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I'm sure The Lex will be along to defend Phillips in a bit.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:52 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Why? Does she like Paris Hilton too?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:53 (eleven years ago) Permalink

From a hack standpoint, watching Littlejohn try and alter his rhetoric since moving from The Sun to the Mail has been pretty fascinating. He doesn't fit in at the mail, it's like watching some scally squeezed into a Matalan suit for a court appearance. He does his best work as the White Van Man spokesperson, not for people who suffer heart attacks every time the house price market changes slightly. More builder's tea than Whittards.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:54 (eleven years ago) Permalink

what does Garry Bushell do now he's apparently no longer a TV critic?

Why don't they have as big "voices" as their American counterparts?

they literally have less reach? not as big a field to operate in? the media is 'bigger' in the US?

blueski, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:55 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Simon Heffer is too much of a hilarious cartoon villain to be properly annoying

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Anyway, could yr Bill O'Reillies or yr Anne Coulters drop gems like this?

Let's get the caveat out of the way from the off. The five women murdered in Ipswich were tragic, lost souls who met a grisly end. I sincerely hope whoever killed them is caught, charged and convicted.

No one with a shred of humanity would wish upon them their ghastly lives and horrible deaths. But Mother Teresa, they weren't.

And I know this might sound frightfully callous in the current hysterical, emotional climate, but we're not all guilty.

We do not share in the responsibility for either their grubby little existences or their murders. Society isn't to blame.

It might not be fashionable, or even acceptable in some quarters, to say so, but in their chosen field of "work'=", death by strangulation is an occupational hazard.

That doesn't make it justifiable homicide, but in the scheme of things the deaths of these five women is no great loss.

They weren't going to discover a cure for cancer or embark on missionary work in Darfur. The only kind of missionary position they undertook was in the back seat of a car.

Of course their friends and families are grieving. That's what friends and families do. But they should also be asking themselves if there was anything they could have done to prevent what happened.

If you discovered your daughter had gone on the game to feed her heroin habit, wouldn't you move heaven and earth to get her off it?

Frankly, I'm tired of the lame excuses about how they all fell victim to ruthless pimps who plied them with drugs. These women were on the streets because they wanted to be.

We are all capable of free will. At any time, one or all of them could have sought help from the police, or the church, or a charity, or a government agency specifically established to deal with heroin addicts. They chose not to.

The tortuous twistings of the sisterhood over the past week have been a joy to behold. The 30-yearold Spare Rib T-shirts have been brought out of mothballs and we've been treated to the All Men Are Bastards/Rapists/Murderers mantra from assorted Glendas who ought to be old enough to know better.

We've heard the well-rehearsed arguments for legalised and regulated prostitution, as if we were living under the Taliban. The fact is, we've already got de facto legal brothels on every High Street.

They're call saunas or massage parlours.

As I remarked when the Labour MP Joe Ashton was once caught in a Siamese "sauna" in Northampton, he must have been the only man in Britain ever to go to a massage parlour for a massage. It doesn't get much more glamorous than that.

These five women were on the streets because even the filthiest, most disreputable back-alley "sauna" above a kebab shop wouldn't give them house room.

The men who used them were either too mean to fork out whatever a massage parlour charges, or simply weren't fussy. Some men are actually turned on by disgusting, drug-addled street whores. Where there's demand, there'll always be supply.

This wasn't a case of women going on the game to put bread on the table, or to look after their "babies". That's what the welfare state is for. They did it for drugs.

The gormless Guardianistas simply refuse to confront this blindingly obvious reality. They would rather deify celebrity druggies such as Kate Moss and Will Self than face the truth that hard drugs wreck lives.

What I find most objectionable about all this is the attempt to make us all feel responsible for the murders. There is a nasty whiff of Lady Di about the enforced mood of mourning, with even the Old Bill coming across like hand-wringing archbishops.

At Ipswich Town's home game on Saturday, there was a minute's silence. We were supposed to believe that this was a true reflection of the community's sympathy.

I don't buy it. Most people went along with it in the spirit of emotional correctness and through fear of getting their heads kicked in if they didn't.

There was only one thing missing, but don't bet against it.

