DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived post-Murdoch era

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Cripplingly dull conference speech by Osborne, including Godwin's law-style mention of the Ps of E: http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/politics/2012/10/george-osbornes-speech-conservative-conference-full-text

"We will finish the job we have started."

Oh please don't

Get wolves (DL), Monday, 8 October 2012 14:08 (eleven years ago) link

What jobs that then? Ensuring that benefit claimants kill themselves in record numbers?

Hello, Good Evening and Expenses (Tom D.), Monday, 8 October 2012 14:17 (eleven years ago) link

But just as we should never balance the budget on the backs of the poor;

So it's an economic delusion to think you can balance it only on the wallets of the rich.

T/S broken back vs. broken wallet... either way, it's Broken Britain folks!

Hello, Good Evening and Expenses (Tom D.), Monday, 8 October 2012 14:20 (eleven years ago) link

Headline on front of last night's Standard: "WORKERS URGED TO GIVE UP RIGHTS." Never in my worst nightmares did I dream, etc. How the fuck did we get to this, allow this to happen?

They must think people are complete idiots. If the idea is that your employer is struggling to the extent that it can't afford basic employment rights, then why on earth would any sane person give up those rights for shares in it?

Obviously it won't be voluntary and some firms will probably hire entire workforces on that basis. Assuming this can clear every obstacle and legal objection on the way which I find unlikely.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:00 (eleven years ago) link

How the fuck did we get to this, allow this to happen?

Ask Nick Clegg

Hello, Good Evening and Expenses (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:03 (eleven years ago) link

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPELE JUST ALAJRLKJ ARL;KJKLA;WEJR LNMAWEL;RKJ LAKSDJR OPENING UP ANY SOURCE OF NEWS AT ALL IS AN IMPOSSIBLE SOURCE OF RAGE AT THE MOMENT PLEASE CAN I JUST BE PUT TO SLEEP FOR THE NEXT 3 YEARS OR POSSIBLY FOREVER IF THEY WIN THE NEXT ELECTION TOO.

Sorry I wish I had something more coherent to say any more, but just AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHH.

White Chocolate Cheesecake, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:03 (eleven years ago) link

Boris is cute, though!

glumdalclitch, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:04 (eleven years ago) link

i am currently at the tory conference. woke up this morning, blearily saw this headline, assumed i must have misread, straight into breakfast meeting where i heard dude from the CSJ waxing lyrical about this fucking policy! only barely a paraphrase: "why are we so worried about the ~perfect job~ when all young people want is any sort of job at all?"

so glad i was sitting next to a lady from unicef who was as outraged by it all as i was (she kept her cool admirably when fraser nelson told her off for linking child poverty to the cuts)

btw this is my 4th tory conference and the level of sheer...unpleasantness and smugness is way way above any previous one i've been to. was trapped in boiling room with daniel hannan yelling endlessly about europe for 1.5 hrs yesterday ;_;

lex pretend, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:08 (eleven years ago) link

uproarious tory laughter is one of the most unpleasant sounds known to men

lex pretend, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:09 (eleven years ago) link

I note they've taken this moment to pander to the Daily Mail and say its now basically okay to shoot whoever you want on your land.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:10 (eleven years ago) link

i am currently at the tory conference

My thoughts are with you at this dreadful time

Hello, Good Evening and Expenses (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:11 (eleven years ago) link

In other news the Scottish Labour Party are proposing to:

Abolish free care for the elderly
Abolish free travel for the elderly
Abolish free prescriptions
Introduce top-up education fees
Withdraw any Council Tax freezes in place
Significantly reduce the number of apprenticeships available

because Scotland cannot be "the only something for nothing country in the world."

passive-aggressive display name (aldo), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:14 (eleven years ago) link

fraser nelson told her off for linking child poverty to the cuts

She should have told him of for his stupid made-up accent

Hello, Good Evening and Expenses (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:18 (eleven years ago) link

Well, that's any move back to Scotland scuppered. Also any possibility of my ever voting Labour again.

Boris is cute, though!

HOLY FUCKING CHRIST IS THAT ALL THAT MATTERS TO YOU FUCKING RETARDED PEOPLE, FOR FUCK'S SAKE MANKIND, EVOLVE AND EVOLVE NOW!!!!!

Sorry, I am aware that there was probably a huge amount of irony in that post but you know, had to let it out somehow because that's exactly the basis that dumbass British people will use for voting next time. See also USA where apparently getting bin Laden and reducing unemployment to 7.8% don't count for as much as having "killer one-liners."

It's like, in 2015, why even bother with policies or manifestos? Why not just line the leaders up on a catwalk with signs around their neck and people can vote for them on the basis of how "fit" they are?

