should ilxors be tempbanned for taking their beefs to other social media? (twitter/fbook/myspace/etc)?

of course it's real

im not assuming anything anymore wrt to any of this

I miss the rhinos.

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i just read the "button" thread again. this whole thing turns on a technical question of whether a discussion of "willingly causing yourself to not exist" can/should include discussion of suicide, and/or whether a thread starter can dictate terms of a thread.

WCC told the thread that she started that, no, you can't talk about suicide here.

Mordy disregarded that (so did others, so did i!) and brought up "death of the author" and thread ownership, said he "disagreed" with WCC about what WCC's thread was even about. this is the "mansplaining" part.

and it devolved from there. i mean, that's it. does anyone dispute that?

the irony is that the discussion was pretty good before, during and after it got heated. and suicide continued to be discussed.

― there is no dana, only (goole), Friday, 19 October 2012 07:39 (21 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

This can't be restated enough. The initial premise of all this was so innocuous it is insanity it turned into all this. "you cant talk about suicide" is fine to say. but ppl can and will ignore that. It doesnt make them mysogynists or mansplainers. *I* wanted to say the same thing!

I can't be alone in having completely lost track of who is supposed to have said what when.

Trayce OTM.

FWIW, I didn't think Sick was "defending me" by posting his ditty. I thought he was saying that Mordy was being annoying on that thread. I'm not sure why anyone would take Sick's post to be about me in any way?

The post with Mordy's twitter handle is real. It was posted AFTER he started posting my twitter feed on ILX, and AFTER he started @'ing me on twitter. It was a response.

I felt very threatened by what he was doing. I responded to his tweet to show that I was not OK with what he was doing.

Your twitter feed has been posted on ILX previously though. When you've been trashing other ILXors on it, while it was public. Remember?

Mordy / Kate - why don't you both stop talking to or about each other and ignore other people's attempts to bait you into argument for the sake of entertainment.
problem solved

no gov't names, mod forks

it's okay, i put five cents in the swear jar

Thanks for the false equivalency forks.

FWIW, I didn't think Sick was "defending me" by posting his ditty. I thought he was saying that Mordy was being annoying on that thread.

I see that reading down later; Mordy definitely reacted as if it was and, tbh, I'd just clicked over to that thread to see what it was about and that exchange was the first thing I saw so I clicked off of it

tbh, this whole thing really makes me happy I'm not a mod anymore

I felt very threatened by what he was doing. I responded to his tweet to show that I was not OK with what he was doing.

― White Chocolate Cheesecake, Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:09 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

If you felt threatened by this you really need to suck it up.

Tabling a motion that both parties just take this whole thing to the people who run Twitter and let them deal with it. I'm sure they'll be happy to give it the time it deserves.

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the accusation of "mansplaining" is something ive never heard of before today. My take: possibly the stupidest thing to accuse someone of, ever.

"I felt very threatened by what he was doing."

Like he was going to burn you at the stake, right?

oh man why

magill with a real kool-aid man entrance just now

Mordy if I were you, I would not hire Bill Magill to represent in this court case.

Matt why cant you just make it clear that it's not on to go to twitter and abuse posters? Either they can't defend themselves or the tables get turned on them for actually defending themselves. It's really not very nice being on the end of this.

lol j0rd

The timeline from where I'm standing:

-I started the button thread
-When people started talking about suicide, I asked them not to (because talking about suicide is actually triggering of suicidal impulses if you are that way inclined.)
-Mordy started overtalking me, quoting "death of the author" (what? is that a threat?)
-I posted a disgruntled tweet about mansplaining because he has a history of overtalking women, esp re "mansplaining"
-Mordy started getting overtly personal and nasty to me on the thread, so I left
-I had a twitter rant
-I went on the mod board, asked for the thread to be locked if it was going to turn into a clusterfuck and decided to go take a long walk

-I come back to ILX on Monday after a good weekend
-First thread I click on, Sick makes a snide non-specific joke at Mordy, Mordy responds with I'M READING YOUR TWITTER
-I post a "if you're reading this, you're creepy for reading the twitter of a girl you claim to hate" tweet
-Mordy posts that tweet straight back to ILX
-Mordy starts @'ing me saying he doesn't hate me, in direct contradiction of his behaviour on ILX
-I name him so I have his twitter handle
-I block him and don't think of it again

-I have a busy week at work so I don't come back to ILX until last night
-Luna thread turns into yet another clusterfuck
-Clusterfuck moves to this thread

Mordy if I were you, I would not hire Bill Magill to represent in this court case.

― Fig On A Plate Cart (Alex in SF), Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:19 PM (28 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol, i'm all in, baby

^^ kool-aid man image had me lol'ing for real

wcc, andrew and scik were keeping it going on other threads though.

you cant blame mordy for that

lol j0rd

― there is no dana, only (goole), Thursday, October 18, 2012 5:19 PM (55 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^ kool-aid man image had me lol'ing for real

― boxall, Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:20 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

2x

Calling me Kool Aid man threatens me and makes me feel bad. If i had a twitter account i would go slander your ass

fuckit, i'm going to reddit

I can't really remember whether we agreed that I'd be pro-WCC on Monday and Scik anti-, or the other way around. Fortunately we switched each day to keep things interesting.

Bill Magilll, you're the guy who freaked out because someone posted a dick to the "fitness girls" thread, right? Maybe if I threatened your masculinity with some vaguely homoerotic content you could understand?

This

-I name him so I have his twitter handle

does not gel with the actual tweet which was

his twitter handle is (@mordys twitter handle) - this is an ILX bully who is stalking my twitter in another intimidation attempt

IMO, there seems to be a little something more going on there

hahahahahah that was a joke.go ahead and threaten my masculinity all you want

xpost

Just was curious about this point

because talking about suicide is actually triggering of suicidal impulses if you are that way inclined.

I didn't think this was the case, although obviously I don't want to contradict how you feel about it - for my work I've been trained that if I suspect someone is suicidal I should always ask them directly as it isn't an idea you can "plant" in someone's head, and dialogue is better than avoidance

gonna talk shit about all of you on twitter brb

loooooool j0rdan

i've said this like five times in three difft places now, but how exactly are people supposed to engage with "ending your own existince" w/o discussing suicide? philosophically it's nonsense.

*Ence

i would think that asking a person with suicidal impulses a question about no longer existing would be triggering

just talked shit abt all of u on twitter fyi

-Mordy started overtalking me, quoting "death of the author" (what? is that a threat?)
-I posted a disgruntled tweet about mansplaining because he has a history of overtalking women, esp re "mansplaining"

just reread these two over and over until you get why you have this reputation

i think the thread was about "not having existed" instead of "no longer existing"

then again, "a wonderful life" takes the idea of "no longer existing" and deals with the question by showing the effects of "not having existed"

hard to extricate the two

forks has really done some admirable work moving threads to IMP lately

"-Mordy started overtalking me, quoting "death of the author" (what? is that a threat?)"

I missed this. Wow.

Never heard the phrase overtalking until today btw. That's a good phrase.