New Apple Lust Objects for 2010 and onward

in away, ~everything~ is a "disk drive"

haha okay so you've fallen victim to like the hardest thing to understand about macs. You don't want to be running Firefox from that fake disk drive. see this article

don't listen to s1ocki

OK, I did what I was supposed to, which I would never have done without your advice, so thanks, silby.

So strange. Why? I'm annoyed, but I'm also genuinely curious - why is it that way? Why not just install the bastard program (app?) where it's supposed to go?

(I promise not to clutter this thread with a ton of requests for support.)

Legacy reasons really. Even the guy who came up with it admits it's dumb and was supposed to be a temporary solution

Some applications will "install" themselves because they need to put stuff in your library folder, but usually you just drag the 'file' (which is usually a folder akin to a zip file) over to applications. Much prefer this system to be honest, because you can usually run a program temporarily to try it out.

Ok I'm scared to update.

I use playlists and (nesting playlist folders) in the sidebar almost exclusively. Even for albums, I create a new playlist. (This is INSANE, I know, but when listening to only .0003% or whatever of your library in the course of a given week, it seems the best way of keeping what I'm into at the moment

Anyway the one thing that has made me crazy for years is why I can't simply drag-and-drop to rearrange playlists and playlist folders according to my preference. Instead they lock into alphabetical order, so when titling them I have to put some stupid character Ω ≈ †† in front of it....

Can someone explain if they have finally fixed this, or if the sidebar has been obsoleted for the better?

ugh pls ignore all those parentheses

I actually use playlists in pretty much the same way. With 11, the playlist view works well for me. And in the songs view you can drag and drop to create playlists in much the same way as 10. The sidebar 'appears' whenever you begin to drag a select and drag a song.

Thanks. But can I drop and drag to re-order the playlists? I mean, order them other than alphabetically?

"drag and drop"

First World problems up in here

i use playlists too, what i usually do is create a smart playlist with the last how many ever added songs in it, so i can browse recents easily

far as I can tell the sidebar works like it used to. I'd say you should email apple and suggest a sidebar view option, but I don't see how that would work and I'm sure they wouldn't bother. Why don't you just make a playlist folder called "this week" or whatever and put the .0003% in there?

...so nobody had a solution to my problem or...?

I think the answer was to go to the little magnifying glass and switch search from "Entire Library" to "All". This appears to make search work like it used to, and is definitely improved my performance on an external drive.

Or did you have another question I missed, Mr. Raggett?

is definitely improved = has definitely improved

I don't see how that would work and I'm sure they wouldn't bother

This is what makes me CRAZY. Shouldn't it be easy to just make the playlists so you can put them in any order you want? And why wouldn't they want to do that? Especially w/ the mania for list-making, ranking, etc. It seems so basic to me....

EZ -- thanks, that may well be exactly what's needed. I'll try it tonight.

xpost the only workaround I can think of is to put a numeral, or alphanumeral, at the start of each playlist name. Much more annoying than dragging them to different positions.

I don't know, to allow putting the playlist in any order would require an entire new way of thinking. There's nothing in OSX that allows something like that, so they'd hardly consider it. Even if they added "list" style sorting "view by date added" "view by length" etc, that would be a stretch. I'm not saying I don't appreciate why you'd want to do that or that I wouldn't find that useful, just considering that that seems really unlikely based on the history of apple interface design.

eh? the finder sidebar allows it. exact same paradigm

oh yeah. good point.

still, conceptually, they probably see the playlists more like they see a list items in a finder window. Something to be automatically sorted, not personalized and organized.

well i mean the finder used to be spatial until OS X.

i mean it would be a pretty major rethink of the itunes UI, and obviously apple is trying to make everything look like a suedette webpage these days, but i would be interested.

I'm confused - we're just talking about reordering the playlists in the sidebar, right? that's like the most minor change I can think of. Am amazed it doesn't work, tbh

yeah i'm making a more general point that you can or could reorganize stuff much more dramatically (ugh) than in the new finder sidebar, and it seems like a problem where, if all your arranging is 100s of similar items (just playlists, nothing like the complexity of the finder) it should be pretty easy.

also lol apple UI design since 2000.

you're

oh man now I'm ready to burn Apple down to the ground. You can no longer open playlists in their own windows. I spend half my waking hours with multiple playlists open, in windows tiled in different monitors, so I can compare playlists and move songs between them. This is brutal and is really really going to piss me off if they don't put that back. Other people are complaining.

damn that sucks

oof hadnt noticed that one! SUCKS!

not that I ever use that functionality but it's stupid to remove it

can you select and move multiple playlists at once yet? that infuriates me: they finally gave us the option to store playlists in folders but you have to move them all in there one at a time? FFFFFUUUU apple like srs

*smashes fist on table*

actually... i'm kinda glad they removed the pop out window functionality. i always used it by accidentally double clicking the playlist area.

has anyone figured out how to drag songs from your library onto your manually-managed ipod

no

just figured out you have to open the column sidebar to do that

oh man now I'm ready to burn Apple down to the ground. You can no longer open playlists in their own windows. I spend half my waking hours with multiple playlists open, in windows tiled in different monitors, so I can compare playlists and move songs between them. This is brutal and is really really going to piss me off if they don't put that back. Other people are complaining.

― dan selzer, Tuesday, December 4, 2012 8:30 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this is huge.

i've been a mac user for all of 3 weeks and it works and it's totally cush and i have no real problem with the new itunes but apple's horizontal monopoly on media management is tighter than i thought. seems like there could be a prosumer library management alternative to itunes out there but it's tumbleweeds as far as i can tell.

oh well *sorts by makeshift album artist scheme*

so this is what the post-jobs era looks like

quite good hardware, negligible product innovation, hilariously bad software

hey... can you guys post more details about what kind of music library features you like? because if it's something that can be coded up in 10 minutes...

Was thinking that too. The problem is syncing w/iPod, which is a must, I'd think.

there are a few lightweight iTunes replacement apps I've checked out in the past, no syncing w/ iPod/Phone but maybe preferable for some.

I'm mostly happy with the changes (other than that big one mentioned above), but I also question the design. It's more "colorful" but kinda "eh". I hope this isn't the result of Ive taking over interface design. I want my software to look like a Braun razor and with no drop shadows. Maybe I just want everything to look like Windows 8, though I've read complaints that they went to far and icons and UX are confusing.

I don't know what the ideal clean/modern/intuitive interface looks like to be honest. Maybe something closer to Abelton Live.

I think I don't like the subte 3d qualities. The gradient shade/glow in the info window for instance, though maybe I'd miss it when i's gone. Meanwhile those fancy arrows that bring up the fancy new pop-up next to the song name just has the same options, minus 1 or 2, as right clicking on them.

I hope this isn't the result of Ive taking over interface design.

too late for ive to have any impact other than removing paper shredders, surely

Wouldn't it be great if the reason iTunes was delayed was because Ive took over and found out they had a view of albums sitting on wooden shelves and he demanded it be removed before release?

even worse, it was CDs in jewel cases.

Oh my

you slid out and unfolded the cover, with virtual gingers

virtual FINGERS

sigh