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Michael Jones, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 11:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow dude, I think you should write summaries for every thread, that was a great "Previously on ILX..." bit.

I'm having trouble paying for the 350D in more ways than one now; too long and boring to explain, but they can't take card payment because I am not in the US, and I can't use paypal because I won the item on my work account. Unless they'll be ok with me using my own paypal account to pay? I'm awaiting a reply to that question, but I'm assuming it'll be a "no" due to security concerns. As you've all probably gathered, I'm a bit of an eBay noob when it comes to buying stuff. I wonder if I could possibly fuck this up any more than I have already?

g-kit, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 11:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anyone else put all of their photos thru Auto-Contrast in Photoshop (or similar) before uploading? It's no real use on poorly lit shots tho - not from an Ixus 55 at least. I'd say it improves two thirds of the photos I take though.

So I want a camera that can produce this same contrast adjustment automatically or when taking the shot ideally - would save some time.

blueski, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 11:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I did some investigating and it looks like it's perfectly OK to pay with my own PP account. Hoorah! Now all I have to do is keep them talking until I get paid on friday....

blooski, my powershot s3 has a nifty custom colour/processing mode on the dial - you can set levels of saturation, sharpness, colour adjustments and white balance and save the settings to that shooting mode only; I have a tweaked profile for indoor flash shots to bring out flesh tones, boost colours a tad and add a little contrast.
I'm sure a lot of higher end point & shoots also have this kind of function.

g-kit, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 11:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Does anyone else put all of their photos thru Auto-Contrast in Photoshop (or similar) before uploading? It's no real use on poorly lit shots tho - not from an Ixus 55 at least. I'd say it improves two thirds of the photos I take though.


I fiddle with contrast and saturation on a lot of my photos, but then I shoot in RAW so none of this has been done by the camera.

Ed, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 11:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I switched to using RAW on my dslr about a year ago, jpegs really weren't giving me the result or the control over the final image I wanted.
Of course the Pentax RAW format is totally uncompressed meaning rather large images and ended up with me quadrupling the amount of memory I carry with the camera.

treefell, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 11:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I almost always use AutoLevels in Photoshop Elements - I don't always keep the results but if I like what AL does, I don't tend to tweak further. Often it's just a subtle darkening of shadow and deepening of colours, other times it utterly changes the lighting and, once you get over your initial shock, you realise it's closer to what you saw through the viewfinder or does actually look more natural. Very clever.

The 300D has internal saturation/colour/sharpness/contrast parameter sets which you can tweak/select/defeat yourself. I think they even work on the RAW setting. I should shoot more in RAW but we take so many photos, further extending the transfer/processing time (and not being able to see any thumbnails in Explorer unless we've extracted/converted to JPG) puts me off. I don't fancy hanging around for 80 RAW images to trundle down the USB cable, which are only immediately browsable in some software app (whether PSE or Canon ImageFinder).

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 11:47 (seventeen years ago) link

My nikon does a low res jpeg as well as the raw so you can instantly browse, whilst still having the backup of the full RAW data.

Ed, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 11:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Ah, I see. On the 300D (if you hack the firmware so it behaves like a 10D, which the previous owner did) you get JPGs (of whatever resolution you select in the setup menu) embedded in the RAW - but you do need to extract them in Canon ImageFinder (or whatever it's called - the one that isn't ZoomBrowser) before you can see 'em.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 11:57 (seventeen years ago) link

I can set the Ixus 55 to manual and then select 'daylight' setting plus 'vivid' effect for more effective outdoor shots tho i've not really tested it.

blueski, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 12:28 (seventeen years ago) link

I've re-found the cable for my Ixus 65 and now I'm trying to get the hang of taking pictures with an Actual Camera and not my camera phone - "framing" for lack of a less pretentious word is certainly different. Ixus 65 has a HUGE screen on the back as well, so i really need to get a good case for it as well. Stevem's for his 55 looks good - it is v solid, rather than the leather ones that I saw on Amazon.

