I thought he/she was black/male/female/white etc..

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Tracy Chapman was tough on the first couple-a-spins.

christoff (christoff), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

Cher is Lebanese right? but always considered white...

also, whats with the dudes from System Of A Down - i've heard the singer's from the Lebanon but also from Albania - clarify?

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

Serj is of Armenian decent, but he was born & spent the first part of his life in a refugee camp in Beirut.

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:45 (twenty-one years ago) link

I thought the eerie falsetto bridge in Harry Chapin's "Taxi" was sung by some foxy LA session girl. I was shocked when he played American Bandstand and it turned out the lines were sung by his bass player, a burly, bearded hippy in overalls.

Arthur (Arthur), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

I always thought Arthur Lee was white.

Chris V. (Chris V), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 16:58 (twenty-one years ago) link

I knew reading all those bullshit guitar magazines as a teen would pay off: Tom Morello is half black, half white (I think his mom is black and his dad was white).

Nick A. (Nick A.), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

Close -- dad's black, etc.

All of System of a Down are Armenian-American. Glendale represent, and all that.

Cher's background is Armenian-American as well, I believe.

Terminator X's mom is German.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:32 (twenty-one years ago) link

When I first heard Little Jimmy Scott, I was sure he was a woman. D'oh!

nickalicious (nickalicious), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

I loved all the reviews of albums by the Negro Problem that talk about how the group's name was "offensive" and unacceptable, even though there's a black guy in the group. Thing is, the black guy is Stew, the band's leader and only enduring member. Maybe they were all thrown off because TNP do power-pop...because we know it "musta been a white guy."

Speaking of which, I was never fooled a bit by Third Bass, because I saw the "Gas Face" video before I heard the song. But I know some radio-lovin' friends who were snookered on that one.

Neudonym, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 17:41 (twenty-one years ago) link

I used to think Courtney Love was a white woman. Turns out out she's just a big, stupid cunt!

William R Henderson (Cabin Essence), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 18:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

one of the biggest disappointments in my life was finding out Todd Edwards is white

M Matos (M Matos), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 20:38 (twenty-one years ago) link

I used to think Courtney Love was a white woman. Turns out out she's just a big, stupid cunt!

hahahahahahahaha.

jillian (jillian), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 21:04 (twenty-one years ago) link

I'm still not entirely convinced that Jermaine Stewart was a man.

http://www.vh1.com/shared/media/images/sn_legacy/addict/AMG_images/artists/P08619.JPG

Curt1s St3ph3ns, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 21:06 (twenty-one years ago) link

"one of the biggest disappointments in my life was finding out Todd Edwards is white"

i did not know that

juiceboxxx (juiceboxxx), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 21:15 (twenty-one years ago) link

I thought Dr. John was black for a long time.
Anastacia sounds black, as well, although I saw
her before I heard her. Dang, she has a good
voice. Too bad her material is shite.

Squirrel_Police (Squirrel_Police), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 22:19 (twenty-one years ago) link

I SWORE that guy from Mr. Big was a woman when I saw the "To Be With You" video. I even made a bet with my sister on it (trying to intimidate her, I swore I saw another video where the singer was wearing a tight vinyl jumpsuit and BLATANTLY had breasts - total lie, and I was way wrong).

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 22:21 (twenty-one years ago) link

Inside the heaving hormonal mind of the teenage Anthony M.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 22:27 (twenty-one years ago) link

For some reason i thought the girl from Morcheeba was white..

sonic, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 22:36 (twenty-one years ago) link

i thought Brian Molko was a woman first time i saw the 'Nancy Boy' video

stevem (blueski), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 22:40 (twenty-one years ago) link

My friend thought Nina Simone was a man

sonic, Tuesday, 25 February 2003 23:47 (twenty-one years ago) link

I was probably 12 when that happened, actually.

Anthony Miccio (Anthony Miccio), Tuesday, 25 February 2003 23:49 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also, I thought Rick Astley was butch.
The first time I heard Rick Astley, I thought "What? Did Billy Ocean get a new producer? The mix must be flat or something...he sounds 'off' somehow."
Then I saw the skinny little white guy singing on MTV...

