should ilxors be tempbanned for taking their beefs to other social media? (twitter/fbook/myspace/etc)?

what boxall said

I asked, a week ago, for Mordy to fucking stop. And he carried on. I finally just have enough, of the clusterfuck taking over every goddamn thread, and now he's trying to be all high and mighty "please stop" because I actually asked for my chance to tell my side of the story?

All I have wanted for the past week was for this to fucking stop, and yet ILX could not resist dragging it back up at every turn.

We're not allowed to talk shit about ILX beefs in private? x-post

― Melissa W, Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

sure, but don't go on playing the victim about it

xp you shouldn't ascribe intentions to "ilx".

The clusterfuck just kept carrying on and carrying on

no it didn't, u were pretty much ignored until your friend caused it to be brought up on Monday. if u talk about someone publically on twitter as you were talking about mordy, they can talk about it here.

http://991.com/newGallery/Michael-Jackson-Man-In-The-Mirror-35195.jpg

I've already stated that I took my feed private bcz every time someone posts a link to it from here I get weird followers. The tweet is still there, I just don't like having to block ppl like Chaki and Whiney and Lagoon from trying to follow me bcz they think there's ~drama~ to be had, OK?

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, October 18, 2012 2:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i take umbrage at being lumped in w/these known hooligans!

im sick of the hypocrisy in this thread

but this thread is going nowhere and we need to avoid pile-ons. The facts are out there folks but no sign of apologies which tbh is all thats needed.

Apart from anything else, keeping frogbs concerned about poking his head out because someone is "constantly crying misogynist and mansplainer" is I hope a public good we can all agree on.

I just don't understand how someone can cause the exact same clusterfuck every month and then play victim afterwards.

ok everyone this is ILX and ILX is not about personal sniping across social media platforms. ILX is about Taylor Swift records and Tarantino films and disgruntled left-winger hand wringing. It's about trucker hats and talking dinosaurs and having hot chicks in our beds after we play awesome metal shows. we need to remember why we all came together to share our ideas about UK Funky House and Velvet Underground minutiae and Drake. we need to remember that we hate pitchfork but read it religiously, and that we're not cool with Amanda Palmer. we need to remember why we are who we are. in the name of Aaliyah, we need to remember.

amen

I stopped getting nasty emails about the Aaliyah death thread just a while ago actually.

*checks email script*

People here have already formed their opinions about who I am, and what my motivations are. Some people are going to believe that I'm an awful person and should be burned at the stake no matter what I do. Some people are going to accept me as flawed but fully rounded human being. There's nothing I can say or do at this point to change anyone's opinion of me.

But when someone starts calling for me to be banned because they are either unable to tell "mansplainer" from their name, or because they just flat out lied, I have the right to call them out on it. People have been calling me out for real or imagined transgressions for the past week, it seems only fair.

(for the record, since I guess you mean me?)

u were pretty much ignored until your friend caused it to be brought up on Monday.

Odd friends she's keeping

I'll try that again

"Some people are going to believe that I'm an awful person and should be burned at the stake no matter what I do. Some people are going to accept me as flawed but fully rounded human being."

I smell a poll.

Please don't. I'm serious.

There's nothing I can say or do at this point to change anyone's opinion of me.

not true! just be chill for a while.

and stop making up things

There's nothing I can say or do at this point to change anyone's opinion of me.

I do not judge people by their words, I judge them by their actions.

WCC, if you seriously believe anyone thinks you are an awful person and should be burned at the stake then you probably need mental help. I suggest you close your browser, log off your computer and go get some.

and you cant accuse me of being someone who hated you.

alex i dont think thats being helpful

wcc was clearly joking

"I'm serious"

I think there's reasonable evidence for the first part of that, Alex, and the second is just hyperbole.

Also, now as always, fuck 'respectfully'.

I say no but then again I haven't had an extracurricular beef with anyone. If I'm getting on somebody's nerves i try to just step away from the thread and give it some air. If you are having a debate w someone about a subject and the two of you disagree to the point where it's getting nasty, there's not really much point in pursuing it, as it's clear neither side is going to come to an agreement.

