shitty connection. If I could I would be streaming spotify all the time over cellular.

it's always been my impression that verizon/sprint phones don't have SIM cards. could have changed recently tho xp

also I guess the viability of using the iphone 5 abroad would also depend on how many carriers offer prepaid NANOsim cards

aha, CDMA iphones need a SIM for LTE in any case

http://support.verizonwireless.com/information/4gsim.html

cool, think I'll probably get a verizon one then

What are the really compelling reasons for upgrade though? My 4 is shit hot

I don't see any (also sticking with my 4).

verizon iphones 4s have microsim cards, so you have to get the sim card cut if you want to use one from another country (or buy microsim i guess). also you have to be a verizon customer "in good standing" to get your phone unlocked, i.e. at least 3 months of service i think

if it makes sense to you, you can also for i think $25 get 200MB of international data.

bugger me, it costs $60 for 300MB on ATT, glad work picks that up, but that is a good reason to switch. I guess I'll leave it till they install a repeater in the factory and see how well that works.

Also grandfathered in the 'unlimited' AT&T plan but I often get the text message threatening to slow down my data if I go over 3GB.

Is there a reason to upgrade from the 3G? I keep waiting for something really big and not seeing it.

What are the really compelling reasons for upgrade though? My 4 is shit hot

― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:44 AM (1 hour ago)

iphone 5 fixes the shit hot bug

What are the really compelling reasons for upgrade though? My 4 is shit hot

The home button on my 4 is dying so I'll likely replace it with a 5

I'll get the new phone obviously, but I'm torn of whether I should stay with AT&T (and retain my unlimited data plan) or switch to Verizon. I have horrible data connectivity with AT&T that drives me crazy. Full 3G signal, but wouldn't connect to anything. Constantly I have to flip airplane mode on/off or turn off 3G all together to connect. Would Verizon be any better? How is AT&T's LTE network?

― Jeff, Thursday, September 13, 2012 7:53 AM (1 hour ago)

I support mobile devices for a global workforce and there's no single answer here, it's highly dependent on your location and travel habits (e.g. ed's good until he hits the factory). best bet is to look at the coverage maps for each carrier, and ask folks you know who frequent your area. I recently streamed the new swans album over the internet using a verizon iphone 4 on a drive from RI to NJ and had no issues - verizon's generally signal king in the US but like everybody else they have their dead zones.

Is there a reason to upgrade from the 3G? I keep waiting for something really big and not seeing it.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), jeudi 13 septembre 2012 14:57 (22 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Err personally I find Retina itself is reason enough to dump the 3 G.
Like others, for the first time I will probably not do my biyearly upgrade from 4 to 5.
Now, I'm more hesitant wrt to iOS6. I'm really anxious not to fuck up my iphone 4 with an update designed in some way to make it obsolete (like what happened with my 3G with iOS4) - so curious to hear feedback.

Is there a reason to upgrade from the 3G? I keep waiting for something really big and not seeing it.

kudos on having a 3g that still works, mine was unusably slow after a couple of years.

... maybe that was iOS4's fault

Is there a reason to upgrade from the 3G? I keep waiting for something really big and not seeing it.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, September 13, 2012 12:57 PM (30 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

worth it if only for the huge bump in performance. 3GS -> 4 seemed pretty significant to me, 3GS -> 5 would be huge i imagine.

if youre locked in on an american plan you should always upgrade as soon as youre allowed!

My main reason to upgrade from my 4 is speed. I get frequent lag when typing, switching between apps. It's annoying.

except with verizon I have an unlimited data plan, if I upgrade I go to the tiered plans with no idea what kind of data hog the iphone 5 will be on LTE

xp

Main reason I want to upgrade 4 -> 5 is the better camera.

Does verizon force a plan change on a phone upgrade? I was able to keep my unlimited data plan on at&t. Unlike Ed's experience, though, they announced that they will warn you the first month you go over 3GB, then any following months it just starts capping your download speed. So you still get unlimited data, but it's slow as hell past 3GB.

about a year or so ago verizon stopped offering unlimited data plans but grandfathered in any existing customers. last june or july they announced if you take an upgrade you lose your unlimited data plan.