When Blair gets back from saving the Middle East, don't be surprised if he turns up at the funeral of one of these unfortunate women to deliver a lip-trembling, tear-stained eulogy: "She was the People's Prostitute".

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:56 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Maybe difference between US "what the government is doing is right but it is being hampered by imaginary lefty conspiracy" vs UK's more marginalised "everything everyone does is wrong and gives you cancer, whatever happened to the good old days wahhh"

Michael Philip Philip Philip philip Annoyman, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 12:59 (eleven years ago) Permalink

old people: who did the mail / sun tilt against during the thatcher years? the oppositon?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The unions

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:01 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Looney Left, Militant up in Liverpool, Red Ken down in London. "THEY'RE BANNING OUR KIDS FROM SINGING "BAA BAA BLACK SHEEP"" political correctness gone mad stuff.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And, yeah, Scargill obviously.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:02 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Ginger lefties

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:03 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Argies

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:04 (eleven years ago) Permalink

jon gaunt

djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:07 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And blacks.

Dom Passantino, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:08 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Rightwing pundits don't have quite the sway in the UK they have in the U.S. because the whole political compass is skewed a little more to the left in Britain. The UK doesn't have that gigantic Jesus-and-gun-loving constituency that exists in the U.S.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:09 (eleven years ago) Permalink

because the whole political compass is skewed a little more to the left in Britain

What?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:12 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You heard me.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

The whole political compass = right of centre main parties + "extremist crackpots"

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:13 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Little" being the operative word

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:14 (eleven years ago) Permalink

skewed towards the US left, i.e. the right by any 20th century standard.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:16 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Talking of crackpots, get a read of the Scottish Christian Party manifesto:

9. Prisons
The Scottish Christian Party believes that the much needed extra prison
capacity should be purchased from developing countries for the purpose
of catering for Scotland’s medium Security Prisons. This should take the
form of building state of the art prison facilities in developing countries
that wish to host Scottish Prisons.
Advantages would include:
1. Less overcrowded prisons, cheaper costs and greater efficiency
2. More resources at home to look after our worst offenders properly
3. More economic trade instead of aid handouts to developing
countries
4. Raising prison standards in developing countries by example and
the provision of expertise.

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

They say this is no different to setting up call centres abroad.

onimo, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:17 (eleven years ago) Permalink

'by any 20th century standard'

what now?

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:18 (eleven years ago) Permalink

do they have less sway cos the most emotive right / left battles have been "won"? ie the unions, the acceptability of prejudice? i think they are "learning" from the american's clarkson's whole schtick is provication isn't it, look how angry i can make these daft eco-nuts!

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Between 1980 and the present the whole political spectrum in the western world has been drifting rightwards back into liberalism (with certain conservative tendencies)

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:20 (eleven years ago) Permalink

british journalism is more frivolous and clubbable than US journalism. all UK hacks know each other. this probably isn't so much the case in the states.

yes ed i know. but the idea that liberalism is the worst the 20th century right has to offer is batshit insane. as is the idea that welfare capitalism was some kind of 'left'. even without factoring in the fact that at the start of the century liberalism was kind of... left-wing.

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:24 (eleven years ago) Permalink

outsourcing prisons to eastern european countries in the EC - who will be the first New Labour or Tories?

djmartian, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:26 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Send 'em all to Botany Bay.

I think for historical reasons the U.S. has this strong libertarian streak (ie right to bear arms etc.) coupled with a strong religious/puritan streak. Put the two together and they coelesce into a very strong, very dynamic right-wing culture that simply doesn't exist in the UK. And that's why rightwing pundits don't have so much sway. I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:27 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I mean David Cameron would be quite a bit to the left of most Democrat candidates.

Not where it matters he isn't

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Rightwing pundits have an absolute fuckload of sway, party politics is an irrelevence here. Ask White Van Man what he thinks about asylum seekers.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:29 (eleven years ago) Permalink

I would say that liberalism was progressive not left- wing per say. And whether or not you think 'welfare capitalism' is of the left or not, the centre is to the right of even that now.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:30 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost to Tom D.

