Mulholland Drive - theories please.

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jaymc I think you're right that a Möebius strip is a better metaphor for the movie than a dream (which makes no sense given the chronology of events).

chester (synkro), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:36 (twenty years ago) link

how so? i thought the chronology was perfectly explained. the moebius strip might be a better metaphor for the execution of the plot, but the actual diegetic elements are logically presented, it just gets a bit hairy.

Dean Gulberry (deangulberry), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:39 (twenty years ago) link

If it's a dream, then she's dreaming after she's dead. Not impossible in Lynchworld per se, it just doesn't seem useful as a metaphor if you're going to stretch the definition of "dreaming" that far.

chester (synkro), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:43 (twenty years ago) link

shes not dead - its party a death anxiety dream.

jed (jed_e_3), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:48 (twenty years ago) link

(I think what I mean is diegesis and plot execution are not so far apart in MD.)

chester (synkro), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:48 (twenty years ago) link

haha I guess first we have to agree on which part of the movie is "real"! (or if any of it is)

chester (synkro), Monday, 17 November 2003 20:49 (twenty years ago) link

four years pass...

*REALLY* late to the table on this, but I finally saw this film this week -- and the Winkie's scene is *STILL* creeping me out.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 18:48 (sixteen years ago) link

still enjoying my chemical romance?

chaki, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 18:49 (sixteen years ago) link

that scene always reminds me of DuPar's

x-post

Shakey Mo Collier, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 18:49 (sixteen years ago) link

I saw this for the second time a few weeks ago and have now renounced my Moebius strip theory.

jaymc, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 18:52 (sixteen years ago) link

Remember that comedian on the Dr. Katz show who was making fun of gamers who sit in their houses all day? "How ya doin?" "Still looking for the blue key!"

Crazy how that fits with this movie.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 19:24 (sixteen years ago) link

this was on tv on saturday, and i thought it was some melrose-place like tv show for the first hour.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 19:25 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.ultimatedallas.com/backstage/shower2.gif

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 19:26 (sixteen years ago) link

the apt where they find the body of 'diane selwyn' is a few blocks away from my place.

omar little, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 19:28 (sixteen years ago) link

dude

gabbneb, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 21:14 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeesh.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 21:15 (sixteen years ago) link

bell_labs, was it on KRON? I was wondering how they'd edit <i>those scenes</i>.

Leee, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 22:19 (sixteen years ago) link

It kind of was some melrose-place like tv show for the first hour.

The Yellow Kid, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 22:20 (sixteen years ago) link

i don't know, i think it was on the CW or something? they must have edited out a bunch of sexy stuff. it didn't click with me that it was "actually" a david lynch movie until the part with extended acapella roy orbison song.

bell_labs, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 22:26 (sixteen years ago) link

what does CW stand for?

sexyDancer, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 22:27 (sixteen years ago) link

CW = former WB, i have no idea what it stands for

bell_labs, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 22:28 (sixteen years ago) link

It's a David Lynch movie from the moment the lights go down and the Angelo Badalamenti strikes up.

Cosmo Vitelli, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 22:28 (sixteen years ago) link

Mrs. Dancer thinks it's "Cunt Watch"

sexyDancer, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 22:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I saw it on Channel 9 here, and I gather I missed some steamy girl-on-girl action and a most unsexy masturbation scene in which Naomi Watts basically hatefucks herself (or so I'm told by my neighbor). '

Still, I'm mightily creeped out by the film.

Alex in NYC, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 22:36 (sixteen years ago) link

those scenes are key

chaki, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 22:46 (sixteen years ago) link

also, urgent

gabbneb, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 22:49 (sixteen years ago) link

hairpie blurred out for DVD
also: Lynch's one-chapter-only insistence basically resulted in a DVD that now no longer plays past the first hour or so. awesome :(

sexyDancer, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 22:52 (sixteen years ago) link

it's Lynch's Lovesexy.

Alfred, Lord Sotosyn, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 22:53 (sixteen years ago) link

When I think of the glory days of the internet that salon article usually comes to mind first. WE'RE DOIN IT GUYS! WE'RE SOLVING MULHOLLAND DRIVE!

Cosmo Vitelli, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 22:55 (sixteen years ago) link

thats weird

chaki, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 22:56 (sixteen years ago) link

That film is weird and nobody last century would have convinced their editors to let them analyze it.

