Rolling Metal Thread 2012

Yeah, they're still known around these parts simply as Bison. They indeed added the BC for legal reasons when they signed with Metal Blade.

Finally, another monthly roundup: I wrote 600-character reviews of 17 of these 20 new albums (though now you have to click on their covers individually to read the reviews. And to figure out which ones I like most and least, you need to read the intro.)

Dude, I know it's not your fault, but that is a new low bar for a click-whore gallery UI. Whoever decided to stripe the text down a thin left column like that should have to actually read text in that format, like, forever.

Nice to see New Castle's Tygers getting some respect, and a not-half-bad album after all these years.

Not remotely metal, but the thing I can't stop listening to lately is Chris Lawhorn's Fugazi Edits. Kev Eddy's review nails, it, I think: http://drownedinsound.com/releases/17299/reviews/4145697

Is Fugazi Edits for Fugazi for Fugazi fans who don't like Fugazi's singers/songs or the Wu-Tang Clan?

Is Fugazi Edits for Fugazi for Fugazi fans who don't like Fugazi's singers/songs or the Wu-Tang Clan?

I'll let you know when my copy arrives in the mail. (I liked Fugazi a lot early on, but stopped paying attention after Steady Diet of Nothing and don't think I've ever heard anything after that.)

You missed out

apart from a few v fleeting moments when it sounded like some Mego Records ish or something, I thought the Fugazi Edits thing was really pedestrian and messy

It sounds really boring.

I listened to a track on soundcloud. Meh.

I liked Fugazi a lot early on, but stopped paying attention after Steady Diet of Nothing and don't think I've ever heard anything after that

that includes the best two albums!

I've got all their albums on the big hard drive; maybe I'll load them into my iPod one of these days.

in on the killtaker is p heavy

as long as we're not on a kult metal tip (or, er, any kind of metal, for some reason), the new Defontes might be the best since White Pony.

ah cool, i really love white pony

agreed about the new deftones

Disagree on Deftones. I think it's boring, and basically a clone of every album they've released post-White Pony. I'm basically willing to give up on them at this point.

i kinda dug the one w/the skull on it, can't remember the title

title was deftones

*raises hand* What if we were never really into Deftones in the first place?

Disagree on Deftones. I think it's boring, and basically a clone of every album they've released post-White Pony. I'm basically willing to give up on them at this point.

those are pretty distinct records you're calling it a clone of? idk dude.

nm i guess it can seem all homogenous to someone who wasn't into them

listening to the new deftones

i don't know how long i can listen to this, like the songs but goddamn this is compressed to fuck

Deftones have a consistent sound that they've carved out for themselves, but I would not go as far as to say its a clone of there past post White Pony albums... But, you're same person that doesn't like Neurosis and thinks they are boring as well.

誤訳侮辱 has some very idiosyncratic tastes that you cannot say aren't his own.

I don't think 誤訳侮辱 actually pays attention to the stuff when listening to it.. its on while doing other tasks, and it doesn't perk any interest, so its past on as boring. The new Deftones is a great record, and not a copy of past efforts. In fact, there is plenty of parts, textures, arrangements and vocal things on it that I've not heard them do before..

Plus doesn't 誤訳侮辱 work for Road Runner, where their top brass seem to be fleeing.. Maybe the underlings over there don't have a clue as to wants going on in heavy music anymore.

Two heart felt, emotionally charged efforts by two greatly influential bands, (Deftones and Neurosis) passed off as boring.

Or maybe, he just has different taste and that post makes you look a bit like a dick.

Trust me, I've done it before (sorry Doran, wherever you are).

Its fine to have different tastes, but to say something is boring and sounds like everything else they've done, its a little off-putting. When in fact the record is in fact got more shit going on than the last couple.

Saying your opinion of music is kind of the thing for which ILM exists. Insulting someone, in bad spelling, because you don't like that they don't like the music you like, is kind of the thing that drives people away and makes ILM suck. More of the former, less of the latter, please.

I think you are both right.

word... Opinions are based on fact. the fact that the record is different, and its described as the same, bugs. Say its boring, fine. Saying its the same, wrong.