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

british reactionary right is xenophobic and defensive rather than on constant attack like the americans?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:32 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Where it matters? Well for a start I'm guessing Cameron's not going to dismantle the NHS in any fundamental way. Can you imagine a serious Democrat candidate proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare?

We'll see how good that guess is when he wins the next election. Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it. Cameron is only "radical" when it comes to wearing a wind turbine on your head or cycling backwards on a bicycle made entirely of radishes

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:35 (eleven years ago) Permalink

You sure you're not mixing up David Cameron with John Otway?

Marcello Carlin, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

And Wild Willie Whitelaw?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:38 (eleven years ago) Permalink

upthread are you dudes talking economic or social liberalism? or both?

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:41 (eleven years ago) Permalink

both

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:42 (eleven years ago) Permalink

xpost

Sure, Cameron didn't come up with free healthcare! But the political climate is such that he'd have a hard time getting rid of it. Which underlines my point about the political background being skewed more leftwards in the UK, despite years of Thatcher/Blair.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:43 (eleven years ago) Permalink

"Cameron isn't proposing universal, free-at-the-point-of-service healthcare either, we've already got it."

well except for things involving teeth or eyes, ie the only two things i ever go in for...

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:44 (eleven years ago) Permalink

just going to say

Alan, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:45 (eleven years ago) Permalink

We'll see how hard a time he has getting rid of it, it'll be less hard than you think once he persuades the middle classes it's in their interest (xxpost)

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:46 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Well, I think if it were politically possible to get rid of the NHS, it would have already been done. Anyway, doesn't Cameron have a disabled kid or something. He probably uses the NHS more than the average Tory.

underpants of the gods, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

They are getting rid of it already, piece by piece

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:49 (eleven years ago) Permalink

um guys the nhs is already on the way out...

xpost!

That one guy that quit, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 13:50 (eleven years ago) Permalink

BUT immigration is the no 1 concern of uk voters! apprently. maybe my first hypothesis was v v wrong.

acrobat, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:21 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Not according to the most recent polls.

Ed, Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Being tough on immigration didn't do Michael Howard much good last time round did it?

Tom D., Tuesday, 24 April 2007 14:23 (eleven years ago) Permalink

Additionally, even if it wasn’t financially viable for the Gatestone Institute, you can still rely on the BBC.

Something has plainly gone very wrong at @BBCNewsnight. This evening—on the day of the racist murder of Muslims in #Christchurch—they gave a platform to racist hate organisation Generation Identity. Would you explain your decision @esmewren? I’ll be making a formal complaint. pic.twitter.com/RdQcfxAeF1

— Tom Kibasi (@TomKibasi) March 15, 2019

Xp! Snap.

ShariVari, Saturday, 16 March 2019 06:16 (five days ago) Permalink

Is it just a ratings thing?

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 16 March 2019 06:41 (five days ago) Permalink

The most charitable reading

( ͡☉ ͜ʖ ͡☉) (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 16 March 2019 06:43 (five days ago) Permalink

Newsnight has a bigger audience on significant news days so I’m minded to say they could do with being more responsible on those broadcasts. It costs them nothing and I can’t see how it’s worth it, publicity-wise, to wind up people who have a problem with normalising the fash. The GI creeps are at Speaker’s Corner most days rubbing up against nutters of all stripes. How difficult is it for production staff to just leave them there?

suzy, Saturday, 16 March 2019 07:19 (five days ago) Permalink

most nights newsnight struggles to post up a representative voice for the UK’s official opposition... so howtf have they got on a representative for thenppl who advocate the systematic ethnic cleansing of BAME people

and on the same day as christchurch too wth

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Saturday, 16 March 2019 07:24 (five days ago) Permalink

has there been any good writing on how the emergent global far right could look to exploit the upcoming european parliamentary elections? this piece was a little unsettling - and I'm thinking about things like bannon touring europe pressing the flesh w various RW figures here, farage's visit to salvini last week etc. it seems like they're getting pretty organised. I'd be interested in reading any pieces that draw historical parallels with, uh, the 1930s too : /
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanhatesthis/brazil-jair-bolsonaro-facebook-elections

and - hopefully not being too parochial about this - but this wider trend is actually one of the reasons I'm v concerned about the way the 'resolution' to brexit is handled. thankfully I think our politicians do understand that if it is not dealt with sensitively and in a fashion which respects democratic principles, the far right feeds on 'betrayal'

