DEM not gonna CON dis NATION: Rolling UK politics in the short-lived post-Murdoch era

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'Queen Elizabeth Land'

Build a few roller-coasters and the tourists will be queueing up round the block (of ice).

Black Rod, Jane, and Freddy (snoball), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 14:01 (eleven years ago) link

The 90-day consultation period before large-scale redundancies can take place is to be cut to 45 days, under government plans.

Employment Relations Minister Jo Swinson said the move was aimed at helping workers and businesses.

Suggest Banlieue (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 18:56 (eleven years ago) link

workers primarily tho

Suggest Banlieue (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Tuesday, 18 December 2012 18:57 (eleven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/tEvwV.jpg

Suggest Banlieue (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 00:18 (eleven years ago) link

Employment Relations Minister Jo Swinson said the move was aimed at helping workers and businesses.

Well done Jo, vote Lib Dem eh?

Tom D is secretly an important person (Tom D.), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 12:13 (eleven years ago) link

My knee jerk response is there must be something bad about it cos tories, but as someone who's been made redundant twice I'm not sure why this is bad? I hated the long consultation periods, fuck 90 days of uncertainty looming over you, just get it fucking over with, give me my redundancy pay and I'll be off to something else.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 12:15 (eleven years ago) link

I'd go with your knees on this one

Tom D is secretly an important person (Tom D.), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 12:18 (eleven years ago) link

With your knees or on your knees, it's a' one to yer Tories

Tom D is secretly an important person (Tom D.), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 12:19 (eleven years ago) link

90 days > 45 days because a) more money from the company, b) more time to find something else, c) gives enough time for unions to negotiate.

That last one is important. Strike rules require 7 days' notice of ballot, 14 days for voting, then 7 days' notice of strike. With 45 days of total consultation time that doesn't leave a lot of room to try and find a negotiated settlement. Unions would have to try and go from 0 to strike ballot as soon as redundancies are announced, and not many places are that militant.

stet, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 12:54 (eleven years ago) link

I guess a) is somewhat understandable, but I don't get b). I read that as a complaint somewhere else. Is it normal to start looking for a new job when you might be laid off in 90 days? Seems like any prospective employers wouldn't look on that very favourably.

Didn't think of c) cos not like there's any union I could join so negotiation's never been an option.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 12:58 (eleven years ago) link

Prospective employers don't need to know that you're looking because you're being made redundant. Concern about the viability of your current employer is a reasonable reason to want to leave a company, anyway.

Also, the guideline for finding a new gig is 30 days searching for every 10k salary you want to earn, so 45 days isn't enough time to find a job > 15k (yes, that's what redundancy pay is for, but it's easiest to find work if you're currently employed).

stet, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 13:09 (eleven years ago) link

Seems like every job I went for wanted someone to start ASAP and wouldn't wait 90 days but ymmv.

Anyway, your point c) covers why the tories are in favour of this. Anything to get one over on the unions.

Just noise and screaming and no musical value at all. (Colonel Poo), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 13:13 (eleven years ago) link

the guideline for finding a new gig is 30 days searching for every 10k salary you want to earn

what the shit

ledge, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 14:00 (eleven years ago) link

That's the average, apparently. Seems about right in my limited experience.

stet, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:32 (eleven years ago) link

Actually it was misleading when I said "searching" - time included in interviews is included.

stet, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 18:33 (eleven years ago) link

I've never heard this before, but it clicks with my brother going for some megajob, and he's been being interviewed since September ferxsakes.

Fizzles, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 19:30 (eleven years ago) link

It sounds about what I'd expect, in this climate at least.

Alba, Wednesday, 19 December 2012 19:58 (eleven years ago) link

theo walcott is about to face fifty years wandering the desert

Suggest Banlieue (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Wednesday, 19 December 2012 20:08 (eleven years ago) link

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2012/dec/21/david-davies-gay-marriage-interview

oh my god

OH MY GOD

everything about this interview is a TREAT

lex pretend, Saturday, 22 December 2012 09:36 (eleven years ago) link

where do i even start c/ping

why is he so fixated on erasure

lex pretend, Saturday, 22 December 2012 09:36 (eleven years ago) link

Maybe all this is a long-game PUA 'negging' strategy so Davies can get a date with the bloke from Erasure.

I saw three shi*s come sailing in... (snoball), Saturday, 22 December 2012 09:45 (eleven years ago) link

Or more likely: homophobe can't explain why he's homophobic.

I saw three shi*s come sailing in... (snoball), Saturday, 22 December 2012 09:49 (eleven years ago) link

Now I've got Boy George's greatest hits, and I love it!

That's like the homophobe's equivalent of a racist claiming that they can't be racist because they own a copy of Whitney Houston's greatest hits.

I saw three shi*s come sailing in... (snoball), Saturday, 22 December 2012 09:51 (eleven years ago) link

That interview is 100% Peter Mannion. The interview works even better if you imagine Roger Allam saying that stuff.

