I'm cooking really badly at the moment

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yeah i was gonna say...

also i basically always want steak, it's a bad way to be

call all destroyer, Monday, 1 October 2012 20:33 (eleven years ago) link

Another thing I have been doing a lot lately -- creating huge amounts of smoke and setting off my alarm whenever I broil or sear. Maybe my range hood is just not that good.

has important things to say about gangnam style (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:42 (eleven years ago) link

i really like the stage of needing to do a bunch of shit at once when cooking. like ideally if it's only for a couple of people, & the kitchen isn't too hot, but having to chop the fuck out of a pepper while being conscious of the rice having absorbed its water & being in danger of burning, hearing mustard seeds pop & having to draw water from the tap at maximum speed to boil a kettle - it is the feeling of being alive.

ughhhhghgh why i hate cooking in one sentence.

We demand justice: who murdered Chanel? (Matt P), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link

+why it takes me three hours and i make 1-2 dishes max.

We demand justice: who murdered Chanel? (Matt P), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:43 (eleven years ago) link

xxpost hurting I hear you on the smoke thing. Our kitchen doesn't have a range so I have to remember to open the windows, and/or put on the whole-house fan otherwise I set off the smoke alarm doing something cook sausages, lol

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:45 (eleven years ago) link

^^ Why we don't have a smoke alarm in our exhaust-fan-less kitchen.

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:46 (eleven years ago) link

we had to take the one out of the kitchen for that reason, but there's still one in the adjoining computer room that'll go off

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:47 (eleven years ago) link

I have definitely found that reducing the amount of oil/fat you cook with can help -- that's what smokes.

has important things to say about gangnam style (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:50 (eleven years ago) link

I like having a bunch of dishes going at once, but I try to have all the meez done for them before I start. Nothing like the OH SHIIIIII of getting to the last crucial moment when the sauce has reduced to the perfect consistency and realizing I hadn't chopped the finishing fresh herbs yet.

Death Grits 2 (WmC), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:51 (eleven years ago) link

sausages are just a pain in the ass to cook without some smoke, because you want the browning and blehhh I mostly make Mr Veg to do them outside. we don't have them very often, thankfully

the few times I've had to do a high temperature oven roasting is just "BE READY WITH THE BROOMSTICK TO SWITCH OFF THE SMOKE DETECTOR IN 3 2 1"...ugh

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:53 (eleven years ago) link

I like having a bunch of dishes going at once, but I try to have all the meez done for them before I start. Nothing like the OH SHIIIIII of getting to the last crucial moment when the sauce has reduced to the perfect consistency and realizing I hadn't chopped the finishing fresh herbs yet.

― Death Grits 2 (WmC), Monday, October 1, 2012 4:51 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah it was pretty revelatory when i realized i needed to do ALL THE PREP first

call all destroyer, Monday, 1 October 2012 20:55 (eleven years ago) link

yeah I'm kind of ocd about doing all of my meez. especially for long involved dishes

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:56 (eleven years ago) link

btw for the budget-minded, my knife-collecting father-in-law just got us a pair of nogent micro-serrated knives, which are holy shit the best inexpensive knives ever. They're very light weight and don't have the forged look/feel but they are SO sharp and apparently never need sharpening.

has important things to say about gangnam style (Hurting 2), Monday, 1 October 2012 20:57 (eleven years ago) link

Now that I've inherited a dishwasher and I can just throw a bunch of empty small prep bowls in the top rack, I can look a big meal's worth of meez and say "nyah nyah"

Death Grits 2 (WmC), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link

Salt and acid (lemon, vinegar) will fix just about any blandness imo. Also something for subtle umami (couple of drops of Worcester or fish sauce, or some anchovy).

quincie, Monday, 1 October 2012 21:03 (eleven years ago) link

I lurve my prep bowls except they aren't big enough for piles of chopped veg so I use an extra dinner plate for groups of everything I'm going to add.

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:09 (eleven years ago) link

I know they say about "authentic" Italian food that the grandmas who make it don't even use cutting boards, they just cut things up over the bowl with a paring knife, but fuck it, I gotta be ready.

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:10 (eleven years ago) link

mr veg found these tiny little stainless steel plates? dishes? about the size of the palm of yr hand that are perfect for spice meez :D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:11 (eleven years ago) link

meez?

The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link

meal prep steez?

The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:36 (eleven years ago) link

'read more than I talk to people or watch tv' pronunciation curse strikes again

The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:38 (eleven years ago) link

pretty sure my mom suffers from the same thing since she calls it her 'mice on place'

The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link

as do did I

The Most Typical and Popular Girl Rider (Crabbits), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:39 (eleven years ago) link

Might start calling it my mice on plates, just because.

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Monday, 1 October 2012 21:50 (eleven years ago) link

i don't usually call it anything
don't even think i've ever said it out loud, in fact!

these albatrosses have no fear of man (La Lechera), Monday, 1 October 2012 22:05 (eleven years ago) link

I usually just refer to it as "prep" and resent it for taking longer than the actual cooking.

purveyor of generations (in orbit), Monday, 1 October 2012 22:06 (eleven years ago) link

I learned the term from that first Bourdain article in the New Yorker, way back in prehistory or 2000, whichever came first.

Death Grits 2 (WmC), Monday, 1 October 2012 22:08 (eleven years ago) link

I learned it from Bourdain too

I only say it online or to Mr Veg bc I think I sound cooler that way

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 October 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link

*hangs head*

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 October 2012 22:20 (eleven years ago) link

Today my potato leek soup was sort of bland and last night my made from scratch spaghetti sauce that I roasted tomatoes for was also sort of bland. I've been using salt while cooking, fresh herbs, and making everything from quality ingredients, where am I going wrong?

overcooking no doubt

the late great, Monday, 1 October 2012 22:26 (eleven years ago) link

I love saying it out loud. Meez. MEEEEEEZZZZZZ. Got my meez, gonna turn it into an omelette. Like the "makin' copies" guy from SNL.