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Saturday, 16 March 2019 07:35 (five days ago) Permalink

My feeling is that the far right says they’re betrayed whatever the rest of us do or don’t do. I advocate calling out their entitlement issues whenever possible.

suzy, Saturday, 16 March 2019 07:46 (five days ago) Permalink

This is what the Spectator has published following a massacre of Muslims by a far-right terrorist #notshockinganymore pic.twitter.com/FdTuVfAS7h

— Miqdaad Versi (@miqdaad) March 15, 2019

The Spectator still on their Islamophobia isn’t real tip.

ShariVari, Saturday, 16 March 2019 08:22 (five days ago) Permalink

Let us be very clear, what happened today was a diabolical and methodical ordering of words into a readable structure conveying a messages. it is most certainly not a sentence

anvil, Saturday, 16 March 2019 09:29 (five days ago) Permalink

wrt Newsnight, I don’t think there is a single cause. Esme Wren came in as Editor after thirteen years at Sky and seems to have intensified it but a lot of this stuff was present when Ian Katz (ex Guardian) was in charge, and probably before that too.

Ratings are one factor, the infamous dedication to faux ‘balance’ another. I think there are definitely people at the BBC who see Nick Griffin’s demolition on Question Time as a pivotal moment in contemporary politics (ignoring the fact it was probably Marmite that did for the BNP in the end) - without taking into account how the far-right has adapted and become more agile.

I don’t think you get to where we are now without a deep hostility to the left, though. Both in the sense of tying the rise of the far-right and Soc Dem politics into a false narrative about extremism, to which the Sensible Centre is a panacea, and in the Nagle-style ‘too much id-pol makes people fascist’ .

ShariVari, Saturday, 16 March 2019 09:34 (five days ago) Permalink

I don't understand how the Newsnight/BNP story came to be that way it is. I remember the BNP getting a boost, and indeed they got their highest ever proportion of the vote in the election after the broadcast.

Leaghaidh am brón an t-anam bochd (dowd), Saturday, 16 March 2019 09:55 (five days ago) Permalink

Sunlight IS the best disinfectant. Doesn't stop it also being the best amplifier

anvil, Saturday, 16 March 2019 10:23 (five days ago) Permalink

I think it's mostly about making what they consider to be sexy, exciting television, if that helps the ratings that is obviously a good thing but I think it's primarily exciting for the programme makers, more exciting than talking to David Gauke again, for example.

Swing Band the Sailor (Tom D.), Saturday, 16 March 2019 10:26 (five days ago) Permalink

the whole practice of "live television interviews" such as practiced by newsnight is generally reprehensible. they want to come up with "gotcha questions" and put people on the spot and in doing so overestimate their ability to control the medium in the face of practiced and experienced liars

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Saturday, 16 March 2019 10:42 (five days ago) Permalink

the daily mirror running with: don't murderous nazi white supremacists make the cutest babies on the cover.

calzino, Saturday, 16 March 2019 10:48 (five days ago) Permalink

The Mail is running with ‘it was Facebook what done it’.

This Twitter argument between Abi Wilkinson and a bunch of people from LBC is something:

Hi Abi, one of LBC's producers here. James regularly calls out racism and Islamophobia (on and off air) including that of fellow LBC presenters.

— Sandra Glab (@glabsandra) March 16, 2019

Racism and Islamophobia are positive things to challenge and its great that one of the presenters we employ calls out the racism and Islamophobia of all the other presenters we employ.

ShariVari, Saturday, 16 March 2019 10:53 (five days ago) Permalink

the whole practice of "live television interviews" such as practiced by newsnight is generally reprehensible. they want to come up with "gotcha questions" and put people on the spot and in doing so overestimate their ability to control the medium in the face of practiced and experienced liars

― the scientology of mountains (rushomancy),

This is unfathomable to me - the seeming inability to deal with practiced and serial liars, to the point where you are wondering even after the show - do they even know they've been had?

