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final shot = portentous => sequel on the way!

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:26 (twenty years ago) link

yeah and the sequel was La Notte, another film about bourgeois alienation, with a similarly resonant final shot!

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:30 (twenty years ago) link

alienation II: in the front row no one can hear you scream

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:32 (twenty years ago) link

see i wd respect ant much more if he named his movies on the police academy principle

mark s (mark s), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:32 (twenty years ago) link

La Notte was disappointing. I dunno, after seeing L'Avventura and L'Eclisse, to say nothing of Blowup, it just didn't stand up as well.

I've also had problems with Red Desert, though I'm told that it really needs multiple viewings to turn out. I don't know about that...I mean, it's been four months since I last saw it, and I was drinking some gin at a bar last night and thinking...I should see Red Desert again. It could comfort me, and I shouldn't have left it like I did - you see, it put me on the spot, and since then I've been just watching lots of other Italian New Wave directors, mostly one at a time, trying to prove to myself that I don't need Red Desert. Should I go back to it?

(I've definitely earned someone's undying hatred with this one.)

Girolamo Savonarola, Wednesday, 19 November 2003 21:39 (twenty years ago) link

I prefer Pasolini.

Mary (Mary), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 22:59 (twenty years ago) link

i loved la notte :(

jones (actual), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 23:13 (twenty years ago) link

why, Mary?

I love La Notte too! And Girolamo, Red Desert is far from my favorite of his, but I think it does reward repeated viewings. Anyway, I think he's my favorite director, and L'Eclisse probably my favorite film. Or at least I considered them as such at one point, i'm finding it hard to think in terms of favorites these days. I've seen everything he's done, including the early shorts, save for his 4 hour China documentary and Identification of a Woman (I actually own the latter on VHS but I'm waiting to see it on the big screen; someplace near me, screen the damn thing already!)

I want to scribble more thoughts but I've been kinda busy today ... hopefully tonight I can add some more.

Broheems (diamond), Wednesday, 19 November 2003 23:51 (twenty years ago) link

are pasolini and antonioni some binary that i'm unaware of? do they have opposed gangs?

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

(somehow i imagine pasolini's being tougher...)

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 12:46 (twenty years ago) link

look i know it was angsty and about how life is deeply sad, but am i the only one who thinks that red desert is the most dull and senseless examantion of why life sux.

anthony easton (anthony), Thursday, 20 November 2003 13:47 (twenty years ago) link

I've seen l'avventura a few times, and I like blow up, zabriskie point and la notte as well but I did not make it through one viewing of the red desert. There were great images throughout though. Last year I read architecture of vision: a collection of writings and interviews with Antonioni. I enjoyed reading it very much. I'd reccomend it even to those who don't like his films much. He comes off as a fascinating and intelligent artist with an admirable philosophy towards life. Has anyone seen the documentary that Antonioni made in China after Zabriskie Point? I've been trying to find a copy off it.

theodore fogelsanger, Thursday, 20 November 2003 15:59 (twenty years ago) link

haha my friend used to joke about how they added the extra "oni" to make him x-tra italian.

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

fellinioni

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:22 (twenty years ago) link

pasolioni

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

leonelioni

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:23 (twenty years ago) link

this thread has found its destiny

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

Marcello Mastroiannioni
Marcello Carlinoni

(apologies...)

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:24 (twenty years ago) link

silvioni berlusconioni

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:26 (twenty years ago) link

Girolamo Savonaroloni

@d@ml (nordicskilla), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:28 (twenty years ago) link

god my italian friends would be horrified

amateur!st (amateurist), Thursday, 20 November 2003 18:29 (twenty years ago) link

I'll have a savonaroloni on wheat, please. Hold the mayonnaise.

Girolamo Savonarola, Thursday, 20 November 2003 21:32 (twenty years ago) link

five months pass...
i saw "red desert" a few months ago but i'm too tired to comment. this is a place-holder then.

what do people think of "blow up"? who else has read j. hoberman's piece on its enormous success?