She should have told him of for his stupid made-up accent

i keep wondering what his accent IS/is meant to be, some kind of strangulated transatlantic-with-hint-of-scottish thing?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:20 (eleven years ago) link

I think it's a "right wing tosser and therefore ashamed to come from the only something for nothing country in the world" accent

Hello, Good Evening and Expenses (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:22 (eleven years ago) link

Michael Gove Syndrome, then. I apologise for not having done something about Mr Gove when I had the chance.

.. and, by the way, if anyone would know about getting something for nothing it would be the Scottish Labout Party, they've been getting votes for years and doing sweet FA in return

Hello, Good Evening and Expenses (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:26 (eleven years ago) link

(xp) Then there's Norman Lamont who's too ashamed to even pronounce his own name properly!

Hello, Good Evening and Expenses (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:27 (eleven years ago) link

"In Politics" by Norman Lamont; sexy book (if your idea of "sexy" is endless balance sheets and minutes of meetings).

I note they've taken this moment to pander to the Daily Mail and say its now basically okay to shoot whoever you want on your land.

tory guy on r4 this morning used the phrase "grossly disproportionate" about 12 billion times, discussing this nonsensical plank, and saying the law should ensure the courts don't get involved (um?).

Trad., Arrrgh (stevie), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:33 (eleven years ago) link

So basically it's the Magnum Force argument of shooting your neighbour because his dog peed on your lawn. Given that was dialogue spoken by Clint "Like Chair, Like Brain" Eastwood, that shows how far this nuttiness has gone.

they do seem to be cadging from the republican playbook at the moment - can only imagine this limit-abortions-to-12-weeks garbage is an attempt to shore up some kind of religious fundamentalist support/a chance to engage in some "morality"-fuelled slut-shaming and general misogyny.

Trad., Arrrgh (stevie), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 09:42 (eleven years ago) link

Eerily prophetic Guardian thinkpiece from 2010 about the Tories and the fundamentalist Right: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2010/may/10/evangelical-religion-tory-conservatives

"If I'm a mop then you are a broom, a broom that is cleaning up the mess left by the Labour government and a fantastic job you are doing.

"And I thank you and I congratulate you and your colleagues George Osborne the dustpan, Michael Gove the J-cloth, William Hague the sponge."

^Boris, obv.

Jeff W, Tuesday, 9 October 2012 17:53 (eleven years ago) link

Fucking twat, obv.

Hello, Good Evening and Expenses (Tom D.), Tuesday, 9 October 2012 18:09 (eleven years ago) link

What's the phrase again? Oh yeah, "My God, it's full of shit".

Work hard. Family comes first. But put back in to the community too. There is nothing complicated about me. I believe in working hard, caring for my family and serving my country. And there is nothing complicated about what we need today.
This is still the greatest country on earth. We showed that again this summer. 22nd in world population. 3rd in the medals table.
But it’s tough. These are difficult times. We’re being tested.

fish frosch (seandalai), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 11:40 (eleven years ago) link

I believe in working hard, caring for my family and serving my country.

whatever he's for, i'm against it

thread lock holiday (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 11:44 (eleven years ago) link

I believe in looking like I'm a and c in order to b.

I am the one and (onimo), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 11:54 (eleven years ago) link

"There is only one real route out of poverty and it is work."

needs a little shortening, but has real potential to work as a slogan on the iron gates of jobcentres imo.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 12:45 (eleven years ago) link

22nd in world population. 3rd in the medals table.

He stopped short of "One world cup, two world wars" then

Hello, Good Evening and Expenses (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 12:49 (eleven years ago) link

the olympics in a nutshell, we spent a fucking bajillion quid on this sporting village fair so we could use it to get re-elected.

Know how Roo feel (LocalGarda), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 12:52 (eleven years ago) link

"Britain may not be in the future what it has been in the past”

Here's hoping!

Hello, Good Evening and Expenses (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 12:52 (eleven years ago) link

Full quote:

"Unless we act, unless we take difficult, painful decisions, unless we show determination and imagination, Britain may not be in the future what it has been in the past”

Hello, Good Evening and Expenses (Tom D.), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 12:53 (eleven years ago) link

"There is only one real route out of poverty and it is work."

just ask one of the millions of playboy pensioners currently sunning themselves in the Caribbean after 50 years of employment

thread lock holiday (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 15:26 (eleven years ago) link

'We're being tested'! Fuck me. That and the 'rules' stuff he always goes on about - 'we're after people who don't play by the rules'. I'm sure it's a deliberate part of the rhetoric to emphasise the concept of debt/pain/hard work/misery is ok, but it's weirdly millennial. If we go through enough suffering we'll be rewarded by the ultimate authority. There's a bullshit extraordinarily trite moral narrative that goes like that, but it bears no resemblance to history or more importantly to how a country looks after the people who live in it: suffering and misery are suffering and misery, not pathways to glory, other than for the entitled cunts who have an interest in preserving things that way. I know everyone knows this, but even so, FUCK.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:19 (eleven years ago) link

particular highlights of tory conference:

- andrew lilico calling 75% of govt spending merely "nice-to-have" luxuries; his examples were opera, the olympics and helping the poor
- kwasi kwarteng declaring that the last 50 years have been a disaster for britain and we need to return to, basically, the 19th century
- hatchet-faced businesswoman delegate who ferociously interrogated a fringe panel with the question on everyone's lips: "in INDIA they NEVER talk about work-life balance. IS IT A MYTH????" (even this particular panel of MPs drew back a bit)
- dominic raab blethering on about the decline of the western work ethic, made me want to do nothing for the rest of my life but slob around in a dressing gown staring vacantly out of the window
- overhearing two guys behind me comparing notes on how the gates in their respective gated developments worked

lex pretend, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:34 (eleven years ago) link

not that labour conference was particularly inspiring, it was just less actively hateful

lib dem conference seemed even more irrelevant than ever if that was even possible

lex pretend, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:35 (eleven years ago) link

perfect representation of UK politics in 2012 then

thread lock holiday (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:38 (eleven years ago) link

oh yeah and a friend of mine was at a fringe where a tory mp welcomed localism because it would mean housebuilders wouldn't need to build more affordable housing

lex pretend, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 20:39 (eleven years ago) link

Who do you cover this for, lex?

stet, Wednesday, 10 October 2012 23:32 (eleven years ago) link

Jesus Christ, this article:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/oct/10/conservative-conference-return-nasty-party

Afterwards, I speak to a very tall, incredibly gentle elderly man from London, and ask why he thinks Cameron is so determined to force this unpopular policy on his party. "I really don't know," he ponders softly, bemused. "But the Tory party is obsessed with trying to be modern. It goes in a sort of sequence: to start off, you mustn't be prejudiced against BME [black and minority ethnic] people. Then women. Then it leads to the homosexuals. But you can't help being BME or a woman. Whether or not you can help being born with a homosexual orientation I don't know, but it is possible to refrain from practising. To be honest, I'm more or less bisexual myself. I find women attractive but men easier to get on with. I've never married. But I abstain. It is possible, you know."

Stay strong, lex!

fish frosch (seandalai), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 23:34 (eleven years ago) link

maybe thanks to lex and other twitterers i'm more aware of this tory conference than i have been in the past, but it seems, amazingly, magnitudes more repulsive than it usually is. am i wrong in seeing it like that?

Perfect Chicken Forever (Merdeyeux), Wednesday, 10 October 2012 23:44 (eleven years ago) link

It's p much always been staring into the abyss as I recall.

stet, Thursday, 11 October 2012 00:02 (eleven years ago) link

‘When I used to push my son Ivan around in his wheelchair, I always thought that some people saw the wheelchair, not the boy.’
‘I think today more people would see the boy and not the wheelchair – and that’s because we have decided to cut the wheelchair budget!" (applause)

^ sarcasm (ken c), Thursday, 11 October 2012 00:15 (eleven years ago) link

maybe thanks to lex and other twitterers i'm more aware of this tory conference than i have been in the past, but it seems, amazingly, magnitudes more repulsive than it usually is. am i wrong in seeing it like that?

no, i got that impression too, and a few people i talked to at the conference felt the same way. definitely less...holding back. stuff that would've have been vague dogwhistles in the past, people just came right out and said. i think i was at a couple of the same events as aitkenhead - the adam smith institute one was endlessly hellish not least cuz it was so packed and overheated, plus daniel hannan remains possibly the most viscerally loathsome tory mp of them all - but the britannia unchained stuff was kinda more terrifying because it's clearly being pushed by the rising stars of the party (kwasi kwarteng was easily the most basically stupid mp i encountered over all three conferences (there's a lot of competition)). i would say that the tories are becoming more racially diverse every year i go though, their efforts to reach out to the asian community in particular seem to be paying off.

(i covered it for a company i used to work full-time for, for private clients, so not really with my journalist hat on)

lex pretend, Thursday, 11 October 2012 07:51 (eleven years ago) link

I read the Aitkenhead piece - interesting that the conference is ostensibly viewing Boris as their sort of Tony Benn mascot figure, i.e. God bless him but we don't want him leading. At least, that's what they say now but I've no idea whether that's what they're inwardly thinking.

Here he is with the classic "Poème Électronique." Good track (Marcello Carlin), Thursday, 11 October 2012 09:10 (eleven years ago) link


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