Flipside is the really poor level of some of the people that do go on, a complete inability to deal with even the slightest tough questioning. Its one of the reason i think Left-leaning guests SHOULD go on Fox, its the best practice out there

anvil, Saturday, 16 March 2019 10:57 (five days ago) Permalink

Or else just keep Barry Gardiner away from any TV studio anywhere.

Swing Band the Sailor (Tom D.), Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:09 (five days ago) Permalink

Hi Abi, one of LBC's producers here. James regularly calls out racism and Islamophobia (on and off air) including that of fellow LBC presenters.

— Sandra Glab (@glabsandra) March 16, 2019

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:19 (five days ago) Permalink

Nick Griffin was out there giving talks twenty years ago about how the arguments needed to be about “culture” and “values”. And it has been for almost that long too.

In the modern day and age it’s engagement that drives numbers that drives profit, and the YouTube sea of recommendations is pulled from the people who spend the most time watching videos - conspiracy theorists and extremists to a man. Capitalism will stoke tensions, amplify bigots and count the profits with a # prayfor hashtag and a tear running down its cheek.

gyac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:19 (five days ago) Permalink

why....... are you hiring islamophobes?

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:20 (five days ago) Permalink

Refresh the thread zebra :)

gyac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:20 (five days ago) Permalink

oh sorry see SV posted that upthread xps

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:21 (five days ago) Permalink

extremely here for david aaronovitch getting a doing in tom kibasi’s mentions

Agree. The comparison with the IRA is obviously stupid. And afaik, after major IRA bombings, they weren’t given an unchallenged interview the night of the attacks. Aaronovitch obviously thinks these people have a point and it deserves to be heard.

— Tom Kibasi (@TomKibasi) March 16, 2019

PaulDananVEVO (||||||||), Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:29 (five days ago) Permalink

Fucking hell! If I were him I’d be keeping the head down low, but there he goes jumping in with “genocidal racists have a right to free speech too!”

gyac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 11:32 (five days ago) Permalink

http://flavible.com/politics/map/polls?sid=1542

from 15th

Survation showing LAB with 4 point lead. YouGov has CON with 4 pointlead

anvil, Saturday, 16 March 2019 12:12 (five days ago) Permalink

oops wrong place

anvil, Saturday, 16 March 2019 12:12 (five days ago) Permalink

LBC producer admitting they employ racists:

Hi Abi, one of LBC's producers here. James regularly calls out racism and Islamophobia (on and off air) including that of fellow LBC presenters.

— Sandra Glab (@glabsandra) March 16, 2019

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 March 2019 21:38 (five days ago) Permalink

Refresh the thread xyzebra

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Saturday, 16 March 2019 21:43 (five days ago) Permalink

bah it was so good it was worth doing again

xyzzzz__, Saturday, 16 March 2019 21:52 (five days ago) Permalink

it was worth it for the wins joke

gyac, Saturday, 16 March 2019 21:56 (five days ago) Permalink

board description imo

A funny tinge happened on the way to the forum (wins), Saturday, 16 March 2019 21:57 (five days ago) Permalink

Yep. That's where Tommy Robinson, the EDL the BNP, Column 88, the Aryan Brotherhood, Stormfront get all their ideas and information from - @thetimes. You fucking idiot.

— David Aaronovitch (@DAaronovitch) March 17, 2019

DA is not taking the observation that the Times has published some awful stuff well.

gyac, Sunday, 17 March 2019 16:12 (four days ago) Permalink

This is unfathomable to me - the seeming inability to deal with practiced and serial liars, to the point where you are wondering even after the show - do they even know they've been had?

Flipside is the really poor level of some of the people that do go on, a complete inability to deal with even the slightest tough questioning. Its one of the reason i think Left-leaning guests SHOULD go on Fox, its the best practice out there

― anvil

nah, honestly i find it very fathomable. that sort of belief that if you get someone to go on tv and say the 14 words, you've completely and thoroughly debunked them, because every right-thinking person is just born KNOWING why the 14 words are bad and god forbid you should have to explain it or anything

i don't think anybody needs "practice" arguing with the right. it posits argument as its own undifferentiated good. it isn't. there's nothing to discuss, the preconditions for rational discussion don't exist. i mean, shit, it's gotten to the point where our worldviews are so divergent the right is increasingly not even going to the trouble of misrepresenting us. "you'll never believe what the loony left is saying now - they're saying racism is a bad thing!"

the scientology of mountains (rushomancy), Sunday, 17 March 2019 18:09 (four days ago) Permalink

(xp) Supreme effort of will by Aaronovitch to leave Corbyn off that list.

