Magic: The Gathering C/D

here's all the cards i haven't played yet in RTR limited. i got this list down to single digits for innistrad, not sure i'll get there with this set but it's fun to try for some of these when the draft is going awful already

Rest in Peace (maybe sideboard vs a really linear golgari deck?)
Sphere of Safety (this is for some sort of niche prison control deck i guess)
Trained Caracal (passable with scavenge or ethereal armor, just haven't had to yet)

Chronic Flooding (this is definitely a shitty niche deck and i want to do it at least once)
Psychic Spiral (wincon for the flooding deck)
Search the City (probably not even worth it in a deck with a bunch of multiples, won't try too hard to hit this one)

Destroy the Evidence (i dunno, it doesn't mill or LD quite efficiently enough)
Drainpipe Vermin (definitely see myself stooping to this at some point)
Shrieking Affliction (these effects are rarely good but might be fun to try once)

Guild Feud (the deck that wants this probably can't win without it sadly)
Pyroconvergence (not the worst build-around, just haven't had the opportunity yet)
Racecourse Fury (my vote for most useless card in the set, don't expect to ever hit this one without intentional sabotage which is not what this exercise is about)
Survey the Wreckage (could sideboard vs underworld connections)
Utvara Hellkite (had this in a sealed pool once but that pool also had 2 Chaos Imps so it wasn't necessary. seems fine as a finisher in the ramp deck)
Vandalblast (i'm not this afraid of keyrunes. maybe there'll be a better target for it in full block)

Oak Street Innkeeper (if i play this it'll be because i forgot to draft enough creatures, not because its ability is relevant)
Urban Burgeoning (would take a ton of cheap instants and activated abilities before this actually worked as a ramp spell and not a blank)
Worldspine Wurm (will gladly try this in the ramp deck if i ever get the opportunity)

Epic Experiment (i'm sure someone's done this properly by now but it wasn't me)
Havoc Festival (have heard that this actually works in limited but haven't seen it in action yet)
Heroes' Reunion (i've sideboarded in angel's grace before so maybe)
Isperia, Supreme Judge (obviously a good card, just haven't had it yet)
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord (same)
Lotleth Troll (same)
Rakdos Ringleader (this isn't even bad in a 'wouldn't it be amusing if i actually played it' way, it's just a really inefficiently costed creature)
Righteous Authority (haven't had it yet, seems great though)
Search Warrant (super awkward in that lifegain and peek effects are good against different types of decks, and neither is playable regardless)
Slaughter Games (not even interested in this vs pack rat unless they have more than 1)

Blistercoil Weird (the guy who won last weekend's MTGO PTQ had this in his top8 deck but i can't imagine it being very good)
Growing Ranks (fine card, haven't had it with enough token generators yet)
Judge's Familiar (goes in the same deck as Trained Caracal i think)
Nivmagus Elemental (i like all-in strategies more than most people but i still think this doesn't do it well enough in limited)

Codex Shredder (seems custom designed for the chronic flooding deck, mills you then gets your spiral back when you mill it)
Pithing Needle (marginal sideboard card vs planeswalkers or pack rat)
Street Sweeper (4/6 for 6 is okay, just haven't needed it bad enough yet)
Tablet of the Guilds (yeah i dunno, there's no chalice of life pipedream wincon for lifegain cards in this set yet)

If you pull a Lotleth Troll, Urban burgeoning becomes a nice way to always have regeneration available on your opponent's turn

that doesn't really work because if they have instant speed removal then you can never actually tap that land anyway or they kill it before it untaps again

haha maybe the reason im bad @ rtr is that ive played w/at least half of those...

there are a # of cards that work 'best' in gimmick decks i think you noted the doorkeeper/flooding deck but i had some success w/havoc festival in my hand destruction/shrieking affliction deck. this deck also wants drainpipe vermin and ringleader as much as any deck 'wants' those two. this was actually the most successful of the gimmick decks i tried but its almost never supported by the card pool

i tried a nivmagus deck once and managed to get to the finals of an 8-4. i also played it and blistercoil weird and the familiar in a deck w/two civic sabers and a bunch of other cheap hybrid creatures which i think might have been good if i had built it a little better and played a little tighter w/it. i think i ended 2-2 @ an fnm with that one

ive had burgeoning, sphere and caracal in ethereal armor decks, the sphere was obv p bad. i think i thought it was soul tithe when i was building. still went 3-0 w/that partic deck tho which is p lol since i have generally done p bad w/ethereal armor

strangely isperia, jarad and worldspine wurm are the three mythics ive never opened. also for general interest i have never drafted or opened a carnival hellsteed or an underworld connections on mtgo

awesome, i'm glad someone else out there is with me on the 'must try everything' plan for limited formats

you guys are crazy

while i'm at it, here's my 5 most-owned cards for the 3 limited formats i've played a lot on MTGO, they really betray my preferences a bit:

RTR
Voidwielder
Pursuit of Flight
Chemister's Trick
Sunspire Griffin
Viashino Racketeer

M13
Watercourser
Disentomb
Sign in Blood
Essence Scatter
Crippling Blight

ISD
Grave Bramble
Armored Skaab
Victim of Night
Rotting Fensnake
Mulch
Silent Departure (tied for 5th)

i def managed to draft/open every common and uncommon in M13 and avacyn although i doubt i actually cast all of them. M13 might have been close the only card i can think of offhand that i def didnt play was craterize. oh and serpent's gift. i have never played a serpent's gift.

the burgeoning goes with underworld connections I'd say

whoa awesome i didn't even think of that. doubt it'd be worth it with just that though.

presumably the land enchantment theme will continue through the block so there might be more relevant things to do with it later

I will say a Sphere of Safety deck can really be a lot of fun if you build it right. You need multiple spheres though since getting two of them out is ridiculous.

Today I did a real horrible Azorius deck and eeked out 2-1 anyway. My connection dropped at the end of pack 2 and didn't pick back up until pack 3 pick 7 which is to say I was forced to play multiple Downsizes and a Search Warrant because I did not want to run 18 lands and I literally had to play every card in color I had. It was actually quite good at locking opponents down, it had a bunch of 3 toughness flyers, 3 Voidweilders, lots of other dumb stuff, just no real way to win. Match 1 I took the guy down to like a minute because we were playing this dumb game where he'd play Trostani, I'd bounce it a bunch of times, then we'd race flyers and his infinite tokens + my Rogue's Passage, just a real stupid match that would have made me feel like a champ had I won. Match 3, Game 1 I play against another Azorius deck and we're at a total stalemate. I'm just waiting for Rogue's passage and I finally get it on turn 21 but he gets his Guildmage. He eventually kills me at 1 life but uses 22 minutes of his clock in the process. In retrospect this is really the only way I could have won this match.

this already got posted in the death grips thread but i dunno how much these threads intermingle. thought i'd xpost here for posterity

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Thinking about heading back into Standard. Someone upthread (maybe Cider?) had posted an interesting Devastation Tide deck that looked really neat so I was thinking about running something like that. Sphinx of the Chimes is one of my favorite build-around RTR cards since it doesn't seem too tough to just draw yourself out with it once you get rolling. And of course you can win with Lab Maniac, which would make this my 4th Lab Maniac deck. Here's the start:

4 Abundant Growth
4 Gatecreeper Vines
4 Elvish Visionary
4 Archeomancer
4 Devastation Tide

3 Sphinx of the Chimes
1 Labratory Maniac

And then a bunch of mana accel, probably Farseek and Ranger's Path.

Also thinking Cyclonic Rifts. Between those and devastation tides you can clear your opponents' board over and over again.

Easy to splash a color in this deck - White gives you Terminus while Black gives you Treasured Find.

No idea if this'll work, I haven't really played Standard since Dark Ascension, but it at least looks fun to try!

Standard seems pretty fun right now - good amount of variety, room for innovation, and no overwhelmingly popular deck. I'm tickled that there is a deck with Nightshade Peddler that has done decently. I'm mostly about Limited, but I played Standard a bit this summer during the height of UW Delver and it was miserable to play against that deck every other round. That Tide deck seems too fragile, but probably way fun to get the combo off.

Yeah I have a buddy who won $1250 (possibly more, I don't know if he split) with a 4c Peddler deck! There's definitely more variety than the Delver/Mana Leak/Vapor Snag/Geist days but from what I've seen the same few cards are showing up in every deck, particularly Thragtusk and Restoration Angel, which have no real good answer anywhere. Lots of Farseeks/Sphinx's Relevations too. Definitely preferable to a lot of Standard eras but I don't really like what winds up happening when there is so much good mana fixing available. Between Shocklands and buddylands (the M13/Innistrad ones) you don't need basics at all!

