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british reactionary right is xenophobic and defensive rather than on constant attack like the americans?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

We'll see how good that guess is when he wins the next election. Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it. Cameron is only "radical" when it comes to wearing a wind turbine on your head or cycling backwards on a bicycle made entirely of radishes

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You sure you're not mixing up David Cameron with John Otway?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And Wild Willie Whitelaw?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

upthread are you dudes talking economic or social liberalism? or both?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

both

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

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Sure, Cameron didn't come up with free healthcare! But the political climate is such that he'd have a hard time getting rid of it. Which underlines my point about the political background being skewed more leftwards in the UK, despite years of Thatcher/Blair.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it."

well except for things involving teeth or eyes, ie the only two things i ever go in for...

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

just going to say

Alan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

We'll see how hard a time he has getting rid of it, it'll be less hard than you think once he persuades the middle classes it's in their interest (xxpost)

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Well, I think if it were politically possible to get rid of the NHS, it would have already been done. Anyway, doesn't Cameron have a disabled kid or something. He probably uses the NHS more than the average Tory.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

They are getting rid of it already, piece by piece

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

um guys the nhs is already on the way out...

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That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

BUT immigration is the no 1 concern of uk voters! apprently. maybe my first hypothesis was v v wrong.

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Not according to the most recent polls.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Being tough on immigration didn't do Michael Howard much good last time round did it?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

... and wasn't Cameron one of those responsible for that policy?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

parties don't campaign on 'number one concern of voters' in general but the voters who will swing the election, ie middle england blah blah blah.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:25 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Middle england (according to the polls) cares about health and house prices.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

healthy and house prices

fixed

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:31 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what on earth could their problem be with house prices!? they are winning that war. it would be interesting to know the nature of middle england's concern w. health -- taking my parents as barometer of same, their problem isn't exactly lack of service but quality of it: hospital bugs etc. a move by the tories towards increased private provision probably wouldn't phase them too much.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:48 (eleven years ago) Permalink

their kids getting on the property ladder?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Having to live near poor people?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

are the right wing pundits repping for "middle england" thou? as dom points out Littlejohn is, or at least was, the voice of white van man. all the big scares of recent years have focused on working class fears as much as middle england haven't they?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

the fact that homeowners who actually rent their houses from the bank think theyre rich overnight and are spending the paper money they dont have?

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:05 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ha ha, who cares about "working class fears"?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Difference between white working class fears of immigration and middle England fears of immigration? Straightforward difference of economics vs culture?

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

also theres a sense that rightwing british pundits dont really believe that much in what they right, so it all comes off a bit geezer down the pub, who says one thing one minute and another the next

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

a decent education system in this country might mean people writing right instead of righting write

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

If nothing else, the French election campaign makes me feel nostalgic for the days when one party stood for something and another party stood for something else, clearcut with no ambiguity and no chasing after the same limited and overrated floating electorate.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

perhaps with a decent university system that keeps the poor out, some of them may even write correctly

600, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:10 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"the fact that homeowners who actually rent their houses from the bank think theyre rich overnight and are spending the paper money they dont have?

-- 600, Tuesday, April 24, 2007 6:05 PM (4 minutes ago)"

lol 8080

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:11 (eleven years ago) Permalink

There are a lot of rent-a-rightie types on the op ed pages of the Times who you know cynically knock out 500 words of half-hearted spleen on the turn of a dime and really don't give a toss one way or the other - stand up Stephen Pollard, Ross Clark, Mick Hume and Rosemary Righter, which latter name could have come straight out of Kingsley Amis.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

oh i think mick hume cares a lot. he's sinister fucker with a scary team.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Since when was Mick Hume on Sinister?

Still, never trust an ex-Marxist.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i think saying they don't actually believe what they're saying is a bit dangerous. cf that thread about melanie phillips and the missing WMDs.

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I've said this before elsewhere on ILE, but Peter Cook used to write a fervently right-wing column for the Daily Mail in '76-8. He said he didn't agree with a word of it but he thought that was the kind of writing the editor of the Daily Mail wanted, and it paid good money. Most notoriously, he gave a scathing denouncement of punk rock which he'd written with Malcolm McLaren the night before.

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what thread was that?

i know what you mean acrobat. but melanie p means every word of what she says. she is less of a menace than the others, partly because that imo. which sounds odd but basically i don't think many guardian writers are really very committed to any kind of politics, they, like their right-wing counterparts, churn out perversely 'reassuring' copy each day, confirming their readers' half-thought out prejudices. polly toynbee and jackie ashley exist solely as government mouthpieces, for example.

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the cook columns are really funny though!

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 15:58 (eleven years ago) Permalink

He also mocked the idea that Martin Luther King was a good person because he used to sleep around, some of the columns are in that "I Was Born An Only Twin" collection.

xp

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:00 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Does this guy count as a rightwing pundit? Or is he a bit too button-down for the raving loon aspect?

He's the kind who's exported to america, at least, since he's over here on a book tour.

kingfish, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

http://www.ilxor.com/ILX/ThreadSelectedControllerServlet?boardid=40&threadid=53352#unread

this thread. i flicked through the spectator for the first time ever last week. it was really horrible.