One thing I'd like to do is to get some good pictures of my knitting/crochet projects - there are two problems. One is that I generally tend to take the photos in the evening, hence dark, no daylight, colours not coming out, but even when there's natural light available I'm not getting results I'm happy with. Here's a picture of the sock I took (the white thing it is resting on is in fact the sleeve to Scritti Politti's Songs To Remember as I read somewhere that placing yr stuff on something plain and white would help - sadly it is "off white" and "crumpled" - the best I could do at 8am I'm afraid) - but I don't think it's very good. The colours are a bit blargh and it doesn't stand out and meh.

Sarah, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

This is the pic: http://www.flickr.com/photos/robot_starry/427916225/

SteadyMike you are speaking another langwidge again you realise... :)

Sarah, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 14:46 (seventeen years ago) link

i like the look of the Ixus 65 a lot esp. the screen size - altho i suppose you get to a point where it doesn't really matter how big it gets - the 65 is bang on that threshold.

blueski, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 14:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I really like it so far, although that's not saying so much because I've used it so rarely at the moment and am not really au fait with it as much as I would like to be. Need to scour that manual and read up. Oh, and perhaps take more photos with it...

Sarah, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 14:53 (seventeen years ago) link

also get a new, bigger flash/sd card so you can take loads more pics and videos on it.

blueski, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 14:55 (seventeen years ago) link

I just checked the PC World website - they don't appear to have any of the cases like yours. They're all bulky monsters which sort of defeats the whole point of buying a lovely compact camera yehno?

Bigger card and memory reader are on the "after payday" list...

Sarah, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 15:01 (seventeen years ago) link

go to the TCR PC World and see what they've got. mine was under a tenner.

blueski, Wednesday, 21 March 2007 15:03 (seventeen years ago) link

As Porkpie posted last night on the Flickr thread (we were half way through a bottle of Westvleteren at the time), he dug out his early '70s Pentax SP500 (basically a budget Spotmatic but with only cosmetic changes) with a nice Super-Takumar 55mm f2 prime on it.

This (and some very cheap Hanimex and Pentacon 28mm f2.8 M42 primes on eBay - are they any good?) has me all fired up to get a M42-EOS adaptor ring - but should I spend 99p on one of the cheap ones shipped from Hong Kong, a fiver on a one from a UK PowerSeller (complete with the usual gaudy text and warnings about bad adaptor rings from other sellers) or £25 on one from a proper camera shop? I guess what I'm most concerned about (in descending order of importance): it damages my EOS, it doesn't fit very well and lets dust in, it doesn't actually work properly. £25 gets me peace of mind on all three counts but it's a lot for a bit of fun experimentation.

I guess the crucial thing from a functionality POV is that I get a lens that steps down and so allows the EOS to meter accurately in Av mode (I know EF lenses don't adjust aperture until you press the shutter, so you always see it wide-open in the viewfinder). I think the adaptor plays a part in this. Any experts out there?

Michael Jones, Thursday, 22 March 2007 10:53 (seventeen years ago) link

AH, found thread.

The EOS meters through wide-open, so if you stop down before metering it'll give the wrong readings. I think a £3 blower brush (I have an ace Giottos rocket) takes care of the dust, so I'd take the chance on the £5 number.

.stet., Friday, 23 March 2007 22:12 (seventeen years ago) link

the olympus stylus epic is a simple robust point-and-shoot with a (relatively) high quality lens (f2.8, wd = 14cm). it is also inexpensive. it has no zoom and minimal manual controls, but it does what it is meant to do well.

Seconded (years later). I've been through four Stylus Epics (or close relatives in the Stylus family) in the past five years and they are really great pocket-cams. Turn the flash off, use the spot-meter when in doubt, and lean on the "nighttime flash" mode for the pub and you are set for quickie, candid, whip-it-out-and-take-it shots.