Lord Custos Epsilon (Lord Custos Epsilon), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 00:08 (twenty-one years ago) link

Jimmy Scott owns this thread

Jens (brighter), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 21:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

" And Dave Fuczinski (however you spell it), the guitarist from Screaming Headless Torsoes...totally black, to my surprise. "

now i'm confused.
the double-neck guitar sportin' David Fiuczynski that i was occasionally staring at -- from the radio booth, doing a live broadcast from a jazz fest in 2000, where D.F. was perfroming with Victor Bailey's group (and wadda a shite group, except for most of Kenny Garrett's contribution) -- well, that guitar man was anything but black...

t\'\'t (t\'\'t), Wednesday, 26 February 2003 22:56 (twenty-one years ago) link

I thought Hamid Drake was fat.

Jordan (Jordan), Thursday, 27 February 2003 00:22 (twenty-one years ago) link

Me at 16: Oh, Stevie Ray Vaughn is white?
but he's not, totally. He's got like really white skin but really "black" features.

Dan I., Thursday, 27 February 2003 07:52 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh, shit, maybe I've got him (Fiuczynski) confused with someone else altogether.

Once I played Fishbone for my uncle, and about three-quarters-way through the album (it was Truth and Soul) he saw the album cover and was like "No way! These dudes are black?" and I'm like "Have you been listening? Did you miss that song that went 'when you're a fly in the buttermilk, they chase ya all through the night'!?!"

nickalicious (nickalicious), Thursday, 27 February 2003 14:30 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...
Salma Hayek is part-Lebanese? These Arabo-Latino women completely melt my brain.

Rockist Scientist (rockistscientist), Thursday, 4 March 2004 20:59 (twenty years ago) link

First time I heard 'Wuthering Heights' I pictured Kate Bush as some mad old bag.

LondonLee (LondonLee), Thursday, 4 March 2004 21:04 (twenty years ago) link

i thought the eurythmics had a dude singer the first time i heard "sweet dreams." sounded kinda like the dude singer from the pet shop boys, in fact.

fact checking cuz (fcc), Thursday, 4 March 2004 21:05 (twenty years ago) link

When I first heard "Holiday," I thought Madonna was black. Hard to believe that it was possible to only hear a Madonna song, without an accompanying video, but for about a week it was.


Prediction: This thread will soon turn into a discussion of "what is white anyway?" Which is a good question.


I guess I'm helping it along, aren't I?

Rick Massimo (Rick Massimo), Thursday, 4 March 2004 21:29 (twenty years ago) link

wow, I thought Rick Astley was a large black man as well.

Dan Selzer (Dan Selzer), Thursday, 4 March 2004 21:35 (twenty years ago) link

q-lazzarus sounds like a DUDE MAN

cutty (mcutt), Thursday, 4 March 2004 21:40 (twenty years ago) link

i thought the middle one out of Hanson was a girl AND i kinda fancied her/him. same goes for Brian Placebo. was pretty shocked to find out they were boys.

donny dorko, Friday, 5 March 2004 01:59 (twenty years ago) link

You can tell w/Brian now; he's got some fierce male pattern baldness going on.

Donna Brown (Donna Brown), Friday, 5 March 2004 01:59 (twenty years ago) link

q-lazzarus sounds like a DUDE MAN

and a white one at that! which the singer is not.
i thought the singer for cha cha cohen was a guy, but am only going on the word of my ex who claims it's a girl (never seen a pic).

Dr. Annabel Lies (Michael Kelly), Friday, 5 March 2004 02:41 (twenty years ago) link

Tracey Chapman owns this thread.

roxymuzak (roxymuzak), Friday, 5 March 2004 05:25 (twenty years ago) link

Some examples of partially-Lebanese folks: Salma Hayek, Shakira, Shannon Elizabeth, Ralph Nader, Dick Dale, nickalicious, Frank Zappa...

Frank Zappa? Italian.

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 5 March 2004 16:50 (twenty years ago) link

Here's one more person who thought Rick Astley was a large black man

Joe Kay (feethurt), Friday, 5 March 2004 17:26 (twenty years ago) link

I thought Zappa was Jewish...

no opinion, Friday, 5 March 2004 17:27 (twenty years ago) link

Shaddap ya face... I thought Sean Paul was black

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 5 March 2004 17:29 (twenty years ago) link

sean paul is bi-racial (mulatto)!

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 5 March 2004 17:29 (twenty years ago) link

Well so was Bob Marley but at least he looked like a black guy

Dadaismus (Dada), Friday, 5 March 2004 17:30 (twenty years ago) link

Isn't Sean Paul from Toronto? Or are my friends lying bastards? Or are the just stupid?

nickalicious (nickalicious), Friday, 5 March 2004 18:49 (twenty years ago) link

whenever I hear Alison Moyet, it takes me a second to realize that's not a (probably very gay) man singing.

