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okay I can't believe I'm the first one to ask this, but jaq will you share your pumpkin pudding recipe? we usually do a persimmon pudding around this time but honestly pumpkin sounds better.

teeny (teeny), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 13:11 (seventeen years ago) link

It does sound very tasty.

GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 13:51 (seventeen years ago) link

Sure! But, I'm on a jobsite until tomorrow, and then we are moving, and then I'm back on the jobsite until 11/2 :(

I might be able to do it from memory though...

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 10 October 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay. I started making this because I love the filling of pumpkin pie but was not a crust person. I started out by using a standard pumpkin pie recipe (for 2 pies), mixing in 1/2 cup of flour, filling a greased and floured bundt pan with the mixture, and steaming it in a bain marie at 315 - 325 deg F for 4-5 hours. The top of the mixture gets that caramelized look toward the end. Removed from the oven and thoroughly cooled, I would unmold onto a cake plate and fill the center with whipped heavy cream sweetened with maple syrup.

From memory, the standard pie recipe has 1 big can of pumpkin (28 oz maybe?), 4 well-beaten (foamy) large eggs, 1 can sweetened condensed milk, tsp. cinnamon, 1/2 tsp ginger, 1/2 tsp mace, 1/2 tsp allspice. Mix together well, then stir in 1/2 cup flour, sifted.

A few years ago, Cooks Illustrated did some research on pumpkin pie, in which they dewatered the pumpkin on a thick layer of white paper towels spread on a baking sheet. Pumpkin has this great property of not sticking to the paper. I put down 5 or 6 layers of towels and spoon/smear the canned pumpkin over them. Lay a couple more thicknesses of towel on top and press. Change the top layer of towels several times. It doesn't have to be bone dry, but you want to take out a good quantity of moisture. When you're done sopping up the top layer, carefully lift one end of the bottom layer of toweling and flip that half of the pumpkin over on top of the other half, to make it easier to get into the bowl. When I make it this year, we'll do a photo session of the process :)

After nearly setting the cabinets on fire three years ago because my giant stainless bowl/bundt pan combo didn't actually fit in the oven, I switched to making the same amount of pudding divided into 2 4 cup ceramic ramekins and using my big oval roasting pan for the bain marie. The water needs to come all the way to the top of the mix in the mold, and I add more at the 1/2 way point of baking. I also start the baking/steaming with hot water in the bain marie, to speed things up a little bit. The 2 ramekins cook in 3 - 4 hours at 315 - 325 deg F. I don't bother greasing/flouring because I don't unmold it, just scoop it out instead.

Over the years I've tried straight baking vs. steaming - the results were not good. Higher heat/shorter time is also bad. Eating it hot is bad - the texture is all wrong until it has cooled. Warm is good, cold is better. It's not terribly sweet and it's delicious for breakfast.

Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 21 October 2006 22:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow, it was only 2 years ago we had that idiot-designed kitchen. Time dragged on the steppes.

Jaq (Jaq), Saturday, 21 October 2006 23:06 (seventeen years ago) link

When I make it this year, we'll do a photo session of the process :)

I am looking forward to this! This technique sounds very interesting.

GILLY'S BAGG'EAR VANCE OF COUPARI (Ex Leon), Monday, 23 October 2006 16:58 (seventeen years ago) link

It makes the end result very velvety - I think it would do the same for pumpkin pie as well as making pumpkin bread more densely pumpkin-y.

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 23 October 2006 17:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Now I'm looking back and wondering exactly what I did the last two Thanksgivings.

Oh, wait, now I remember last year! Holy crap, that was weird. I haven't seen any of the people I ate Thanksgiving with again.

Anyway I will be making breads and pies. My apple cranberry pie will make its turn. And maybe I'll try out Jaq's pumpkin madness. (Unless you want to come down for our Sunday-before-Tgiving orphan's Tgiving party/house show?)

Casuistry (Chris P), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 02:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I almost wish we did thanksgiving as well as xmas - you guys get all these extra reasons to cook up groaning table-fulls of food!

Trayce (trayce), Tuesday, 24 October 2006 02:27 (seventeen years ago) link

three weeks pass...
OMG, what was I thinking ordering the XL turkey! It's 25 pounds and does not fit in my roasting pan! I'll be making up the pumpkin pudding tomorrow - time for a photo essay. That apple-cranberry pie sounds terrific, btw. Tell more about pumpkin challah?

Jaq (Jaq), Monday, 20 November 2006 20:38 (seventeen years ago) link

We don't have a T'giving timetable this year -- the big get together is at one of my nephews' in-laws house this year, and we're just not going to mess with it. Going to Tupelo to see "The Fountain" and let someone else do the cooking.