More generally I shoot on a Minolta SRT-101 which is starting to show some wear and tear (there is a yet-mysterious problem with overexposed blobs that I suspect is due to a phantom shutter curtain hole - ugh), and I'm having no fun trying to use it with flash. But it's served me well (see my Flickr). I think I might eventually upgrade to something else in the same family of camera bodies, so I could keep all my lenses but have some more features. Anyone know what all is out there?

Most exciting photo news of late: my department at school has a film scanner! Today I got back my first prints made from TIFs I scanned from the negatives and the results are excellent. So from now on I'm just getting the photo people to develop the film, I can scan, crop, tweak, fiddle, and then get prints at will! It's pure photog bliss over here.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 23 March 2007 23:58 (seventeen years ago) link

I took a chance on the £5 number, stet - still waiting for it to show up. I'll see what I find with Porkpie's lens in Av mode...

Michael Jones, Saturday, 24 March 2007 00:12 (seventeen years ago) link

I see what you mean about the chipped thing. It might be a bit hairy without it, you're right. It sounds interesting -- I've got some really nice K-mount lenses gathering dust in a box somewhere ...

.stet., Saturday, 24 March 2007 00:25 (seventeen years ago) link

K-mount to EOS is more difficult, I think - the aperture lever sticks out too far into the camera body and interferes with the lens. Actually easier with the EF-S mount cameras (i.e. 300/350/400/20D but nothing above that) as there's more room in the mirror box.

You can tell I've been researching this stuff, can't you?

Michael Jones, Saturday, 24 March 2007 08:52 (seventeen years ago) link

It certainly looks like it, but honestly you could be spouting absolute gibberish and I'd still be here furrowing my brow and nodding along.

(my ixus btw is a 750 - but I know they all have multiple designations)

Mark C, Saturday, 24 March 2007 09:45 (seventeen years ago) link

Mark, if your camera still takes pictures, you might be lucky and have found an actual old-fashioned mechanical failure. A camera repair place will be able to open it up and give you a quote for repair.

.stet., Saturday, 24 March 2007 14:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Any luck with the Ixus repair, Mark?

Excitingly, Porkpie bought himself another Pentax SP500 on eBay (one that actually works, we think), which means he now has another Super-Takumar 55mm/f2 lens. And this one doesn't have the aperture lugs on the back that prevent it engaging with the M42/EOS adaptor I bought for a fiver. So my borrowed-manual-lens dicking about can now go up a level as I'm not dependent on Porkpie's Vivitar 2x teleconverter to fix the Takumar lens to the camera (you lose half the light and three-quarters of the resolution with a 2x thing - or is it the other way round?). I will experiment today.

My efforts to buy some manual lenses have stalled a bit as the Carl Zeiss Jena gear is going for daft money on eBay (35mm/f2.4 Flektogons with fungus or other flaws for over 50 quid). Have kinda abandoned the idea of getting a wider-angle prime and am concentrating on picking up a telephoto. The CZJ Sonnar 135 and 180 are well-regarded and are still just about affordable.

Also wondering about a good budget scanner. We do have a scanner (Canon, can't remember the model, about £60 from John Lewis eight years ago) but I think technology has moved on a bit. Do I go CCD or LiDE, though? Thinking about this one or this one. The former has a slide adaptor (Pam has loads of 35mm slides), the latter doesn't.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 09:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Hi dere, I'm waiting til payday so I can get me a 50mm f1.8 prime.
kit lens has a great name but is slow.

g-kit, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 09:47 (seventeen years ago) link

You decided to keep the 350D then, g-kit? I think you'll like the 50/1.8 (around £60 on Amazon); AF struggles a bit in low light and it's quite noisy but it's a significant step up from the 18-55mm.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 09:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Aye, how could I not keep it? It's a treat. £60 seems like a bargain, 50/1.8 samples I've seen look yummy. This is probably my lens budget for the year, however.

g-kit, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 10:16 (seventeen years ago) link