Matt DC, Saturday, 22 December 2012 09:59 (eleven years ago) link

come on, Erasure were great

Captain Humberbantz (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 December 2012 11:50 (eleven years ago) link

no they weren't, they were terrible. that quote is absolutely amazing though.

jed_, Saturday, 22 December 2012 13:42 (eleven years ago) link

Erasure are completely still going you utter bastards.

glumdalclitch, Saturday, 22 December 2012 14:38 (eleven years ago) link

i was joking, jed is crazy talking

Captain Humberbantz (Noodle Vague), Saturday, 22 December 2012 14:43 (eleven years ago) link

erasure are awesome

You're gonna need a fruit kebab. Trust. (stevie), Saturday, 22 December 2012 15:31 (eleven years ago) link

"Gonna be a Tory Hero...
gonna wreck some. lives. to-day!
"

I saw three shi*s come sailing in... (snoball), Sunday, 23 December 2012 18:53 (eleven years ago) link

Graham Evans, from March last year.

I saw three shi*s come sailing in... (snoball), Sunday, 23 December 2012 18:55 (eleven years ago) link

Lord Heseltine, the former Conservative deputy prime minister, said Britain had constantly underestimated Europe's determination to make the EU and the euro work. "They read the British press, they read the speeches, they know what's being said and they don't detect in us a partner for the venture they have undertaken. And therefore they are faced with a dilemma. They want us there. But they want us there as partners with commitment. There is the fear that our initiatives are not to strengthen the venture but to act contrary to it."

Heseltine said he feared that Britain's semi-detached status allowed Germany to dominate the EU. "I just see the German chancellor becoming more and more the leader of Europe. And I'm not in the business of that happening at the expense of this country. I have no criticisms of the German position. They're doing what I would do in their position."

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Saturday, 29 December 2012 00:34 (eleven years ago) link

EU situation feels grim. mb i should emigrate

ogmor, Saturday, 29 December 2012 14:59 (eleven years ago) link

The dire economic consequences of the government's austerity programme are now being suffered by millions of families.

As leaders of some of the largest cities in England, we recently wrote to Eric Pickles to warn him that the cuts in local government services have now gone too far. Rising crime, increasing community tension and more problems on our streets will contribute to the break up of civil society if we do not turn back.

The One Nation Tory brand of Conservatism recognised the duty of government to help the country's most deprived in the belief that economic and social responsibility benefited us all. What we have today is a brand of Conservatism that has no social conscience, taking us back to a Dickensian view of the world. The unfairness of the government's cuts is in danger of creating a deeply divided nation.

We urge them to stop what they are doing now and listen to our warnings before the forces of social unrest start to smoulder.

Nick Forbes

Leader, Newcastle City Council

Julie Dore

Leader, Sheffield City Council

Joe Anderson

Mayor of Liverpool

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Saturday, 29 December 2012 23:43 (eleven years ago) link

just released.

erics official response :

http://cdn.labourlist.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/eric_pickles1.jpg

mark e, Sunday, 30 December 2012 11:52 (eleven years ago) link

Idk if that is necessarily a terrible idea or an OK idea presented in a silly way. There is a strong case for saying that all universities should be compelled to do everything that they can do widen access but that would also apply, to a fair extent, to any working class ppl. Although, that said, the penalty being a potential refusal of the right to charge an extra three grand a year tells you where the real priorities are.

Tullamorte Tullamore (ShariVari), Wednesday, 2 January 2013 22:35 (eleven years ago) link

Mail helpfully illustrates the story:

http://i.imgur.com/6ftBJ.jpg

Tullamorte Tullamore (ShariVari), Thursday, 3 January 2013 08:04 (eleven years ago) link

His hand is see-through. Just a friendly drunken ghost!

sktsh, Thursday, 3 January 2013 16:02 (eleven years ago) link

shit yeah that's totally Back To The Future

I had such a fontasy (stevie), Friday, 4 January 2013 08:02 (eleven years ago) link

You would have thought the Sun would keep well away after the Belgrano Gotcha! incident, but no:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20907312

Neil S, Friday, 4 January 2013 10:05 (eleven years ago) link

John Redwood, the Conservative MP for Wokingham in Surrey, which has three betting shops, said he had been "surprised" by the spread of bookmakers in poorer areas.

"I put it down to the fact that poor people believe there's one shot to get rich. They put getting rich down to luck and think they can take a gamble.

"They also have time on their hands. My voters are too busy working hard to make a reasonable income."

things that are jokes pretty much (Nilmar Honorato da Silva), Friday, 4 January 2013 21:24 (eleven years ago) link

cunt ffs really oh god this fucking guy

kraudive, Friday, 4 January 2013 22:33 (eleven years ago) link

beyond parody ..

mark e, Friday, 4 January 2013 22:39 (eleven years ago) link

He always has been.

earth of (snoball), Friday, 4 January 2013 22:41 (eleven years ago) link

on the other hand maybe the proliferation of payday loan sharks and pawnbrokers in poorer areas is cos working class entrepreneurs are seeking venture capital

soma dude (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 January 2013 22:46 (eleven years ago) link

think about it you Vulcan cunt

soma dude (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 January 2013 22:46 (eleven years ago) link

THINK? Are you MAD?

karl lagerlout (suzy), Friday, 4 January 2013 22:54 (eleven years ago) link

the worst of it is, of course, that we could live in a world where these pantomime villains wandered the margins, churning out misanthropy in exchange for the publicity they crave. that a Redwood exists is an amusing footnote in history. but every Redwood is speaking to/for a whole sorry spiteful antihuman constituency, that can't be reasoned with, that can't be persuaded, that will always do nothing but hate and exploit and sleep dreamlessly.

soma dude (Noodle Vague), Friday, 4 January 2013 23:01 (eleven years ago) link


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