Joe Isuzu's Petals (Rock Hardy), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 03:27 (seventeen years ago) link

Everyone's coming over later this year - dinner at 6-ish instead of 1 or 2. Current internal debate raging: presbyterian rolls AND corn dodgers, or just the rolls? Also, something special for the vegetarians, but WHAT??

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 16:55 (seventeen years ago) link

it sounds like you'll be doing a lot of cooking already, so if you don't want to add another dish to the list then as a former veg i'd recommend a quorn roast turkey breast. otherwise i'd probably go for an indian dish, something that would complement autumnal flavors.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 17:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Lauren, I appreciate the suggestion and will seek the quorn! I now know better than to offer the overly cheezed lasagna, the gloppy mushroom risotto, the quiche, the stuffed acorn squash, because eggy cheesy starchiness, though appreciated, are not quite holiday enough. And not being a vegetarian myself, I'm never sure what meat alternative avenues to explore. I saw this stuff called field roast on the menu at the Elysian Brewery a few months ago that sounded interesting, but again, don't know enough about it.

Jaq (Jaq), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

cool. quorn is so easy (into the oven it goes), and more importantly it actually looks/tastes reasonably like poultry.

if you google for nut roast recipes, you'll probably turn up a bunch of stuff. they have a reputation (in the uk, anyway) for being the ultimate humorless (and tasteless) vegetarian dish, but that rep is pretty outdated and i'm quite fond of them.

lauren (laurenp), Tuesday, 21 November 2006 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Someone was just going on and on about how awesome quorn is the other day. I've never had it.

The pumpkin challah is just challah with pumpkin. Let's see...

One envelope instant yeast, 1/2 tsp cardamom, 1/2 tsp ginger, 2/3 c (90g) bread flour, 2/3 c (140g) hot water. 20 minutes until bubbling. Then add 1/3 c (70g) sugar, 1/4 c (55g) oil, 1 1/2 tsp (8g) salt, an egg, 1/2 c (115g) pumpkin. Then the remaining 3c+2tbsp (410g) bread flour. Knead, let rise, shape, let rise again. Makes two 1 lb loaves or 1 1.5 lb loaf and 3 rolls. Glaze with egg wash and add sesame seeds. Cook (rolls 25, 1 lb for 40, 1.5 lb for 45 minute) at 350/180C/mark 4.

Casuistry (Chris P), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 03:52 (seventeen years ago) link

I baked a very large number of yams last night - they will be peeled and smashed with a copious amount of butter. Tonight - pumpkin pudding preparation and steaming. Also, turkey brining. The beast is so huge, I have to brine it in the Coleman ice chest. Mr. Jaq ran out to the restaurant supply store yesterday to get an industrial sized roasting pan, as my normal 20 quart oval one wasn't going to cut it.

Jaq (Jaq), Wednesday, 22 November 2006 18:44 (seventeen years ago) link

okay, corrections to the pumpkin pudding recipe (bad idea to type it in all from memory...): either 2 cans of sweetened condensed milk or 2 cans of evaporated milk and 1.5 cups of sugar. I prefer sweetened condensed because it has a lovely caramel flavor already and it's less processed than straight evaporated milk. Add 1 tsp salt and double the amount of cinnamon and ginger (2 tsp cinnamon, 1 tsp ginger, 1/2 tsp nutmeg or mace, 1/2 tsp allspice or cloves).

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 23 November 2006 01:07 (seventeen years ago) link

is quorn not still made from proteins from battery hen eggs?

(sorry to piss on anyone's chips here, but when I was veggie I stopped eating it)

(yes yes, I once was veggie)

Porkpie (porkpie), Thursday, 23 November 2006 08:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I stopped eating it when I was a veggie for those reasons too.

(yes, yes, I was a veggie as well)

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 23 November 2006 09:37 (seventeen years ago) link

Hmmm - I thought it was made from fungus. Have to check the package labeling.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:05 (seventeen years ago) link

quorn is mainly a fungus-derived protein, but it also contains a small amount egg whites so it's possible they use battery hens.

lauren (laurenp), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Aha! Wiki has this:

Quorn's uptake in the vegetarian market was hampered by the use of battery eggs in its production process, a practice opposed on ethical grounds by many vegetarians. For this reason, the Vegetarian Society initially did not approve these products. Working with the Vegetarian Society, Marlow began phasing out battery eggs in 2000, and by 2004 all Quorn products sold in the UK were produced without battery eggs, earning the seal of approval of the UK branch of the Vegetarian Society.

Note all the UK qualifiers.

aldo_cowpat (aldo_cowpat), Thursday, 23 November 2006 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm going to a Thanksgiving bash tomorrow so I'm taking some mulling spice ice-cream. It's dead easy to make - you just put a bag of spices in with the cream at the beginning, then keep it in the mix until you're about to pour the custard into the machine. Yumski.

