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kind of what i meant, o. nate, except "the hardest generation to market to", which i don't even know where to begin disagreeing with.
― jones (actual), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:55 (twenty-one years ago) link
Actually, you might even say that SY were especially keen social observers, since DDN pre-dated the popular analysis of "Gen X" by a few years.
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:57 (twenty-one years ago) link
except "the hardest generation to market to", which i don't even know where to begin disagreeing withWell, read the Times article I linked to. That's where I got the idea from.
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 18:58 (twenty-one years ago) link
the SY confusion = to say that 68-ers and "gen x" are seamlessly at one w.one another in their opposition to The Straight Life, plus on top of this attempting to mimic j.mascis-style slap-daisicality in their own groove (ie how mascis wd have done sonic youth), which in fact doesn't quite come off
ie they're not wrong to say, there's a lot of foax out there who aren't in sync with the mainstream, but they somewhat sentimentalise the cohesion of thsse foax, and the objective correlative in their actual play doesn't work (i think bcz it actually excludes THEM: they were applauding observers pretending to be participants AT THIS PARTICULAR MOMENT... what's interesting is how quickly they refashioned themsleves back into being activists and enablers)
(ie what they stumbled on was reverence and awe and hope and wishful thinking)
they (correctly) transvalue the affectlessness, as the idealistic disillusionment it largely is — a good deal more accurately than most of the subsequent slacker blather — but then i think mis-cue the link as a sedimented 60s laidbackness (via lee's dead fandom), which they then fondly — but in retrospect also clumsily and confusedly and unconvincingly — mimic, as a sign of allegiance
on DDN SY said "yay the kids" and the kids have conistently said yay back, but actually i think this mutual admiration loop exactly excludes what SY are good at (which there's more of in sister and in goo)
a film which iconified the "no values" affectless generation pretty early = river's edge (1986)
― mark s (mark s), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 19:56 (twenty-one years ago) link
the SY confusion = to say that 68-ers and "gen x" are seamlessly at one w.one another in their opposition to The Straight LifeI don't think is a confusion so much as an aspiration - a daydream, if you will. "Teenage Riot" is poised on the cusp of where teenage alienation turns into action. There is an aching for action, but at the same time, a hesitation and doubt that the action will ever take place: "It better work out/I hope it works out my way" - notice the undercurrent of desperation - "it better work out". The song is not an announcement of imminent revolution, as we would have had in '68 - it is a revery on the state of perpetual revolution that is adolescence: "So who's to take the blame for the stormy weather/You're never gonna stop all the teenage leather and booze".
― o. nate (onate), Tuesday, 19 November 2002 20:29 (twenty-one years ago) link
eight years pass...
seven years pass...
Weird, you’re right — it wasn’t like that earlier today.
The writing is fine, when you get past the intro... it’s basically a long discussion/analysis of the song’s lyrics. And the second comment is Thurston himself (posting via Facebook) — plugging a book, correcting “booze” to “cooze,” and posting the song’s complete lyrics.
― underqualified backing vocalist (morrisp), Sunday, 16 December 2018 04:11 (five years ago) link