Death Grits 2 (WmC), Monday, 1 October 2012 22:27 (eleven years ago) link

sausages should be boiled in beer - you don't need to cook them that much over boiling so if you cover them on a skillet with just enough water to cover the point where the sausage touches the skillet (so like 1/4 cup or less), beer or anything not oil-based in the bottom of the skillet, and cover it, the steam temperature will be plenty to cook it, then sear with a super-hot grill pan for not very long with the window open, voila not too much smoke. depending on shape/size of grill pan you could do boath in the same pan when the boiling stuff has sizzled off into nothingness

the late great, Monday, 1 October 2012 22:29 (eleven years ago) link

also the thing about salt is that you don't just add it arbitrarily at certain parts of the cooking

you want to add salt when you want to tenderize meat, so for example in a soup stock you would cook with salt, but throw out the vegetables, because the salt destroys the cell walls of the vegetables

OTOH you want to do that to finished vegetables, so sea salt on top of your finished vegetables is important

my advice to learn how to use salt is to read good recipes and follow them precisely, and you'll get a a sense of when and how much salt to add

the late great, Monday, 1 October 2012 22:32 (eleven years ago) link

salt pulls juices out of vegetables, so if they're quite dry, like eggplant, you start with salt, but if they're wet, like tomatoes, don't add salt until the end

etc etc etc

the late great, Monday, 1 October 2012 22:33 (eleven years ago) link

sausages boiled in beer? that is almost as crazy as duck boiled in coke. definitely giving it a go.

I got the Boyzone, I got the remedy (ledge), Monday, 1 October 2012 22:36 (eleven years ago) link

they're more steamed in beer than boiled

the alcohol tenderizes the skin, the even heat keeps the sausage from cracking and spilling its delicious juice too early

if you want the burned juices crust do that at the last second by mashing into dry sizzling skillet/grill pan with a fork (gently)

the late great, Monday, 1 October 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link

i took joycean pleasure in writing that btw

the late great, Monday, 1 October 2012 22:40 (eleven years ago) link

is that steaming thing applicable to already-cooked sausages?

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 October 2012 22:41 (eleven years ago) link

overcooking no doubt
I was under the impression the longer you cook a sauce or soup on low heat, the more the bring out the flavors?

JacobSanders, Monday, 1 October 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link

now i want sausages
xps

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 1 October 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link

and beer

obliquity of the ecliptic (rrrobyn), Monday, 1 October 2012 22:42 (eleven years ago) link

brats dude

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 1 October 2012 22:46 (eleven years ago) link

I was under the impression the longer you cook a sauce or soup on low heat, the more the bring out the flavors?

each flavor cooks at a different heat

each flavor needs to be cooked a certain amount to be coaxed out of the food

for example, penne alla vodka:

cook the onions on super high heat for one minute, then slowly on medium with constant movement for five to six

that's a classic onion preparation but the idea is puncture the cell walls, five or six minutes of letting the cells sweat out the water and let everything else cook down into sweeter sugars

then you raise the heat to nuclear (oil should be splattering everywhere) and then the tomatoes go sliding in. similar idea, break the cell walls you even let them start to uh, not burn or crisp, i forget the word, really kinda dehydrate and then you add the vodka and it sucks up the heat by vaporizing and in the meantime it chemically cures the tomato, which you keep on high simmer while the pasta cooks just to dehydrate. and then adding the unrinsed salty pasta to the cooked-down tomato (as the pasta finishes) adds the salt that finally breaks down the remaining cell walls of the tomato, inside which the tomato sugars are caramelizing, and the salted pasta grabs the oily tomato sauce and the boiling water stuck to the pasta loosens the tomato-tomato molecule bonds so it's nice and creamy (or something)

so the point is not low or high heat, it's just dependent on what you're making

now that's a sauce, not a soup

but with a soup i think you generally want to bring to boil for same reasons, and then cook for like an hour or two on a simmer, and then TOSS everything in there and start again on medium heat, adding the things you want to cook in roughly order of time it takes to cook them, then simmer high at the end super briefly if you're adding anything back in (like chicken from the soup stock) and let cool.

otherwise what you're talking about is making a stock and not a soup, if you're starting a soup with stock then you could cook briefly at high simmer or slowly on low simmer depending on what you are trying to do w/ each vegetable / grain / meat texture

the late great, Monday, 1 October 2012 22:54 (eleven years ago) link

when i say TOSS i mean DISCARD everything that's been slow cooking for 1-2 hours, or if it's stern stuff that takes 1-2 hrs to cook perhaps blend, but that would be some seriously tough veg

you may want to experiment with starting off salty and never adding any more salt until finished, that's traditional in italy i think

also in a stock you add the spices (except salt) after the boil, i think, because you don't want to break down their flavor by cooking at boiling heat, and the aromatics go in the soup proper and not the stock (say cilantro) so don't slow cook away the aromas!

the late great, Monday, 1 October 2012 22:58 (eleven years ago) link

That's one of the most informative postings I have read on ilx, thanks!

JacobSanders, Monday, 1 October 2012 23:06 (eleven years ago) link

all i did is just get some *simple* books (like nigel slater level) and followed them religiously and after awhile you get the sense of timing of heat and salt and that's kinda it to cooking

the late great, Monday, 1 October 2012 23:14 (eleven years ago) link

welp

We demand justice: who murdered Chanel? (Matt P), Monday, 1 October 2012 23:24 (eleven years ago) link

it's like i just learned a new language.

We demand justice: who murdered Chanel? (Matt P), Monday, 1 October 2012 23:25 (eleven years ago) link


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