I just bought a second hand manual 50mm f1.7 for my Pentax from ebay. Prices are outrageous there for fast Pentax autofocus lenses at the minute, so a manual it had to be.

treefell, Tuesday, 3 April 2007 10:26 (seventeen years ago) link

I picked up a Carl Zeiss Jena Sonnar 135mm/f3.5 ("electric MC", but seven-digit serial number, so maybe early-'80s) on eBay for 30-odd quid; the CZJ Flektogon wide-angle and portrait primes are just going for silly money, and it's a telephoto I was really after, so this seemed like a good first (and maybe only) step into M42 manual lenses for my 300D.

This isn't a particularly good shot, but this was my first day out with the big bugger (the 18-55mm and 50mm lens feel like toys next to this). The joy of long focal length bokeh...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/177/458166446_a1226b4d0c_m.jpg

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 09:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I didn't realise I'd posted basically the same waffle on this thread (about CZJ lenses on eBay) a fortnight ago...

Scanners, though - any ideas? A big box of 35mm slides, Polaroids, APS prints, goofy stuff like iZone prints, a dozen albums of 35mm prints (still have the negatives for all of those...somewhere) - is it a false economy to get something like a CanoScan 4400F (£55-60)? I've heard a lot about the supposedly huge resolution (9600x4800dpi?) being completely wasted in a cheap scanner like this - i.e., you don't really see any difference if you step down to 2400dpi.

I don't have the money for a pro slide/negative scanner but does anyone have recommendations or experiences? 4400F might be good enough, I dunno. (I do already have a Canon scanner [I'd need a serial-USB cable to use it with the laptop] but it's 8 years old and was bottom of the range back then and produces fairly unremarkable scans of 6"x4" prints, like below...)

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/5/6548158_6a8850eac1_m.jpg

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 09:17 (seventeen years ago) link

I've got a coolpix 4000 which is waiting for me to get my slides out of storage, (and is currently on loan to another mate). What I've done so far has been great with it the auto scratch/dust removal tool is really effective and quality of the scans is great (I've only done black and white so far though). I could lend if you like.

Ed, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 09:21 (seventeen years ago) link

sorry, coolscan not coolpix.

Ed, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 09:29 (seventeen years ago) link

That's a very kind offer, Ed, but unfortunately our lives are not sufficiently organised to be able to borrow something for a while, get our scanning done, and then return it. With everything else going on, I expect it to take months if not years to digitise all these photos (unpacking the photos themselves and finding somewhere to store them is step one). The Coolscan 4000 is just for negs and slides, right?FireWire connection?

I think Pam would prefer it (if I'm to get a new scanner at all - I haven't made a sufficiently strong case yet ;)) if I got something that combined neg/slide capability with A4 document scanning. The 4400F does come with some kind of dust/scratch removal software but not as sophisticated as the higher-end models (QARE vs FARE?).

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 09:32 (seventeen years ago) link

find one (1) college student. give him (or her) one (1) hundred dollars. tell him (or her) you have one (1) week to scan them to your specs.

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link

That's not a bad idea. Apart from the bit where I trust college student with 50 quid, boxes of slides, negs and prints and then have to come up with a "spec" (which I'd only define through experimentation, I think).

I think I prefer the idea of spending 50 quid on a piece of hardware which can use for other purposes over the next few years, and we chip away at the photographic mountain a bit at a time.

Michael Jones, Tuesday, 17 April 2007 15:45 (seventeen years ago) link

five months pass...

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/09/24/070924fa_fact_lane?printable=true

This piece makes it almost seem worthwhile to dev and scan the negs. And M-series bodies seem much cheaper than they did pre-digital. But I still doubt the existence of the "Leica glow", except in the eyes of people justifying a £2500 lens.

stet, Thursday, 27 September 2007 14:44 (sixteen years ago) link

I'm going to be naughty and print that NY article for consumption on the train home.