Btw is there any way to check if you've been sb'd?

i just read the "button" thread again. this whole thing turns on a technical question of whether a discussion of "willingly causing yourself to not exist" can/should include discussion of suicide, and/or whether a thread starter can dictate terms of a thread.

WCC told the thread that she started that, no, you can't talk about suicide here.

Mordy disregarded that (so did others, so did i!) and brought up "death of the author" and thread ownership, said he "disagreed" with WCC about what WCC's thread was even about. this is the "mansplaining" part.

and it devolved from there. i mean, that's it. does anyone dispute that?

the irony is that the discussion was pretty good before, during and after it got heated. and suicide continued to be discussed.

should ilxors be banned at the stake for taking their beefs to other social media?

I'm serious = DO NOT START A POLL THREAD.

"Burned at the stake" is a metaphor. (Though I'm not so sure this is always the case, given some of the creeptastic hate mail I've had over the years.)

Tarantino filmes?

http://www.betterbusinessbetterlife.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Head-In-Hands-by-Alex-E.-Proimos.jpg

btw i object the thread title implication that ilx is social media, like if u agree

most will be afraid to

AF, do you think k3vin k hates jon too? It's a message board for crying out loud. No one is that invested in anyone else as a "person". At worst I think you can argue people think WCC is an annoying poster.

u were pretty much ignored until your friend caused it to be brought up on Monday.

Odd friends she's keeping

― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 October 2012

I'll try that again

― Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 18 October 2012

yeah farrell i already posted what led to that

for this rebeef much thanks

Wrote this 30 minutes ago then chickened out on posting it, but fuck it:

I'm really uncomfortable with the idea that it's libelous to call someone a misogynist now (whether you agree with the appellation or not, it is not good to set any kind of precedent that disallows someone from calling out someone's misogyny/racism/etc. using the vocabulary available to them, ESPECIALLY when it is of the controversial or insidious type where a lot of people will deny that it could possibly be any kind of offensive). Calling someone a misogynist is an opinion, not an accusation of specific dastardly action and whether people think WCC "abuses" the term or not is not really relevant to the discussion.

Also, as someone who follows WCC on twitter, she really didn't mention Mordy by name until AFTER he brought up twitter on that other thread.

No comment on the rest of this.

i think if this question is always on your mind and you think "it's ok this is just an impossible hypothetical and i'm not actually contemplating suicide" you're basically fooling yourself that your mental state is better than it is.

("you" = impersonal, would have used "one" but it reads funny.)

― ledge, Friday, 12 October 2012 13:51 (6 days ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Burn ledge!

yeah farrell i already posted what led to that

― zvookster, Thursday, 18 October 2012 21:43 (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

No no that's cool, I thought I was being called out on something - I have I think been mostly reactive on this?

FTR I am sorry I said you were being asshole earlier. That might have been a little harsh.

I'm not surprised people get offended when they're accused of having a conscious or subconscious hatred of all women.

why "fuck 'respectfully', now as always", if you don't mind my asking? xxp

farrell, yeah i mixed u up with scik when first recalling that

she really didn't mention Mordy by name until AFTER he brought up twitter on that other thread.

so what really? she was talking about him there, he talked about her talking about him here, and she doubled down.

If we're going to talk about timelines: this was the first thing I read after a weekend away from ILX. What I thought was going to be a jokey piss-take thread laughing at indie-rock because that's never not funny. And this is clearly Mordy's idea of leaving sleeping dogs lie:

@hateindierock - opposed to the bourgeois selfish privilege orgy that is modern corporate youth culture worldwide

This was when I tweeted the "I see you're still reading my twitter you creep" tweet, because he was still bringing it up on unrelated threads, and trying to round up beef. And given he was, indeed, still reading my twitter looking for beef, as proved by his taking that quote and posting it, I felt kinda vindicated tweeting it.

http://automaticimprov.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/crying_indian.jpg

Calling someone a misogynist is an opinion, not an accusation of specific dastardly action and whether people think WCC "abuses" the term or not is not really relevant to the discussion.

Maybe this is just my bropinion but it's kind of a hurtful thing to say, especially when gender issues were basically nowhere to be found on the original argument