Shakey Mo Collier, Friday, 5 March 2004 18:56 (twenty years ago) link

sean paul is jamaican. snow is from toronto.

(i might be wrong but it seems appropriate.)

cutty (mcutt), Friday, 5 March 2004 19:04 (twenty years ago) link

when i first heard rage against the machine i thought it was fronted by a black woman

thought randy newman was black

jkld, Friday, 5 March 2004 21:02 (twenty years ago) link

I thought Batman was actually part bat. Now I know better.

dick grayson, Friday, 5 March 2004 21:10 (twenty years ago) link

The guy singing back-up on the Smithereens' "A Girl Like You". Very surprised that it wasn't a woman.

Pleasant Plains (Pleasant Plains), Friday, 5 March 2004 21:12 (twenty years ago) link

Casey Casem (Kasem?) and Danny Thomas (hence Marlo is at least 1/2) are also Lebanese.

nickn (nickn), Friday, 5 March 2004 21:14 (twenty years ago) link

I first thought both Babe Ruth and Amon Duul II were fronted by men singing in Plant/Anderson/Lee register.

I thought for the longest time that Sandy Denny's parts in "Battle of Evermore" were a second Plant track, and I still have a bit of difficulty not hearing it that way.

jmm, Saturday, 21 May 2022 14:29 (one year ago) link

Also like many people, I assumed Nick Gilder was a woman when listening to "Hot Child in the City".

MarkoP, Saturday, 21 May 2022 14:38 (one year ago) link

For many years, I thought Irene Cara was white, and while posting this I figured out I've been wrong for many years further in assuming she was black - she's biracial!

Vinnie, Saturday, 21 May 2022 15:48 (one year ago) link

I thought for the longest time that Sandy Denny's parts in "Battle of Evermore" were a second Plant track, and I still have a bit of difficulty not hearing it that way.

Haha I think I heard it that way until I read otherwise at 13 or so. It was a little disappointing; I'd been really impressed by how he could just flip into such a pure tone in that register. Conversely, my friend asked "who's the babe?" when Peter Hamill switched to his pure falsetto voice on "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" (ironically, first on the line "I am a lonely man").

No purposes. Sounds. (Sund4r), Saturday, 21 May 2022 15:54 (one year ago) link

lol Sund4r ...

xp re kd lang : definitely heteronormativity probably plays a major role in some of this for when we were kids and mis-gendering based on lyrics

sarahell, Saturday, 21 May 2022 18:09 (one year ago) link

None of my friends believe me that “goodbye horses” was sung by a woman.

✖✖✖ (Moka), Sunday, 22 May 2022 02:42 (one year ago) link

Conversely, my friend asked "who's the babe?" when Peter Hamill switched to his pure falsetto voice on "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" (ironically, first on the line "I am a lonely man").

this part always confounds me too, his falsetto never sounds that uh...pure elsewhere

frogbs, Sunday, 22 May 2022 02:46 (one year ago) link

Peter Hamill switched to his pure falsetto voice

My friend didn't believe that Hammill was doing the high background vocals on "Hemlock".

Halfway there but for you, Sunday, 22 May 2022 02:48 (one year ago) link

Keith Jarrett tells a great story of how Ornette Coleman says to him "you just have to be black" and Jarrett replies, "I'm working on it."

― joni mitchell jarre (anagram), Saturday, May 21, 2022 8:43 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

holy shit. i have seen many pictures of keith jarrett for many years and STILL thought he was black. i am in serious shock.

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Sunday, 22 May 2022 14:10 (one year ago) link

I always thought the lead singer on the We Five version of "You Were On My Mind" was a man...but it was Beverly Bivens.

I still hear her voice on that song as "male" somehow.

gjoon1, Sunday, 22 May 2022 21:24 (one year ago) link

Been listening a lot to an album by an artist with what seems like a normal woman’s first and last name. Just found out it’s a trio of dudes. The music is still excellent but can we stop doing this?

— clipping. (@clppng) May 22, 2022

but also fuck you (unperson), Sunday, 22 May 2022 21:28 (one year ago) link

That woman’s name: Zeze Topp

Bob Dylan's iconic Ray Ban sunglasses (morrisp), Sunday, 22 May 2022 21:40 (one year ago) link

Alice Cooper

Siegbran, Sunday, 22 May 2022 21:45 (one year ago) link


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