(F. Mac's) "Go Your Own Way" sounds really complicated with its odd accents and drum pattern, but it's just plain old 4/4 throughout.
― M. Agony Von Bontee (M. Agony Von Bontee), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:20 (seventeen years ago) link
― mtpisgah (mtmoriah), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― mtpisgah (mtmoriah), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Am I Re-elected Yet? (Dada), Friday, 22 September 2006 13:58 (seventeen years ago) link
― mtpisgah (mtmoriah), Friday, 22 September 2006 14:21 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sith Vidious (nest), Friday, 22 September 2006 16:02 (seventeen years ago) link
― StanM (StanM), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:45 (seventeen years ago) link
Also, "Carry on My Wayward Son" may just count.
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 22 September 2006 17:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― O'Connor (OConnorScribe), Friday, 22 September 2006 18:00 (seventeen years ago) link
King Crimson, Yes, Genesis... all UK chart acts no? Or is that cheating.
― factcheckr (factcheckr), Friday, 22 September 2006 18:02 (seventeen years ago) link
She Said She Said Good Morning Happiness is a Warm GunDig a Pony
― darin (darin), Friday, 22 September 2006 18:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― mtpisgah (mtmoriah), Friday, 22 September 2006 20:48 (seventeen years ago) link
And if that one doesn't count as "pop", then I guess that Puff Daddy/Jimmy Page collaboration based on "Kashmir" does anyway.
― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:33 (seventeen years ago) link
― dave q (listerine), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:38 (seventeen years ago) link
― youn (youn), Friday, 22 September 2006 21:42 (seventeen years ago) link
This is straightforward 4/4.
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Friday, 22 September 2006 21:45 (seventeen years ago) link
― Cheek0 (Cheek0), Friday, 22 September 2006 23:01 (seventeen years ago) link
Does "Say A Little Prayer" count?
― Matt #2 (Matt #2), Friday, 22 September 2006 23:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sundar (sundar), Friday, 22 September 2006 23:36 (seventeen years ago) link
― aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Friday, 22 September 2006 23:38 (seventeen years ago) link
Weezer's got a few that play some tricks in this vein
Like which?
― Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Friday, 22 September 2006 23:43 (seventeen years ago) link
anyone?
― Keith McD (Keith McD), Saturday, 23 September 2006 04:32 (seventeen years ago) link
I think that counts as a metric shift.
― aaron d.g. (aaron d.g.), Saturday, 23 September 2006 04:44 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 23 September 2006 05:50 (seventeen years ago) link
Maybe it's unfair to exclude Devo. But is Jocko Homo (Are we not men?) the only one?
― Keith McD (Keith McD), Saturday, 23 September 2006 09:24 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dan Heilman (The Deacon), Saturday, 23 September 2006 13:14 (seventeen years ago) link
It's a bar of 3, isn't it? What other pop songs have this?
― Cheek0 (Cheek0), Saturday, 23 September 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link
― Cheek0 (Cheek0), Saturday, 23 September 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dedicated to Jaggers Who Do Drive-Bys (noodle vague), Saturday, 23 September 2006 14:07 (seventeen years ago) link
― Dedicated to Jaggers Who Do Drive-Bys (noodle vague), Saturday, 23 September 2006 14:13 (seventeen years ago) link
― RalphTheHardDrive (RalphTheHardDrive), Saturday, 23 September 2006 14:15 (seventeen years ago) link
It does, it's just not very unusual or weird in my estimation.
I guess my question is, at what point does a song become "two bars of 4/4 followed by a bar of 3/4" instead of just 11/4?
It depends on the accents. A lot of this ground was covered here.
― Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Saturday, 23 September 2006 14:51 (seventeen years ago) link
Part of "Tallest Man, Broadest Shoulders" or whatever it's called from Illinois is in 11/8. It's 6+5 or 5+6, I forget.
And "Everything in its Right Place" is in 10, I believe. It's 4+4+2.
― Steve Go1dberg (Steve Schneeberg), Saturday, 23 September 2006 14:54 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 23 September 2006 15:55 (seventeen years ago) link
― Sundar (sundar), Saturday, 23 September 2006 16:00 (seventeen years ago) link
― Myke. (Myke Weiskopf), Saturday, 23 September 2006 19:40 (seventeen years ago) link
― Douglas (Douglas), Saturday, 23 September 2006 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link
― Wax Cat (Wax Cat), Sunday, 24 September 2006 19:39 (seventeen years ago) link
This is straight 4/4.
