cheap and colorless teleportal makes it a very high pick in limited, I'd think
― iatee, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 20:55 (eleven years ago) link
I can see Stompy or Gruul decks packing a few of these. I like how the narrow hosers like "counter target X spell" or "cannot be blocked by tokens" are being printed on already playable cards.
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
Looks like Bant Auras isn't going to have a very long run
― Moodles, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 20:58 (eleven years ago) link
ha
― once & future (Lamp), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 21:11 (eleven years ago) link
i wondered if hexproof + cipher was too broken in testing - that whole card feels like some p inelegant dam-building on wizards part
the only cards that ive liked so far are boros charm and the medic so maybe i'll try building a boros deck? wouldn't mind playing a very fast aggro deck with some resiliency
― once & future (Lamp), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 21:15 (eleven years ago) link
certainly Invisible Stalker + hexproof was a problem. actually I would imagine the presence of Invisible Stalker encouraged them to "play it safe" with a lot of cipher cards (like making the mini-Pox 6 mana instead of 5)
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 21:17 (eleven years ago) link
i want to attempt to play that card still even at 6 mana. is probably not good though if everyone's gonna be jamming aggro with boros charms.
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 21:21 (eleven years ago) link
also i'm a bit bummed at gruul charm being more of a sideboard card and not an all-star like some of the others, its really only good if the hurricane mode is relevant, and the best flier in standard has 4 toughness. forsythe said that it was balanced in relation to the other gruul cards rather than the other charms so hopefully that means there's some more pushed RG stuff we haven't seen yet.
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 21:29 (eleven years ago) link
it does seem pretty sick in limited though
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 21:37 (eleven years ago) link
i wondered if part of the reason gruul charm isnt that good is modern? it feels so much more narrow than anything except well, rakdos charm
― once & future (Lamp), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 21:42 (eleven years ago) link
the fact that this doesn't kill Restoration Angel is pretty obnoxious - really wish they'd printed it as a 3/3
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 21:45 (eleven years ago) link
rakdos charm seems less narrow though, i'm actually maindecking 2 copies in my burn deck in modern and there's almost no decks that it's completely dead against since all 3 modes are different relevant sideboard effects. gruul charm's first 2 modes are a lot less relevant i think.
― ciderpress, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 21:46 (eleven years ago) link
no its definitely better than gruul charm but its probably the next worst charm in standard. well maybe izzet charm is worse.
― once & future (Lamp), Tuesday, 15 January 2013 21:51 (eleven years ago) link
I thought people played Izzet Charm in standard? It seemed solid to me, unless it just doesn't kill anything these days...
― frogbs, Tuesday, 15 January 2013 22:08 (eleven years ago) link
my p1p1 and p1p2 were both steam vents on what will be my last rtr draft. I kinda forced izzet cuz hey 2 steam vents and had a neat deck that always lasted like 20 turns but ultimately sucked cause winning requires a win condition. also pulled a vraska so w/e.
― iatee, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 04:27 (eleven years ago) link
theres still two weeks of rtr drafting
― once & future (Lamp), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 04:31 (eleven years ago) link
oh yeah the prerelease is pre, release, I forgot
I might do one more then
― iatee, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 04:33 (eleven years ago) link
but I'm kinda over it
― iatee, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 04:34 (eleven years ago) link
i think ooze flux will be very good in limited simic decks! like, force simic p1p1. if you have 2 evolve creatures out, it is pretty much unlimited bears for 2 mana. i'm ok with that. looking forward to getting passed it all the time
― fennel cartwright, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 07:34 (eleven years ago) link
http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/products/gtc/is276nnn03_en.jpg
dope card imo
― iatee, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 14:22 (eleven years ago) link
that is very cool
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 14:24 (eleven years ago) link
the one thing we haven't seen yet is a cheap Krenko's Command/Raise the Alarm style token generator for Boros. I know they generally try to ramp up the synergy for a bunch of Limited strategies but I wonder if a cheap token producer would make Batallion a little too good...
