I've been using Ableton in live settings, mainly for short sets, for about eight months. Recently I landed a couple of weekly residencies, one of which is geared towards more eclectic music programming. I decided to try Ableton for a full five hour night last Friday with disastrous results. About an hour into it, the program started randomly dropping out the sound. The dropouts ranged from microsecond glitches to 1 or 2 seconds of dead silence. Really embarrassing.
I bought Serato the next day, played at the club that night and had zero problems. knock. on. wood. Ableton has been relegated to the studio computer only.
I can speak from personal experience when I say that there's definitely a different energy with Ableton mixing in a live setting. The best way I can describe it is that the crowd > DJ feedback loop feels mediated by the computer. I don't get that feeling with Serato or Final Scratch though.
― jeffery (jeffery), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:25 (eighteen years ago) link
pretty much is the exact same as someone on the decks with real vinyl, as far as I could see.
― Ronan (Ronan), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:29 (eighteen years ago) link
that sounds like you need more ram. thankfully this has only happened to me once in recent memory and that was the other week in texas where there was so much bass vibration in the booth that my powerbook started freaking out. thankfully they were a very forgiving crowd.
there is a different energy from using ableton in a live setting which is why i use vinyl too but i think once you know your way round the software you learn little ways to make it sound, um, er, more jacking i guess is the best way to describe it.
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link
cool! do you do this by manually cutting and pasting bits of the wav/data? does Ableton quantize the file so you know where to reposition snares or whatever by looking as well as hearing?
― Sororah T Massacre (blueski), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:39 (eighteen years ago) link
Someone posted this a while ago, I still had it in my history. It's sadly the only thing I know about mixing on ableton.
― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:42 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.optimo.co.uk/hallelujah.jpg
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:44 (eighteen years ago) link
― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:46 (eighteen years ago) link
it sounds tedious... but handy! I'm surprised they haven't worked out a way to use Recycle! technology to basically learn and do it for you.
― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:47 (eighteen years ago) link
― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link
most of the guys i know around here do entire sets in traktor. i tried it a few times but couldn't get used to "seeing" a track to cue it up as opposed to "hearing" it. abelton has hardware that you can do this with, right?
stir- when you were talking about "fixing" a track and replacing beats.. is this what i'm hearing during "kiss me again" on that mix of yours up at ourdisco? the way a dance beat lines up with it for 8 or 16 bars and then drops out... is that something you "fix" ahead of time, and not drop in live?
also- is that the hallelujah edit that was on beatsinspace over the summer?
― grady (grady), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link
― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 17:59 (eighteen years ago) link
― jeffery (jeffery), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link
rubbish, it's the most reliable software i've ever used.
no, no. i would have added that on top live. i never pre prepare actual mixes. i meant i 'fixed' it so it stayed rigidly in time and when i say replacing beats, i more mean putting an additional kik or some sub bass on it so it 'kicks' a bit more than the original. as i play a lot of old records and new records, i have to do this as the production on the old records is so different that alongside the new ones they would sound a little weak over a soundsytem.
i'm not sure but very possibly.
jeffrey, i played in austin two weeks ago.
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:08 (eighteen years ago) link
rubbish, it's the most reliable software i've ever used.It was in reference to its automatic warp marker setting.
― jimnaseum (jimnaseum), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:13 (eighteen years ago) link
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― grady (grady), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:15 (eighteen years ago) link
― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:22 (eighteen years ago) link
― stirmonster (stirmonster), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link
― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 18:27 (eighteen years ago) link
this may sound horribly ignorant of me... but how do i do this with headphones if my computer only has one headphone jack....? do i need some kind of external hardware?
― grady (grady), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 20:05 (eighteen years ago) link
― dog latin (dog latin), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 20:09 (eighteen years ago) link
― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 20:42 (eighteen years ago) link
The only annoyances with MM6 are that you can't change the pitch and can't do that nifty 'unplug the record deck and let the record slow to a halt' trick. I use Acid and Cool Edit to make remixes and re-edits.
And Dog Latin and Grady, yeah you need an external soundcard. Plug that into your mixer via the USB port, then use the internal soundcard (headphone socket) to listen to mixing ahead, as your monitor.
(xpost)
― Affectian (Affectian), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 20:57 (eighteen years ago) link
― harshaw (jube), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― tylero (tylero), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:36 (eighteen years ago) link
― Renard (Renard), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:40 (eighteen years ago) link
― grady (grady), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:43 (eighteen years ago) link
― Renard (Renard), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 22:50 (eighteen years ago) link
This also could be heavy heavy heavy rationalization for all the $$$ I've spent on the damn black things....
― tylero (tylero), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:01 (eighteen years ago) link
Ok that sounds kind of ass-ey, but I'm definatley not referring to anybody in this thread here. All the mixes posted have been great and unique.
― tylero (tylero), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:02 (eighteen years ago) link
― Lukas (lukas), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:15 (eighteen years ago) link
I'm going to have to disagree with you here.
First, you're making the assumption that everyone DJing digitally is downloading their tunes from the P2P networks. Not to sound all high and mighty, but some of us do try to take the high road and support the artists we're playing, either by using any of the dozens of legal download sites like Beatport or by encoding vinyl and CDs for playing out and making mixes.
Distribution has always been a major concern with dance music, and the legal download phenomenon has begun to solve this while simultaneously leveling the playing field quite a bit, especially for people (like me) who live in towns with crappy record stores. Sure, I could order vinyl off the internet but what's the point if I can get the same tune as a download and avoid the shipping costs, long wait, etc?