Mädchen (Madchen), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:23 (seventeen years ago) link

re: quorn - well, it doesn't say where the egg whites come from, but it's moot now anyway as the "vegetarian" children have declared they would like grilled salmon today please.

Jaq (Jaq), Thursday, 23 November 2006 17:36 (seventeen years ago) link

eleven months pass...

It's time to REVIVE!

My current T'day schedule: hope and pray I get to go home on Tuesday 11/20.

Jaq, Saturday, 10 November 2007 04:05 (sixteen years ago) link

research paper due monday 11/19. everything thanksgiving to occur after that.

tehresa, Saturday, 10 November 2007 06:15 (sixteen years ago) link

Yeah, I'm thinking t'day might get pushed back a bit later in the month this year.

Jaq, Saturday, 10 November 2007 15:33 (sixteen years ago) link

Although, Mr. Jaq is picking up the turkey today. I went for a small one this year, after the fiasco of the giant bird last year.

Jaq, Saturday, 10 November 2007 18:24 (sixteen years ago) link

1 pm - go to chinese restaraunt and order $50 of food
2 pm - get home and get down

jergïns, Saturday, 10 November 2007 23:58 (sixteen years ago) link

I didn't invite anybody this year because of this goddamn job and the high probability of it fucking up my life. But when I get home, those cranberries better WATCH OUT.

Jaq, Sunday, 11 November 2007 00:25 (sixteen years ago) link

our menu per my host: pumpkin fritters to start, then pumpkin and pea soup, lemon-honey glazed turkey and pumpkin cupcakes with vanilla cinnamon icing

i have changed the dessert to rosewater napoleon and added green beans. i think he chose too many pumpkin dishes.

tehresa, Sunday, 11 November 2007 01:47 (sixteen years ago) link

anyway, i don't know what his recipe is for the turkey, but the other stuff seems not too labor/time-intensive, right?

tehresa, Sunday, 11 November 2007 01:49 (sixteen years ago) link

Will the fritters be fried? (Can you bake them? I don't know the options.) That might be a bit labor intensive, if they can't be done much in advance. Pumpkin and pea soup sounds yummy, btw. But I think 2 pumpkin focused things are plenty in one meal. Also, green beans = yes please.

Jaq, Sunday, 11 November 2007 02:19 (sixteen years ago) link

Mr. Jaq advised he got "a nice" turkey - 9.8 lbs of standard bronze heritage goodness. Much more manageable than last year's 25 lb behemoth.

Jaq, Sunday, 11 November 2007 02:28 (sixteen years ago) link

10-11am - everybody starts showing up at the farmhouse hauling foil-covered casseroles, crock pots, and various other serving dishes full of dumplings, roasts, cakes, casseroles (indeed), macaroni & cheese, greens, and ambrosia

noon - bell rings. uncle jerry says grace at the head of a long line of people I am ostensibly related to one way or another

2pm - everyone more fatter, thinking about seconds, wondering why aunt sally has such a thing about no booze at thanksgiving, 'cause a beer would be sweet

El Tomboto, Sunday, 11 November 2007 02:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Mmmm, ambrosia.

The thing to try to get around the no-booze rule: rum balls, or a rum cake absolutely dripping with dark rum. Not the same as a beer, but not bad.

Jaq, Sunday, 11 November 2007 02:40 (sixteen years ago) link

This morning: Wake up extra early, run to store, get eggs and various other ingredients, run home, make molasses cookies and peanut dip for today's pre-Tgiving "orphan's Thanksgiving" style party. All of which I have done with like an hour to spare.

Casuistry, Sunday, 11 November 2007 18:16 (sixteen years ago) link

well, i bought the wine and rosewater tonight, but it looks like everything else shopping- and prep-wise is happening on wednesday! eee the thought of the lines is not appealing considering how insane they were today.

tehresa, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 01:25 (sixteen years ago) link

omg! Tonight, I found out I actually get to go home for a few days tomorrow. Will be going to visit my MIL for t'day apparently, which I'm sure is the right thing to do, but I would so much rather just sit in my own apartment with my feet up, thinking about what I COULD cook if only I had the energy. I'll have 4 days in Seattle to be thankful for, at least, before I am returned to this sunny hellhole for as long as it takes to finish this fucking project.

Jaq, Tuesday, 20 November 2007 05:42 (sixteen years ago) link

ten months pass...

Today I'm making pumpkin dinner rolls, cranberry sauce, maybe some mashed turnips and some similarly mashed potatoes. Some of which I'll have tonight and some of which I'll hopefully be sharing with someone tomorrow night.

Casuistry, Sunday, 12 October 2008 22:10 (fifteen years ago) link

But this is my 21st Thanksgiving as a vegetarian and I still haven't figured out a main dish that makes me happy.