In Lens News, I now have a Hanimex 28mm f/2.8 (£12 on eBay) which...isn't going to do my kit lens out of a job any time soon and a 80-200mm f/3.5 zoom/macro beast by the same manufacturer which the vendor bunged in for a fiver when I turned up to collect the 28mm. The latter seems a bit better value. Perhaps I'll get more out of the 28mm on a film body with a nice, big, bright viewfinder. Came with a couple of 52mm-dia filters, which is nice.

I'm wondering whether the search for a cheap, manual, wide-angle lens that does what the kit lens does but, like, better, is kinda pointless. The Zeiss Flektogons are too expensive, the sub-£20 stuff seems fairly hopeless. Thinking about Tamron Adaptall gear next (28mm f/2.5 has a good rep), but that's another adaptor...

Oh, and then there's the tantalising world of IR photography. Get a Hoya filter from the Far East for coppers + big P&P or a Kood filter from the UK for £12 + small P&P?

Michael Jones, Thursday, 27 September 2007 16:40 (sixteen years ago) link

I used to spend ages fiddling trying to get the right exposure on IR, until I worked out you can just show the red channel in photoshop and convert to gray to get much the same effect.

stet, Thursday, 27 September 2007 16:42 (sixteen years ago) link

80-200mm f/3.5 zoom/macro beast
For a fiver! Nice one. Is it any good?

stet, Thursday, 27 September 2007 16:46 (sixteen years ago) link

I've yet to really test it out (that moon pic on Flickr was taken with it, some flower shots in Golden Square the other day, that's about it). I don't think it's as good as the Zeiss but the 1:4 Macro might come in useful. Very heavy and long - not likely to be taken out and about much. There are hilarious manhood compensation jokes to be made when I attach it PLUS the extension tubes to the 300D. I don't know if anything of worth came out of that particular session of mucking about...

Michael Jones, Thursday, 27 September 2007 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link

That Lane piece is eh... he's a little too into the fashion aspect. The whining about viewfinder blackout is a bit dodgy as well - it's a few tenths or hundredths of a second, can you even register small details you might be missing?

I have a Leica, purchased with gambling winnings when I was younger and stupider, and it is a wonderful thing (though the ergonomics, frankly, suck - there's a reason every modern SLR has a big grip for your hand) and if I had a darkroom I would shoot nothing but Tri-X until it was just me, Keith Richards and the cockroaches left.

But I don't. And I hate scanning film, even if I had a scanner that could do the Summilux justice.

So I'm selling it, I think. I will probably regret it someday, but for the ~$4000 I stand to take in (a couple hundred more than I spent, actually), I can buy either a 40D or 5D dSLR and actually get to shoot as much as I'd like.

milo z, Friday, 28 September 2007 00:31 (sixteen years ago) link

That's the thing, really. I mean the trade-off is immense. I had a whole darkroom at my disposal, with a minilab to dev the film, free film and a top-end scanner and I still couldn't be arsed and got dust all over the negs.

It's only when I look back at scans from the color negs I realise just how wildly much more dynamic range C41 has compared to digital, which is a pisser.

stet, Friday, 28 September 2007 00:43 (sixteen years ago) link

Most fun I ever had was making darkroom c-prints from 4x5 negs.

For all digital's compromises, it is at least painless. Scanning film is torture.

milo z, Friday, 28 September 2007 00:56 (sixteen years ago) link

At my first newspaper job, the scanner would choke on neg strips any more than 5 long, so we first had to cut the rolls by hand, then manually align each frame on screen, adjust the wildly crazy colour settings by eye, then scan it (which took about 10 minutes). It nearly drove me insane.

stet, Friday, 28 September 2007 01:01 (sixteen years ago) link

The whining about viewfinder blackout is a bit dodgy as well - it's a few tenths or hundredths of a second, can you even register small details you might be missing?

It kinda matters.... Kinda. It really comes down to how you shoot and what you're trying to do -- if you're stalking a group of six people, you want to be able to see when all their eyes are opened.

Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved, Friday, 28 September 2007 01:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I seem to have a skill for getting eyes shut. I've taken self portraits where it turns out my own eyes are shut, ffs.

stet, Friday, 28 September 2007 02:23 (sixteen years ago) link

Thinking about getting back into film (Pentax body for me M42 lenses or Canon EOS body for me, er, single EF lens [EF-S kit lens not backwards compatible] - not sure yet; or maybe just *find* Pam's FtB, buy a cheapish Canon FD zoom and away we go...).

Now, Photo CDs from 35mm film processing as offered by yr high street photo labs - any experiences? I believe Boots only offer 800x600 images (which isn't even the right aspect ratio for 35mm negs) AND you have to pay £2 per film (despite the fact that, at that resolution, you could pack loads of films on a single CD). Does anyone provide high-res TIFFs for this service? And any comments on quality of the scans? Better one would hope, than taking yr negs/prints home and doing it yourself on a general-purpose A4 scanner.

Oh, and another question - didn't Boots offer those Ilford film mailers at one time (about £7 for a pack of ISO400 B&W plus processing by Ilford)? I assume they're still available somewhere?

I know, working in Soho, that there are probably tons of very good pro labs around but I'm curious about the best of the cheap alternatives.

Michael Jones, Monday, 8 October 2007 15:24 (sixteen years ago) link

I bought a digital camera recently.

The Real Dirty Vicar, Monday, 8 October 2007 17:06 (sixteen years ago) link

I dream of medium format

calstars, Thursday, 30 September 2021 11:30 (two years ago) link

Hired the Fuji GFX50S a few years ago for a (grey, wet) Easter weekend, with the 110/2.0 prime. It was pretty great, but a bit of a chunky beast. They seem to have streamlined the medium-format bodies.

My Bronica is still in the same place it's been for a couple of years, on a shelf. I really need to get back into it, with a drawer full of (expired) 120 film, but I say that every spring and... suddenly it's October.

Michael Jones, Thursday, 30 September 2021 14:31 (two years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_t_9LXcjBE

Looks even bigger in his hand than that still photo lol

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 30 September 2021 15:50 (two years ago) link

Lovely stuff. Maybe I'll shoot at 24mm FF and crop everything to 2.71:1 for a while :)

The GFX was my first ever experience with an EVF, and it kind of spoils you for other lesser models. Wandering around looking at the world with an Acros filter was nice.

Here's the (then) 13yo toting the big bugger around Fitzrovia...

https://live.staticflickr.com/881/39491176020_4fa94fc5a1_b.jpg

And the (then) 11yo working the other Fuji, as shot with the GFX...

https://live.staticflickr.com/796/41237312082_16d9e812da_b.jpg

Michael Jones, Thursday, 30 September 2021 16:18 (two years ago) link

beast mode

calstars, Thursday, 30 September 2021 16:51 (two years ago) link

fantastic!

papal hotwife (milo z), Thursday, 30 September 2021 16:51 (two years ago) link

ten months pass...

:)

Even has the tantalising dream of a L-grade pancake (optimus) prime on there.

Michael Jones, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 14:08 (one year ago) link

Hilarious !

calstars, Wednesday, 10 August 2022 14:38 (one year ago) link

one year passes...

The light was fantastic today in London when the sun was out: everything crisp and clear, and trees and foliage drenched with light as if illuminated specifically for photographers. I took my EOS 5D out for the first time in quite a while, and the colours were fantastic. I particular like the way bright colours - such as red and orange - seem to almost pop out of photographs. For example a red and white polka dot blouse against a background of green foliage and a bright orange Vespa against grey brickwork. What a camera!

Dr Drudge (Bob Six), Saturday, 28 October 2023 20:45 (six months ago) link

Let’s see some shots!

calstars, Saturday, 28 October 2023 20:49 (six months ago) link


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