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:37 (nineteen years ago) link

don't know what piece you mean but it does turn up a lot in Hoberman's "The Dream Life"

ryan (ryan), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:41 (nineteen years ago) link

this piece

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 05:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i thought "blow-up" was fucking ridiculous even when i was an uber-pretentious 17-year-old film nut. i suspect i'd kind of like it now, just for the whole swingin' london thing, and the yardbirds.

J.D. (Justyn Dillingham), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 07:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I couldn't handle that piece at this time in the a.m., but it's a lovely film. Pretentious or not, the Russian model is hott.

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 07:36 (nineteen years ago) link

"russian model" ?

do you mean gillian hills or jane birkin????

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:02 (nineteen years ago) link

'vERSUSHKA' Maybe she isn't Russian, thinking about it.

Enrique (Enrique), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i've only seen it on video, and antonioni frames the girls in long shots, so i don't even know if gillian hills is hot, though i'll trust the judgement of certain perves i went to college with and say "yes."

amateur!st (amateurist), Tuesday, 18 May 2004 08:13 (nineteen years ago) link

three months pass...
i am being sent a copy of the passenger! yay!

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Friday, 10 September 2004 04:01 (nineteen years ago) link

i haven't seen that movie since i was 16

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 September 2004 04:04 (nineteen years ago) link

it wasn't really the perfect movie for me at that age

s1ocki (slutsky), Friday, 10 September 2004 04:04 (nineteen years ago) link

antonioniaroni.

Dan I. (Dan I.), Friday, 10 September 2004 07:15 (nineteen years ago) link

whoah what the fuck! is 'teh passenger' getting a release? they pulled it from a festival here bcz of rights a year back: said the distributor wanted to re-release it. can it be true?

Dead Man, Friday, 10 September 2004 10:38 (nineteen years ago) link

antonioniaroni.
-- Dan I. (w1nt3rmut...), September 10th, 2004.


we've dealt with this, upthread.

no it's not getting a release. someone copied me the japanese dvd.

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 16:04 (nineteen years ago) link

does it have english subs?

todd swiss (eliti), Friday, 10 September 2004 16:30 (nineteen years ago) link

the film is mostly in english

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 16:46 (nineteen years ago) link

ah, i see

i will have to look into this.

todd swiss (eliti), Friday, 10 September 2004 16:48 (nineteen years ago) link

i wish i could copy it for you, todd, but i don't have a dvd burner. :-(

amateur!!st, Friday, 10 September 2004 17:23 (nineteen years ago) link

antonytonitoné.

:P

Dan I., Friday, 10 September 2004 20:56 (nineteen years ago) link

"If I Had No Loot (And I Don't, Because I'm an Obscure Foreign Filmmaker)"

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 10 September 2004 20:57 (nineteen years ago) link

antonytonitoné

This wins!

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 05:02 (nineteen years ago) link

north by northwest = the passenger

For sure. Also Rossellini's General Della Rovere. Um, and Along Came Jones, I suppose.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 05:07 (nineteen years ago) link

how do you mean frank?

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 05:26 (nineteen years ago) link

Um, SPOILER SPOILER DON'T READ THIS POST, but they're all (not counting the Gary Cooper flick) about a desperately uncertain, unjelled character being pulled together through mistaken identity, though the new self remains more (Antonioni) or less (Hitchcock) contingent.

Frank Kogan (Frank Kogan), Sunday, 12 September 2004 05:53 (nineteen years ago) link

it's now been four or five months since i caught red desert on french tv at 2 AM, but strangely i think i remember enough of it to comment. i'll try to post some comments this week.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 06:07 (nineteen years ago) link

Red Desert is great. Aesthetically, anyway, it's untouchable. I'm always a bit concerned that the Vitti character is presented too weak, though; WAY weaker than the strong-willed females she had portrayed in the previous three films in the quartology. But I guess that was sort of the point. All these lecherous males preying upon her and whatnot. So actually probably quite sympathetic.