Cosmo Vitelli, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 23:02 (sixteen years ago) link

what?

chaki, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 23:03 (sixteen years ago) link

those scenes are key

I see what you did there.

Pleasant Plains, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 23:05 (sixteen years ago) link

Chaki I was half kidding about the glory days. All the same no mainstream print media would ever devote so much space to a Lynch dissection.

Cosmo Vitelli, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 23:11 (sixteen years ago) link

you've obviously never read Cinemafantastique!

chaki, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 23:14 (sixteen years ago) link

we need to watch this every now and then

W4LTER, Tuesday, 4 December 2007 23:16 (sixteen years ago) link

Ya gotta love the man.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 00:57 (sixteen years ago) link

is Cinemafantastique still around?

latebloomer, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 08:51 (sixteen years ago) link

i met lynch once, really sweet guy, he was very patient with my drunken fanboy friend

gershy, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 08:54 (sixteen years ago) link

you always talk in the sec person about yrslf? ;-)

nathalie, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 10:36 (sixteen years ago) link

He came into my office at my last job. Evidently, he's "really into cows" at the moment.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 13:16 (sixteen years ago) link

still never seen this movie, because it is not part of the Friday the 13th series

J0hn D., Wednesday, 5 December 2007 15:37 (sixteen years ago) link

fair enough.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 16:14 (sixteen years ago) link

It will be when Freddy vs. Betty comes out

Hurting 2, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 16:21 (sixteen years ago) link

that youtube clip is great

Mark Clemente, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 16:23 (sixteen years ago) link

I guess all the girl-girl kissy scenes are completely removed from bowdlerized broadcast cuts?

I still can't look/think about that homeless Trent Reznor guy without a ton of anxiety.

Leee, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 17:09 (sixteen years ago) link

likewise. As one reviewer said, it gets in your head and STAYS THERE. Although now I'll never look at Trent Reznor the same way again.

Alex in NYC, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 21:08 (sixteen years ago) link

I had a DVD of the original TV pilot version - it was ok, didn't have the atmosphere of the movie at all. Maybe would have worked for Twin Peaks fans, though.

milo z, Wednesday, 5 December 2007 21:11 (sixteen years ago) link

this movie is way overrated, i was so disappointed when i finally saw it. "blue velvet" is light-years better.

J.D., Wednesday, 5 December 2007 21:24 (sixteen years ago) link

Inland Empire is a movie about the cursed production of a film. the modern film is a remake of another film that was attempted many years ago and left unfinished. the act of at of the modern production opens some sort of portal that connects the timelines.

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:21 (six years ago) link

i'm sure when he explained this to the financiers it was like that one scene in MD!

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:22 (six years ago) link

the act of at of the modern production opens some sort of portal that connects the timelines.

word barf, by me, zs

i just meant that when they go about filming the remake it awakens the curse and the timelines connect

i don't actually know that it's a curse, but the point is that bad things happened during the old filming, and now bad things are happening again

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:23 (six years ago) link

yeah I would think that's fairly straightforward...? there are of course a number of scenes that don't seem to connect but whatever

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link

i'll stop talking about IE on the MD thread but i think it's a really really rewarding movie to watch multiple times, especially within a few weeks of each other when you can remember the details and see things near the beginning of the movie the second time around that you would not have took notice of before. but since it's 3 hours long and incredibly scary and bleak for so many of those minutes, it's bound to be unseen. it's a bit challopsy but it's my favorite thing by DL

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:27 (six years ago) link

I don't think that op is at all chall. MD, IE, and Eraserhead all vie for first with me depending on my mood.

human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:47 (six years ago) link

(And The Grandmother.)

human/hutt hybrid (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:48 (six years ago) link

now THAT is challopsy, although the grandmother is definitely the best of his early work. :)

Karl Malone, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:51 (six years ago) link

i live about a five minute walk from the Mulholland Drive cottage apartments. no rotting corpses on the premises as far as i know.

http://www.seeing-stars.com/Images/ScenesFromMovies/MulhollandDrive4.jpg

nomar, Tuesday, 23 May 2017 16:53 (six years ago) link

just seeing that pic creeps me out

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Thursday, 1 June 2017 08:02 (six years ago) link

one month passes...

the sound design & mixing in MD is incredible... that distorted jet engine sound that comes in right when Betty and the oldies pop up out of focus and overexposed in front of the jitterbug dance...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MLMLvSqT6g

flappy bird, Saturday, 22 July 2017 06:36 (six years ago) link


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