― jeffery (jeffery), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:24 (eighteen years ago) link
― tylero (tylero), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:28 (eighteen years ago) link
maybe we need a new thread for discussions on all this digital DJ stuff?
― grady (grady), Tuesday, 7 March 2006 23:32 (eighteen years ago) link
― W i l l (common_person), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 00:02 (eighteen years ago) link
the we are back mix - re-uploaded as for some reason only 2/3rds of it would download. now up in it's full 100 meg glory, if oyu can call it that. also up is the xfm the remix superchunk mix thingy mentioned by someone up there ^ ^ ^ somewhere. it features the shockheaded peters / t. raumschmiere thing that some folk mention on ilm which i never did get round to extending. and a couple of odd eyed bastard tracks, named after my love of mr bowie. commissioned and rejected / unfinished etc.. by sony. i owe stir a drink for nicking his bass guitar.
― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Wednesday, 8 March 2006 03:24 (eighteen years ago) link
http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1H7V1XPPX47P937IOHYRA3KZIP
― Conor (Conor), Friday, 10 March 2006 17:10 (eighteen years ago) link
http://homepage.mac.com/drenard/.Public/DiscoMix.mp3
http://threethreefourfive.blogspot.com/2006/03/mix-of-month-3345-disco-mix.html
Lee Douglas - Same ChangesNancy Martin - Can't BelieveMike Theodore Orchestra - Cosmic WindCloud One - Spaced OutTheo Vaness - No RomancePadded Cell - Signal FailureMichael Zager Band - Let's All ChantMr. Magic - Potential 1980Anita Ward - Ring My BellLCD Soundsystem - Tribulations (Lindstrom Remix)
― Renard (Renard), Friday, 17 March 2006 07:35 (eighteen years ago) link
― frenchbloke (frenchbloke), Friday, 17 March 2006 09:18 (eighteen years ago) link
― Renard (Renard), Friday, 17 March 2006 15:01 (eighteen years ago) link
― Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 17 March 2006 15:21 (eighteen years ago) link
oblio - for the floor (70m, 192kps)
http://s49.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=28OJXMKR1XR5C2HU38KY6DS13R
reinhard voigt - how we rock1depeche mode - the darkest star (holden dub)pier bucci - l'nuitgui boratto - great matchali khan - waterbombguido schneider - bassismmarc ashken - carrotpetter - robotfoodbutane - a bus with wingsbutane - flexor (run stop restore remix)robag wruhme - waffellekkspanderalex smoke - tv is pishmagda - lockjawduoteque - adryamarc ashken - inside trackalex smoke - don't see the pointalter ego - daktari (matt john remix)
― mark (kingofnothing), Saturday, 18 March 2006 10:51 (eighteen years ago) link
http://threethreefourfive.blogspot.com/2006/03/quick-mix-vol-3.htmlhttp://homepage.mac.com/drenard/.Public/QuickMix3.mp3
dopplereffekt - myon-neutrinovillalobos - serpentintrentemoller - sunstrokefrank martiniq - boost (robag wruhme's bokkser mix)noze - tulip schnapsisolee - face b
― Renard (Renard), Monday, 27 March 2006 00:03 (eighteen years ago) link
― philip sherburne (philip sherburne), Monday, 27 March 2006 11:51 (eighteen years ago) link
http://www.callingallkids.tv/eamonharkinCAK4.mp3
1. ESG - Party
2. !!! - Turn This Thing On (Rub'n'tug Mix)
3. Hot Chip - Over And Over
4. Bauhaus - Kick In The Eye
5. Vitalic - My Friend Dario
6.The Undertones - Teenage Kicks
7. The Juan Maclean - Give Me Every Little Thing (Cajmere Mix)
8. The Gossip - Standing In The Way Of Control (Le Tigre Mix)
9. Skatt Brothers - Walk The Night
10. Liquid Liquid - Optimo
11. Jon Spencer Blues Explosion - Mars Arizona (DFA Mix)
11. Loose Joints - Is It All Over My Face?
12. New Order - Bizarre Love Triangle
13. Cut Copy - Going Nowhere (Digitalism Mix)
14. Gang Of Four - To Hell With Poverty
15. Chromatics - Healer
16. Delta 5 - Mind Your Own Business
― eamon harkin (harkine), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 00:21 (eighteen years ago) link
Ohm sweet Ohm part1
Ohm sweet Ohm part2
Errors – Hans HermanCopyshop – Mystery guest (darkfaders dub)Emperor Machine – Roller DaddyCan – Mothersky (PSK1 edit)Neu – Für ImmerDeath in Vegas – HeadBlackstrobe –Keine lust (front 242 rmx)Human League – Being boiled--------------------------------------------------------Tangerine Dream - Nebulous dawn (excerpt)Silver Apples – OscillationsShyza Minelli – New found acidIsolee – My Hi-maticPainted Nails – Hot doctorDelia & Gavin - Rise DFA mixNemesi – CosmicaFictional Character – From another world“Manhunter” Soundtrack – Grahams themeM83 – Don’t save us from the flames (superpitcher mix)Technova – Atmosphere
equipment = 2 turntables and a cup of Tea.(Sample overdubs excluded)
― Danny Boy, Tuesday, 28 March 2006 07:31 (eighteen years ago) link