I'm just in love with the SOUND and COLOR of the film. All those clanging and wheezing oil rigs and freighters, that industrial machinery interrupting everybody's conversations at every turn. That big belch of steam that erupts at the beginning of the film, when the two men are trying to have a conversation. The juxtaposition of the idyllic story of the tropical island that the Vitti character tells her son at the end of the movie, with the ugly gaseous drilling fields she leads him past. The grey colors of the cityscape (physically painted to look that way - no filters here). The fog.

Reed Moore (diamond), Sunday, 12 September 2004 06:17 (nineteen years ago) link

the scene i recall best/was most impressed by was the weird abortive orgy in the cabin by the sea.

amateur!!!st (amateurist), Sunday, 12 September 2004 06:25 (nineteen years ago) link

Can't think of any movies with the color palette of Red Desert. it's really startling, particularly that first shot of flames shooting out of the factory

flappy bird, Friday, 4 January 2019 03:45 (five years ago) link

re: Red Desert and Safe: it feels like there is something very deep about the spiritual malaise of the Monica Vitti and Julianne Moore characters in the two films

Dan S, Friday, 4 January 2019 04:06 (five years ago) link

in my young adult life among my friends Blow Up was considered THE Antonioni film. I'm interested to see it and Zabriskie Point again. I loved both of them at the time

Dan S, Friday, 4 January 2019 04:37 (five years ago) link

watching Blow Up again, I'm not sure I understand exactly what it’s about. I feel like I'm not giving enough of myself to it to really appreciate it

Dan S, Thursday, 17 January 2019 02:34 (five years ago) link

the mystery seems incidental, I read somewhere it's a film about someone waking up from a numbing life and living fully for a moment, that makes sense to me

Dan S, Thursday, 17 January 2019 02:44 (five years ago) link

liked the Ebert review of Zabriskie Point:

!https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/zabriskie-point-1970

"Michelangelo Antonioni is a fitfully brilliant director whose best, and basic, insight is that the fashionable cultivation of boredom can break down our ability to feel and love. In the 1950s, it seemed to him, people became so shy of spontaneity that they lost the knack. His characters were so alienated and spiritually exhausted they could hardly even get through breakfast together.

We loved it. "Eclipse" (1962) had us leaving the theater feeling deliciously betrayed and alone. "Blow-Up" (1966) was even better. It was set in swinging London and left us feeling betrayed, alone, and with-it. In between, Antonioni gave us "The Red Desert" (1964), possibly the most passive and empty serious movie of the decade."

Dan S, Thursday, 17 January 2019 04:26 (five years ago) link

"possibly the most passive and empty serious movie of the decade" also one of the best

Dan S, Thursday, 17 January 2019 04:29 (five years ago) link

saw The Passenger again. I had forgotten how amazing the ending was in the way it resolved the story, shot first through the bars of a window in a room at the Gloria Hotel looking outside, then moving through the bars to the courtyard, then looking back again through the bars into the room

Dan S, Thursday, 31 January 2019 02:34 (five years ago) link

eleven months pass...

What helluva film L'Avventura remains. My seventh or eighth viewing, this time with a superb Gene Youngblood commentary track.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 18 January 2020 19:35 (four years ago) link

three months pass...

Michelangelo Antonioni on the set of Zabriskie Point in 1968, photographed by Bruce Davidson. pic.twitter.com/0K7mW9TYTE

— 💜💜ค Ŧคภ๒๏ץ кภ๏ฬร ค ђคՇєг💜💜 (@NickPinkerton) April 23, 2020

flappy bird, Thursday, 23 April 2020 17:39 (four years ago) link

That's so you don't catch him smiling.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Thursday, 23 April 2020 17:40 (four years ago) link


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