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acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Upper class twit (xp)

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

he's crazy like a right-leaning fox.

good parody of him in last week's private eye.

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That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 16:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"'reassuring' copy"

hmmm...

acrobat, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 08:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

i'm thinking of toynbee really -- totally reliable worldview, could have been written any time in the last century.

i remember that labour voters used to say, well yeah blair *is* a dick, but wait till brown comes in, then it'll be sweet. so we live in interesting times.

That one guy that quit, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 08:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I find Toynbee a lot more dangerous than pretty much any right-wing British pundit, to be honest.

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 09:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

When Blair gets back from saving the Middle East...

Are the right-wingers in Britian opposed to TWAT?

Heave Ho, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:06 (eleven years ago) Permalink

It's complicated. Provisionally, no. In reality, sort of.

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Daily Mail have pretty much opposed any war fought by Blair.

Dom Passantino, Wednesday, 25 April 2007 12:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Rebecca Nicholson in the Guardian is not a fan of the Jonathan Pie special

Partridge is funny because he is pathetic and human; Pie just has a sneering superiority complex. Theroux offers insight because he listens to people; Pie has too many scores to settle to offer an impartial ear.

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2018/dec/13/tv-review-jonathan-pie-american-pie

mfktz (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 13 December 2018 12:40 (one month ago) Permalink

Are you still struggling to justify voting for Jeremy Corbyn? This should help. Destitute, self-pitying, public school pervert, Toby Young says that a Corbyn government will mean he has to sell his house! pic.twitter.com/Yy9VIEK9Wy

— John Spiers (@squeezyjohn) December 13, 2018

calzino, Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:22 (one month ago) Permalink

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DuTW1OqX4AAhKwL.jpg

beautiful.

calzino, Thursday, 13 December 2018 15:24 (one month ago) Permalink

Stick that on posters the length and breadth of the land - Young's face on the left, this text on the right - Labour landslide.

It's Beginning to Look a Lot Like Christ (Tom D.), Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:45 (one month ago) Permalink

I knew he was butthurt about losing the education post when he was presenting a R4 program about Character and repeatedly kept mentioning how he was hounded out of a job by the twitter mob. But didn't realise he'd managed to poison all the other wells he was drinking from, apart from the fucking Spectator of course!

calzino, Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:51 (one month ago) Permalink

I'll say a prayer for Toby (that he ends up homeless and dies on the streets).

calzino, Thursday, 13 December 2018 16:57 (one month ago) Permalink

one month passes...

God I hate Jimmy Bollix SO MUCH.

Stepping in to defend journalists at the Mail & Sun:

This is predictably getting piled-on (the irony of complaining about abuse and its dangers when you cause frequent abusive pile-ons aside) – but: plenty of journalists who do great, public interest work holding power to account started at newspapers OJ and co don't approve of. https://t.co/nERSyRcy5t

— James Ball (@jamesrbuk) January 14, 2019

Personally I'm referring to people who directly write articles whipping up hatred against minorities and women.

— Owen Jones🌹 (@OwenJones84) January 14, 2019

OJ offers the above as clarification AND THEN:

Other reasons people can find themselves at such outlets: people’s politics change, people grow up with Tory parents, people come from local news and get offered a secondment to a National their group owns that you’d be mad to then down, etc

— James Ball (@jamesrbuk) January 14, 2019

People may then change their view (none of which wd excuse writing the hateful stuff, but as has been noted, many don’t). Or not change their view but do we really hold someone doing casual sports shifts equal to Rod Liddle? And if our bar is that high aren’t readers on the hook?

— James Ball (@jamesrbuk) January 14, 2019

He’s such an awful cunt, how does he even have a job?!

gyac, Monday, 14 January 2019 15:37 (four days ago) Permalink

who wouldn't jump at the chance to earn a living inciting hatred if it meant secondment to a thriving national newspaper?

moaty, boaty, big and bloaty (Noodle Vague), Monday, 14 January 2019 17:24 (four days ago) Permalink

Am I being oversimplistic or are all the people scolding other writers for being choosy about which outlets they write for, straight and white?

suzy, Monday, 14 January 2019 19:32 (four days ago) Permalink

I don’t think JB is?

gyac, Monday, 14 January 2019 19:40 (four days ago) Permalink

I’m on a fair few FB groups for journalists/freelancers and many of the members write for Sun/Mail etc and of those, most of them HATE Owen Jones (I think they would all sell their grannies for his profile TBH but I’m sick of them saying he wouldn’t last a week in a newsroom blah blah blah).

suzy, Monday, 14 January 2019 20:16 (four days ago) Permalink

Yeah that doesn’t surprise me given how openly contemptuous a lot of the higher profile ones are on twitter. And definitely part jealousy but also the politics.

gyac, Monday, 14 January 2019 20:19 (four days ago) Permalink

Journo groups: GO HADLEY GO, BODY HIM
Twitter: Fuck off, Hadley, you’re a TERF

suzy, Monday, 14 January 2019 22:08 (four days ago) Permalink


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