Really have no idea how the Sphinx deck will play out. Some of my ideas for Standard wind up working really well (such as Seance or my "fateful hour" deck that abused Hex Parasite), some really just can't win unless you draw a perfect hand (such as my really-stupid-in-retrospect Riddlesmith deck that would play 15 spells in three turns and lose, plus a Battle Hymn/Reforge the Soul deck that tried to win with Molten Psyche). The problem for me is they all seem good in my head!

frogbs i gave up on that deck when thragtusk took off, its essentially just another bant control variant and thragtusk control mirror matches are absolutely miserable to play. the guttersnipe deck i played at gameday which i posted upthread is pretty bad now too, though it was prescient in its use of thundermaw hellkite, which is nice because i picked them up at half their current price.

my default standard deck for now is GWB unburial rites, swinging back and forth between the midrange thragtusk/angel builds and the all-in craterhoof ones as necessary. have also been looking at naya humans, and worked a bit on an ethereal armor/spectral flight deck feat. geist of saint traft and invisible stalker. would like to revisit that one at some point since it seems uniquely powerful with the right build, but i'm focused on getting stuff for modern season right now.

haha i had an idea for a human sac deck that abused thatcher's revolt and blood artist this summer so i ended up picking up three falkenrath artistocrats for $16 total and hellriders for p much nothing. the deck was really terrible and i ended up playing rites as well but its amusing to see that a similar (if much better) decks has been getting some traction. the upside tho is that most of the cards i bought for it have like tripled in value

i like having good mana in standard because it makes stuff like the nightshade peddler deck viable that might not be otherwise. i don't mind restoration angel or thragtusk on their own as top tier standard cards but i dislike their interaction with each other and how many deck shells there are that support that combo in a way that makes not playing it seem foolish

haha i bought a ton of falkenrath aristocrats on MTGO for 4 tickets each when DKA came out because i thought they were going to be amazing, then sold them back a couple weeks later for the same price because i decided speculating was dumb and i wasn't playing them in anything. whoops

i had an idea for a human sac deck that abused thatcher's revolt and blood artist

I was thinking about doing something with Thatcher and Goldnight Commander. That combo was basically an auto-win in Limited so I have to think it's at least somewhat good in Standard?

yeah i tried that in boros tokens/humans w/champion of the parish and gather and stuff. i found that r/b was better but neither were really powerful enough and lol if golgari charm starts seeing significant play

whoa, a buddy of mine's Peddler deck just became a DailyMTG feature!

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/deck/1119

Nice. That deck is the best kind of janky deck.

standard seems really fluid right now, with almost every deck feeling like it exists on the same continuous spectrum with the red-black aggro deck at one end and the 4x sphinx's revelation decks at the other. also there's an interesting element to it where the most powerful individual cards tend to pull you toward the edges (revelation, falkenrath aristocrat) while the most powerful synergy cards pull you toward the middle (restoration angel, unburial rites, etc)

obviously there's always a few cards and interactions worth griping about but i think this is generally the model of a balanced format at the moment

sooo theres a gp here this weekend which i wont be playing in BUT that means that therell be a p dece standard tournament on sunday that i should be able to make. if this thread has any suggestions about what deck to play i will def play it (unless it requires a bunch of cards i dont have i guess) since im p bored of reanimator but i really want to play something

i 3-1ed a standard daily with naya humans last night, the deck runs 34 creatures and 3 selesnya charm so it's not for everyone but it seemed to match up well vs the R/B aggro decks while having some good nut draws vs midrange.

if you want something less 'fair' that's not reanimator you could play the ethereal armor/invis stalker deck but i was having trouble racing R/B with it so now might not be the time.

there's also this deck
http://mtgstats.com/Deck.aspx?DeckID=557724
which i am kind of terrified of but no one plays it because it's like $800. its basically a continuation of the deck that was 80% of the innistrad block metagame. if you somehow have all the cards it might be really good, i dunno, i have no way of testing it.

update: just found this in MTGO results, you should play it
http://mtgstats.com/Deck.aspx?DeckID=558781

so gravel and I have been discussing the possibility for an ilx draft of sorts

feel like we could get 8 people. I imagine we'd need to be flexible w/ matches and possibly even the draft itself? is there a way we could do something via email?

so I guess the first question is - who's interested?

I have a sealed league with a friend right now (he's West Coast USA, I'm UK, so there's an 8 hour gap) - it's super fun!

We started off opening one booster, built our 1-pack-sealed deck (kinda weirdly skill-testing in that you're having to weigh up for each card beyond like the 5th whether the dilution is worth the risk of decking yourself) and battled, then each week we open another pack and add it to the pool, with a 30-card min kicking in at 4 and 40 at 6. We're currently on 7.