Bielsa, Bub (Tom D.), Sunday, 17 March 2019 18:12 (four days ago) Permalink

Also it's rare for anyone to see through a bullshitty thing in one lightbulb instant. Rather you need a steady diet of fairly critical thinking, and an accumulation of knowledge, and a freedom from distractions, which not everyone has

Never changed username before (cardamon), Sunday, 17 March 2019 22:05 (four days ago) Permalink

Impressive display of professional solidarity from the British press at the moment - with everyone from comment leaders to investigative journalists to beauty / lifestyle correspondents - ‘left’ and right alike - lining up to shout at Owen Jones.

If there is ever a point at which it’s expedient for them to stand up to racism, rather than exculpating their colleagues and employers, the country will be in safe hands.

ShariVari, Monday, 18 March 2019 08:10 (three days ago) Permalink

What's he done

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 18 March 2019 08:45 (three days ago) Permalink

Suggested that people who work for newspapers without challenging their racist editorial lines, or work with racist colleagues without publicly repudiating their stories, are complicit in their racism.

ShariVari, Monday, 18 March 2019 08:50 (three days ago) Permalink

If they can’t understand valid points about racial bias in the media (plus the top-down ways it’s reinforced away from ‘lifestyle’ journalism and within it, too) and the role of ordinary workers (however high-profile these people are, most are only freelance writers) in perpetuating it, they’re just being arseholes to OJ for the sake of impressing their clique. I got piled on in a FB thread after mildly snarking about Jess Phillips’ opportunistic social climb to Spectator parties and a book deal via the method of denigrating Diane Abbott in public, and suddenly I was the villain for suggesting it’s bad to drink champagne in a garden with Taki.

suzy, Monday, 18 March 2019 08:52 (three days ago) Permalink

I don’t even like OJ but the way his colleagues pile on him & talk about him in public is disgraceful! Plus the way they refer to him as Squealer (an Animal Farm reference) is more than a bit homophobic and suggests they’re hiding behind plausible deniability to have that dig. But no, he’s the real problem.

gyac, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:12 (three days ago) Permalink

Oh, also, several of them were delightedly tweeting a video of him being called a wanker by a yellow vest - before it emerged that he’d been chased down the street by the same group of protesters who were shouting homophobic abuse at him. Yet him asking the press to hold themselves to any standards is “Trumpean”.

gyac, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:16 (three days ago) Permalink

Ron Liddle took a day off from the usual race-hate peddling yesterday in the ST for his other pet subject: that made up condition ME and the pathetic malingerers who claim to be afflicted with it. He needs to be put down in most brutally painful fashion rather than OJ (who I think is a complete wazzock as well tbh!).

calzino, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:19 (three days ago) Permalink

Today: why does Owen Jones talk about the media like it applied to everybody? Saturday: have you seen Janice Turner's fantastic piece about the left?

— The Justin Horton Show (@ejhchess) March 18, 2019

the other half of this is that you’ll see many of the same columnists piling in to have a pop at OJ - who is just one person - RTing their scummy mates at the Times going full culture war on trans people. Like Jan1c3 Turn3r afaict is employed by the Times to churn out scaremongering shit about trans people - and most of the pearl clutchers are fully on that train & spouting off that people who support trans rights are the real misogynists.

gyac, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:24 (three days ago) Permalink

Exactly. And let’s not forget JT’s husband is Exec Ed of the Sunday Times, so it’s up to him what goes in the paper. BTW, his father was Peter Preston, so I bet he rates himself as ‘liberal’.

suzy, Monday, 18 March 2019 11:42 (three days ago) Permalink

Urgh

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 18 March 2019 11:48 (three days ago) Permalink

They forget the whole seeking truth aspect of journalism, eh.

Never changed username before (cardamon), Monday, 18 March 2019 11:49 (three days ago) Permalink


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