The verse in 'Hey Ya' is a six bar phrase where the last bar is 6/4 (or a bar of 4/4 and a bar of 2/4 if you want to think of it like that). Didn't we cover this at length in another thread?
― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:09 (seventeen years ago) link
I don't think so, the first section is in 3/4 then the rest is in 4. 'Master of Puppets' has an odd bar in the verse, though, if that counts.
― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:22 (seventeen years ago) link
^-^-^--^-^-^
(^ = accented eighth-note)(- = unaccented eighth-note)
Perhaps to represent the idea of a "schism" itself. Maybe this is what people are talking about when they say Tool are clever/inventive (because to me they mostly just sound like a shitty rock band).
― Curt1s St3ph3ns, Sunday, 24 September 2006 20:30 (seventeen years ago) link
Oh, you're right. And then in the section before the drum break, it's in 3/4 but the drums play through it in 4/4. Then the double-time section is all in 4.
(wow I had not heard this song for years)
― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 21:28 (seventeen years ago) link
Where's this thread? I'm pretty convinced of it being 4+4+3 right now.
― Sundar (sundar), Sunday, 24 September 2006 21:47 (seventeen years ago) link
― Rodney doesn't like polka. He is racist. (R. J. Greene), Sunday, 24 September 2006 22:24 (seventeen years ago) link
There's definitely no bar of three, because the backbeat never changes.
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― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 22:25 (seventeen years ago) link
― Jordan (Jordan), Sunday, 24 September 2006 22:26 (seventeen years ago) link
― Keith McD (Keith McD), Sunday, 24 September 2006 22:38 (seventeen years ago) link
that that dog song is 4/4, the chorus sounds like alternating measures of 6/8 and 4/4
― blows with the wind donors (crüt), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 03:55 (four years ago) link
"What About Us?" is straight 4/4, isn't it? Just with a lot of singing behind the beat or sounds off the beat
― Vinnie, Wednesday, 16 October 2019 04:03 (four years ago) link
I think the George Jones song is confusing because he starts singing before the beat appears, so every line seems to start on 2 instead of 1.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 06:39 (four years ago) link
I don’t know how to say it in proper music terms.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 06:40 (four years ago) link
I'd say 6/4 & 4/4 but yeah. Although, the part at 2:30 is in 7/4, but the drums keep rolling through in 4/4.
― change display name (Jordan), Wednesday, 16 October 2019 19:44 (four years ago) link
thanks. i guess i thought it was weirder than that. shows what i know!
― alpine static, Thursday, 17 October 2019 05:31 (four years ago) link
odd that Golden Brown hasn't been mentioned http://www.rebelmusicteacher.com/blog/2016/6/14/asymmetrical-compound-meter-in-the-stranglers-golden-brown
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 17 October 2019 06:08 (four years ago) link
oops, I see it has, but it's not 3/4 and 4/4
You'll look in vain for a country tune that has any metric shifts or unusual time signatures; it simply doesn't occur.
The Carter Family's Rhythmic Asymmetry
Time on the Crooked Road: Isochrony, Meter, and Disruption in Old-Time Country and Bluegrass Music
― chips moomin (unregistered), Thursday, 17 October 2019 06:20 (four years ago) link
On occasions like this I like to pull out "South African Man" by Bohannon - which was a hit single in case anyone objects, in the UK at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GO3BEUMyzgs
― Michael Oliver of Penge Wins £5 (Tom D.), Thursday, 17 October 2019 06:52 (four years ago) link
I overheard MGMT’s Electric Feel and noticed it has an unusual time signature. Double checked on google and it’s apparently on 6/4 safe from the instrumental bridge which is 4/4.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 17 October 2019 15:27 (four years ago) link
This song is quite similar to the Jones hit "Someone I Used to Know."
Except that song ("A Girl I Used to Know") features the standard 32 beats per 8-measure verse. "Not What I Had in Mind" has 30 beats in each verse — just count them.Even if you consider this a two-step, there are still two beats "missing" in each verse. It doesn't bother me — I actually think it's a pretty cool thing to do in a country song. But I'm surprised so many people can't hear it.
― TO BE A JAZZ SINGER YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO SCAT (Jazzbo), Tuesday, 27 October 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link