My favourite aspect is the metagaming - the pools are public and you build to beat their rares and then sometimes they throw a crazy curveball and run something completely different, it's awesome.

Practicality wise we're cracking the "packs" on draft.bestiaire.org and posting them to a common thread so we have a record, then playing via Skype and tappedout.

Anyway magic is the best, was the point here.

I am also for this kinda thing ftr and it might work out better pragmatically, because then we really only need a fixed # of people who start and people can play whomever is available w/ their deck that week. instead of obligations.

my only preference, no matter what we do, is to use as many random sets as possible.

What do y'all think about Fall of the Gavel in draft? I've had some success with it for two reasons - 1) 5-mana counterspells actually don't hinder you too much since Azorius kinda tops out there, and 2) both Rakdos and Izzet can have major problems having to deal that extra 5 damage. essentially it can be a big two-for-one since it counters a spell (usually a big one at that point AND it can cancel out an Explosive Impact or something). I'm not saying it's ideal but for a 23rd card I've been having some success. I found a similar thing with Lost in the Mist in Innistrad, it's been oddly effective for a card that most serious drafters wouldn't read twice.

another thing is I wanted to point out this crazy deck that apparently is having some success. it actually doesn't seem too expensive to build since a lot of the big money mythics are 1x or 2x's. of course that land base is a real bitch but I'm lucky enough to own a lot of the shocklands from the last Rav set. this is the first time I can think of where I've been tempted to just rip someone else's deck wholesale.

2 Glacial Fortress
3 Hallowed Fountain
4 Sunpetal Grove
4 Temple Garden
2 Overgrown Tomb
4 Hinterland Harbor
1 Steam Vents
1 Plains
1 Island
1 Forest
1 Alchemist's Refuge
1 Kessig Wolf Run
2 Fog
4 Farseek
3 Chromatic Lantern
4 Ranger's Path
4 Supreme Verdict
1 Door to Nothingness
2 Gilded Lotus
4 Increasing Ambition
1 Thragtusk
2 Terminus
2 Sphinx's Revelation
2 Temporal Mastery
1 Angel of Serenity
1 Nicol Bolas, planeswalker
1 Griselbrand
1 Omniscience
Sideboard
4 Centaur Healer
1 Thoughtflare
3 Thragtusk
1 Planar Cleansing
2 Terminus
1 Temporal Mastery
1 Worldfire
2 Sphinx's Revelation

yeah that looks like a travis woo deck. i wouldn't run it right now since its a bit too slow to beat the BR aggro deck which is the most popular deck at the moment from what i've seen. he's got a sphere of safety prison deck up today that doesn't look as powerful but is goofier and probably better vs aggro.

Yeah I watched the videos of Luis Scott-Vargas playing that deck to 4-0 in a Daily Event, it was a joy to watch. He actually beat BR aggro twice! I suspect the deck would do better without Omniscience and Door (and probably Nicol Bolas too) but it certainly makes the deck more fun.

meanwhile, i'm hoping i can get the cards for the burn at the stake deck so i can play it at FNM before the secret's out and people know how to play against it. not looking good for this week though unless someone has a trade binder full of the bulk rares i need like Reforge the Soul and Increasing Vengeance

you guys aren't interested in our ilx game :(

i'll play if its sealed, i dunno if i can keep up w/ a draft reliably

I think sealed w/ weekly increases in our card pool is a great idea. no time commitments, can work on your deck whenever but there's still an element of stability?

i did a bunch of sealed leagues in the past on another site using increasing card pools (i think we started at 4 or 5 packs, adding 1 each week) which worked out nicely. there was also some sort of mechanism for the people with bad pools to catch up, like the people with losing records got to choose a common from the set to add to their pools each week, or something like that.

how did you pick the packs?

ciderpress whats yr mtgo account i can ship you the stuff for the storm/burn tokens deck

lamp you are playing in our league I have decided for you

lamp i meant irl, i have everything on mtgo

that league just went block by block so like one season was just lorwyn/morningtide packs alternating or whatever. if we wanted to mix it up more we could but you can't just let people decide what their 5 packs are going to be because some of the older sets are really imbalanced for limited.

I want to mix things up

but same sets for everyone

ie one week everyone gets a visions pack

i think this has been discussed a lot in various places but if you could do a sealed with 6 packs of your choice the correct ones to choose are weird. i think darksteel was one of the best options just because it's a small set with fireball in it. i'd probably consider going all lorwyn because of extreme synergy and 5 planeswalkers at regular rare

what if we started w/ 6 first sets and just added chronologically?