I'm not trying to flam on anyone. Sorry I was dick-ish

First post: Ha ha, fuck you, you insignificant shit-pebble. I don't like the bands you like, so you impugn the company I work for? Lick the bag.

Second post: A detailed rebuttal, dealing strictly with music, coming soon. But it's time to begin a one-hour commute to work, so...

Wasn't someone saying the metal thread wasn't filled with drama?

OK...let's start with "Maybe the underlings over there don't have a clue as to wants going on in heavy music anymore."

Here's a list of all the metal records I've either reviewed, or commissioned reviews of, for BurningAmbulance.com since June:

Down, Down IV Part I - The Purple EP
Ehnahre, Old Earth
Grave, Endless Procession of Souls
Krallice, Years Past Matter
Kreator, Phantom Antichrist
Malignancy, Eugenics
Manowar, The Lord of Steel
Marduk, Serpent Sermon
Yakuza, Beyul

Nothing heavy there. Certainly nothing as heavy as the fucking Deftones.

Look, every time Deftones put out a new record, I listen to it. I loved Around the Fur. I loved White Pony. But starting with the self-titled record, they've fallen into a slumbering rut. Just about every song follows the same formula, especially Chino Moreno's vocals. The dude sings the same three-note vocal melody on every goddamn song, it seems like. The formal experimentation of White Pony has been totally abandoned - except on Saturday Night Wrist, when they just decided to be a Disintegration-era Cure cover band for one album. But even then they still sounded like their same, mopey, uninspired selves.

And Neurosis may not make the same album every time, but they certainly don't challenge themselves. I saw them live twice in 1996 and 1997, first opening for Pantera and Clutch, and then again five months later, co-headlining with Eyehategod. They were interesting back then. But in the 15 years since, I've just ceased to care. Even Through Silver was a slog to get through - the live show was miles better - and they haven't made a single album since that I've been excited by. They confuse slowness with heaviness (a common error), and the yawning-Sasquatch vocals are as boring as the riffs and the "tribal" drumming. I come to metal for energy and catharsis - these two bands offer neither. They're lazy, lumbering, and tiresome, and their fans take them (and themselves) way too seriously. They should both hang it up.

So there you go. I don't like Neurosis or Deftones. And I have reasons why, and they're not based in ignorance of the work.

I mentioned the extreme dubstep (dubstomp?) band The Algorithm a while back. They're still not really the metal/dubstep hybrid I want, but they're heavy enough to be worth mentioning now that there's a whole album: Polymorphic Code. http://open.spotify.com/album/2Ym0HnCH6ZWwgbkSufFplW

Why do you want a metal/dubstep hybrid?! The only dubstep hybrid I want is the one that makes it go away!

There's some metal, and some dubstep, on the upcoming record by The Blood Of Heroes; it'll be out 12/4 on Ohm Resistance. Also on the record: Justin Broadrick.

Nothing to get mad about. I apologized for sounding dick-ish.

just be consistent.. Now you're saying Deftones have done different things since White Pony. But before you said they've put out the same record every time since. No big deal.

I guess I make the common error of thinking slow is heavy too.. damn you physics!!

wow what

xxp wait there is a sequel to that Blood of Heroes album? I really dug that first record.

SeanWayne stop typing.

alex who are you to decide who should post on this thread?

Lick the bag

Still trying to pull my thoughts together as regards Voivod, but pretty sure it's their best since Nothingface (and definitely their best since The Outer Limits).

"alex who are you to decide who should post on this thread?"

If someone is coming off badly I think telling them to step away is basically good etiquette.

On "this thread" or any thread really.

i'm really going to regret this but: what?

whatevs.. its really not that a big a deal to me.

To be be painfully clear (even for AG):

"Now you're saying Deftones have done different things since White Pony. But before you said they've put out the same record every time since." is a pretty dick-ish (not to mention a complete misread of what Phil'd actually just posted) thing to type especially after specifically apologizing for coming across dick-ish. My "stop typing" was simply trying to save SW from future (accidental?) dick-ishness and half-hearted apologies.

whatevs.. its really not that a big a deal to me.

You say that, but it's hard to hear because you're stamping your feet so loudly.

Maybe there's some context to this discussion that I'm missing. SeanWayne, are you fourteen years old?

now who is being insulting