Oh! And some brussels sprouts.

Casuistry, Sunday, 12 October 2008 22:11 (fifteen years ago) link

Happy Canadian T-day! Are you going to have a US one as well? I'm very interested in your pumpkin dinner rolls.

Jaq, Sunday, 12 October 2008 23:01 (fifteen years ago) link

I never did roast last year's turkey ;_;

I hope it is not too freezer-burnt for this year.

Jaq, Sunday, 12 October 2008 23:05 (fifteen years ago) link

I am planning to have a US one as well. We'll see how the pumpkin dinner rolls turn out, they are rising very slowly.

Casuistry, Monday, 13 October 2008 00:10 (fifteen years ago) link

What sorts of things have you tried as main dishes? I'm generally stymied by what makes a good holiday vegetarian main, and hate falling into the gigantic cheese-bomb casserole trap.

Jaq, Monday, 13 October 2008 00:17 (fifteen years ago) link

i am going to a vegetarian/vegan thanksgiving this year at my boyfriend's parents' house. my first ever thanksgiving!

Sarah Palin isn't dumb, she's post-modern (Rubyredd), Monday, 13 October 2008 00:34 (fifteen years ago) link

Does anyone know what that non-Tofurkey veg turkey recipe was? J0hn D had it on his site way back when, I forgot to bookmark and have completely forgotten the name.

en i see kay, Monday, 13 October 2008 00:41 (fifteen years ago) link

Was it quorn? They make a turkey roast.

Jaq, Monday, 13 October 2008 02:06 (fifteen years ago) link

I've tried tofurkey, pasta/lasagna, nut loafs, and so on. I was thinking some sort of squash-and-tofu-on-rice dish might work.

The pumpkin rolls were ok, but something was a little off on them. Stupid internet recipes. But one of the comments said she added rosemary, which might have balanced it a bit more. Also they might taste better in the morning.

Casuistry, Monday, 13 October 2008 04:00 (fifteen years ago) link

Good morning!

stuffing your suit pockets with cold, stale chicken tende (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 November 2023 13:43 (four months ago) link

Yams roasted yesterday. Chicken this year as the main protein. Sides of brussel sprouts, cranberries, yams, dinner rolls. Cheesecake for dessert.

Jaq, Thursday, 23 November 2023 15:32 (four months ago) link

Made cherry pie yesterday, today it’s gumbo* butter rolls w herb butter, lightly sautéed green beans then pie w ice cream for dessert. Cooking for 4.

* I’ve done this for about 15 years bc it’s easy to procure ingreds, I’d never make a dark roux on a normal day, and it’s the only thing my dad ever cooked and he passed away in May. It’ll maybe taste different today.

Piggy Lepton (La Lechera), Thursday, 23 November 2023 15:41 (four months ago) link

<3 sounds delicious

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 November 2023 16:35 (four months ago) link

cheesecake made last night
mr veg smoking turkey breast on bbq
i’ll make sides later: braised brussel sprouts w cream; roasted cauliflower w smoked paprika; and green beans w lemon & parsley
they’re all pretty easy-do

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 November 2023 16:39 (four months ago) link

we got a super fancy takeout meal, gonna start heating things up around 3 pm

Spiced Nuts
Marinated Olives
Onion Dip, Smoked Trout Roe & Housemade Chips
Brie & Quince Turnovers

Herb Roasted Turkey Breast & Confit Leg
turkey gravy & cranberry orange chutney

Mashed Potatoes

Wild Mushroom & Leek Stuffing
chanterelles & thyme

Green Beans
onion soubise & crispy shallots

Roasted Fall Vegetables
spicy maple & rosemary

Chicory Salad
beets, apple, hazelnut vinaigrette

Pumpkin Pie
chantilly cream

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 23 November 2023 18:06 (four months ago) link

just the two of us, for the first time I can remember

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 23 November 2023 18:07 (four months ago) link

wow that sounds amazing

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 November 2023 18:24 (four months ago) link

yours sounds great too! mmm smoked turkey

out-of-print LaserDisc edition (sleeve), Thursday, 23 November 2023 18:25 (four months ago) link

my faaaaaavorite

werewolves of laudanum (VegemiteGrrl), Thursday, 23 November 2023 19:24 (four months ago) link

The turkey went in the oven at 1pm; should be ready and resting at 4:30. At that point I start the potatoes (peeled and in water on the stove top) and put the fish (for my sister) in the oven. The asparagus is also ready for a quick steaming.

My guests are scheduled to arrive around 4pm; my mother's stuffing goes into the oven to warm up.

Officially everything is planned for 5pm, but my guests have not been fussy in the past. And a good thing; while I've done this before, so much of this has to be done at the last minute.

Infanta Terrible (j.lu), Thursday, 23 November 2023 20:01 (four months ago) link


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