Ah, that's right. My friend is having that quandary.

man, I'm no cell-data luddite but I've still only managed to use <4GB of cell data total in the 9 months I've had my phone. I guess that spotify streaming chews up the megs

The home button on my 4 is dying so I'll likely replace it with a 5

― DARING PRINCESS (DJP), Thursday, 13 September 2012

fwiw this can sometimes be solved with a reset (for real!)

yeah, try recalibrating your home button
http://lifehacker.com/5909709/recalibrate-your-idevice-home-button-for-snappier-performance

iPhones on CDMA carriers (i.e. Verizon and Sprint in the US) still won't be able to access the internet during a voice call, even in LTE areas (unless you're in a wi-fi hotspot for internet access). Just when I was about to go with Sprint for their unlimited data plan.

I've been using CDMA dumbphones on Verizon for about 7 years. CDMA phones normally don't use SIM cards, which sucks. If a CDMA phone has a SIM slot, it's so you can use the phone outside the small number of countries that have CDMA carriers. Changing to a new CDMA phone is a traumatic experience - you can't just swap the SIM card to the new phone; it needs a lengthy reconfiguration process, and you must manually reenter most of the info about your contacts. And your old text messages, calendars, etc. are gone for good. (yes I used BitPim which sometimes helps the process, but it's a big buggy and doesn't support many phones).

There is a way to transfer *everything* on your iPhone to a new one (texts, outgoing/received call logs, etc.) to a new iPhone, right?

I've gotten a new iphone while on verizon and haven't had any issues, old txt and vm messages were still available on the new phone, contacts, etc

even when I had dumb phones there was a verizon contact manager that transferred things over when I got a new one

but Verizon's contact manager (Backup Assistant) sucks. It only transfers names and mobile phone numbers, ignoring other parts of contact info like email or home address. And it doesn't transfer text messages, outgoing or received calls, calendar dates and reminders, or anything else.

yeah on my dum phone I only ever kept name/# so it wasn't an issue

There is a way to transfer *everything* on your iPhone to a new one (texts, outgoing/received call logs, etc.) to a new iPhone, right?

― Lee626, Thursday, September 13, 2012 6:59 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah, just restore from a backup. even easier if you have an icloud acct

verizon kinda rules re: signal compared to at&t but it's surprising that you can't "end call and answer" on cdma when you're getting a call waiting call

I've never wanted to use the internet while on a call but by posting this I'm sure the occasion will arise shortly

is that related to me

is that something else you can't do on CDMA?

no that was a belated xp to lee626

xp

lol

i def use maps and browser/search on calls. thanks for reminding me to stick with AT&T!

going with Verizon I think, pretty happy to use mobile hotspot along with this: gotta get a family plan b/c we're getting two of these puppies but it includes mobile hotspot support for no extra charge

my first real smartphone! pretty excited even though Apple didn't end up including a swiss army knife inside it

yeah, try recalibrating your home button
http://lifehacker.com/5909709/recalibrate-your-idevice-home-button-for-snappier-performance

― skrill xx (cozen), Friday, 14 September 2012 03:20 (9 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

iirc that turned out to be a load of horse shit in 99.999% of cases. Most likely djp's home button is just dead.

I had my 4 replaced ~6 months ago due to a dead home button, so my current 4 is basically a new phone, new battery etc. I'm still getting a 5 but I won't be queuing up on day 1 like I did in 2010 (my 3g was an utter dog as per baaderonixx's post, so had to replace it quicksticks). Main incentive to switch is sluggishness (which will certainly worsen with ios6), but also 16 gb storage is killing me.

btw I should point out that the 3g was a dog anyway. Of the two years I had it, the keyboard performance was vaguely acceptable for maybe four months. I've still no idea how 8759768658 billion people put up with it for so long.

note that Verizon includes free hotspot with their new Share Everything plans, but any data uploads or downloads your connected computers use are taken out of your monthly allotment of data gigabytes - and computers tend to download more data than phones due to their much larger screens, etc.

xp - on CDMA basic phones, you can't easily do many of the things you do on GSM phones when you swap SIM cards.

As for talking and internet at the same time, lots of times I'd like to do this. Like, if you two decide to go out to a movie and want to see what's showing, or who's playing at the local clubs that night, or directions to someplace, you don't have to hang up, find your answer, then call back with the answer each time. Major advantage for AT&T and other GSM carries IMO. (this is not an issue for most of the world outside North America, since the entirety of Europe, Aus/NZ, and most elsewhere else is GSM-only). (list of countries with CDMA carriers)

maybe I'm the last person in the universe to have realised this, but the iphone and the ipad will have the same number of icons in the home screen (not counting the six-wide ipad dock thingo), so in many cases it will be possible to match exacrly your ios layouts across devices