San Francisco and what to do in it

oh, I didn't notice non-touristy.

isn't there a decent burger place on valencia, a few blocks up from Aquarius?

Big Mouth Burgers?

The Philly cheesesteak place next to Big Mouth is pretty good IIRC. 24th and Valencia.

Phat Phillys.

Both of those are yummy.

Wise Bros deli is also delish.

I haven't been to Wise Bro's since they stopped being a pop-up.

Wise SONS. (24th and Shotwell) - it's great, was just there last wednesday w/my dad. (not a diner tho)

Lori's is horrible imho. Sparky's in the Castro is pretty great trad-diner fare also 24-hrs

Lori's is the worst restaurant I have eaten at in the bay area. I've had better food at a Missouri truck stop.

isn't there a decent burger place on valencia, a few blocks up from Aquarius?

Big Mouth is on 24th, and around the corner. Pretty sure sarahell is thinking of Burger Joint

Super Duper burger on Market and 16th is pretty (plus all you can eat pickles). I prefer it to either Burger Joint or Burgermeister.

is pretty good

will second Sparky's esp for post-booze hunger attack

xxp - Shakey otm re: Burger Joint and the awfulness of Lori's. The place in the Tenderloin near Kimo's (spacing on the name) is fine and actually feels like a diner.

Sparky's is horrible, walk a few blocks up Market and go to Orphan Andie's if you are up that late.

Miller's East Coast Deli on Polk and wherever is good and they also have some diner fare.

Agree that Sparky's is really mediocre although it was always better than Bagdad. Now I guess it might be better than nothing.

agree that Orphan Andie's is good

ike's is eh, okay. vastly overrated by yelpers who call sandwiches "sammies." for non-burger sandwiches, go the extra couple of blocks to rhea's deli at Valencia and 19th. deli board as noted above is p good too.

if you really want something simple and non-touristy for burgers, mammoth sandwiches, fries, milkshakes, apple pie and such, you're looking for the Apple Pan on Pico in Los Angeles. but orphan andy's super duper burger, or st. francis fountain could do all right.

i'd vote st. francis. def non-touristy and they serve mitchell's ice cream which is local and for my money still tops the hipster scoops at bi-rite, humphry slocombe, and mr. and mrs. miscellaneous.

"It's Tops" on Market near Octavia has decent diner food and pitch perfect americana decor and staff (sassy waitresses in costume). I'm not a big fan of Sparky's at all. Ike's has good sandwiches but I'd just as soon never go there again since Dinosaurs (granted, it's a banh mi place, not really american sandwiches) is just a block away and is just as good, cheaper and has a much shorter line.

Loved dinosaurs, used to go there all the time

oh duh, forgot about st. francis. yeah, that's the spot.

We liked Lori's. Sorry!

At San Jose airport beginning our epic journey home now. Goodbye California!

Yeah It's Tops is good! I think my hungover/drunkenness may have clouded my memory of how good/bad Sparkys food actually is

Anybody know of any fun things to do/see for a san jose daytrip?

I've always wanted to check out the Rosicrucian Egyptian Museum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosicrucian_Egyptian_Museum
http://www.egyptianmuseum.org/

west wind drive-in movie theater is pretty cool if you like that kind of thing

i took a tour of the privately owned public spaces (well, a selection of them) a little while ago, and it was pretty neat. there are better things to do if you're just in town for a day, but it's fun to see all this stuff that's right under your nose that you never noticed before. here's a link to a handy guide to all of them - the 15th floor terrace at 346 sansome is my favorite. http://www.spur.org/files/popos-guide.pdf

http://sf.streetsblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/01_22/343_Sansome.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/63146_420562914683480_819610990_n.jpg

Did not do those things when I was just there. Was in town last week with my gf. Love walking around that Cliff House/ Lands End area along the ocean. Had some good food too, saw a Cajun band at the Chapel in the Mission, did lots of tourist stuff--night-time Alcatraz tour, the nice pedestrian walk up to Coit Tower (and the Tower itself), Japanese Tea Garden, Amoeba Records, City Lights Books and nearby cafes, etc...

my bandmate's bf got hit by a street sweeper last night - is in critical condition at SF General

wtf!

he was on his bike.

This was a lot of fun!

http://realescapegame.com/rersf1/

Looks it! Intrigued. Want to hear all about it but wouldn't want ppl to be able to google it.
Did you do that Jejune Institute thing a while back?

Probably everyone that would want to know about this show already does, but Rene Hell and Jefre Cantu-Ledesma are playing The Lab tonight. $5-$7 - cheap!

I didn't do Jejune Institute, kinder. It looks cool though

xp - see you there (hopefully)

I did the first part of the jejeune inst - in Chinatown and environs. We got a little sidetracked at Li Po though.

The only time I went to LiPo was to see a Rudimentary Penii cover band.

Downstairs where the ceiling is like 6'8"?

oh yes!

I went to a a punk show there ages ago and these (rather petite) girls started pogoing and I had to laugh 'cause had I been inclined to follow suit, I would have knocked myself out.

Would totally be at the lab tonight were I in town.
Ive heard that LiPo hasn't quite been the same since Anthony Bourdain promoted it.

sarahell - i'll be the one with the gray jacket and the, um, black messenger bag ...

i will be supervising people

Anybody else going to Haceteria this Sat?

Sorry, this Friday.

Maybe! I'll post if it looks likely.

so yesterday around 4pm about a block away from my office some guy shot on foot shot and seriously injured a passenger in a car - car sped off to the hospital, shooter fled on foot, Market Street was blocked off from Beale to Main for about an hour... can't find anymore news about it today though. sounds really odd - not yr standard spree shooting or robbery, wondering what the deal was.