― frogbs, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
there'll probably be a card that makes 2 of those 1/1 haste tokens that the guildmage makes
we've only seen like 10 commons out of 100 so far so its useless to fret about some important thing missing for limited
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 19:23 (eleven years ago) link
well if Batallion on cheap creatures is too good they probably won't. I don't really care one way or the other I just like to make guesses. same way I wonder how many 0/6 walls there will be (to trigger Evolve), guys with evasion for Cipher, etc
― frogbs, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
q:
do you guys follow any good general mtg blogs / twitter accounts
― iatee, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 19:44 (eleven years ago) link
pretty much all the pro players and top MTGO players are on twitter but none of them are singularly interesting off the top of my head.
most MTG articles are about constructed decks or are boring tournament recaps; the few limited articles that exist are mostly unhelpful, with a couple exceptions which are behind the paywall on starcity, plus the Ars Arcanum guy who i've linked in here before and only writes when a new set is out.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:02 (eleven years ago) link
that sucks
my friend told me about the limited resources podcast, I kinda like it
― iatee, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:03 (eleven years ago) link
have you all chosen guilds for prerelease yet?
I'm probably going Gruul and Orzhov.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
the best twitter follow is probably @mtgaaron who's the head of magic r&d and tends to be pretty forthright rather than hype-y marketing-y like some of the other WotC people
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:07 (eleven years ago) link
Gruul is my fav guild so i'll definitely be running that at the midnight prerelease, not sure if i'll do 2 prereleases this time since that was a lot of magic for one weekend when i did it at the RTR one
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:10 (eleven years ago) link
You can get any and all questions about MTG design answered at http://markrosewater.tumblr.com
― Moodles, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
ciderpress can you start a blog where you post long articles about limited and then I will read it
that arcanum guy's stats post seems pretty otm in retrospect
― iatee, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:11 (eleven years ago) link
Luckily the store I'm going to is holding their prereleases in the early evening on Saturday and Sunday. I can't manage the midnight events.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:13 (eleven years ago) link
oh yeah limited resources is pretty solid, i don't like podcasts in general though so i rarely listen to it.
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:18 (eleven years ago) link
i used to think limited resources was good but then i watched loucks stream and realized hes actually p terrible
― once & future (Lamp), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
Mark Rosewater's tumblr is a good read; even if you disagree with some of his philosophies, he's pretty clearly an expert in game design
― frogbs, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:19 (eleven years ago) link
haha yeah mark rosewater seems to have been constructing near religious beliefs about the game over the last decade
― iatee, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:21 (eleven years ago) link
i think Sam Black and Ari Lax are the most insightful current pro players but sadly their articles are behind the paywall on starcity
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:22 (eleven years ago) link
Rosewater's also very prompt about answering questions. I sent one in and he answered later the same day.
― Moodles, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:23 (eleven years ago) link
i like the gamestate guys - although they deal almost exclusively with constructed formats i think theyre generally really good at dissecting why certain things work and metagame stuff
agree that sam black is a good writer/thinker - his draft streams are p good too although he hasnt really been streaming much since rtr started
― once & future (Lamp), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
sam black's article on m13 limited changed the way i approach drafting in general and i've done much better ever since, lemme see if i can find it
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:26 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I def disagree w/ the things they say all the time but I still like it as entertainment
― iatee, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:27 (eleven years ago) link
ok here's the article, shouldnt be behind paywall anymorehttp://www.starcitygames.com/magic/generallimited/24692-Draft-The-Cards-You-Want-To-Play.html
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:28 (eleven years ago) link
weirdly, all the commas have vanished from old SCG articles when they migrated to the new site layout
― ciderpress, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:33 (eleven years ago) link
that's a great article!
― iatee, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:34 (eleven years ago) link
it feels like an inspirational speech, he should be giving it to a huge crowd of players who then break out in a standing ovation
― iatee, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link
lol!
that period where loucks, owen, sam and a few others were regularly drafting and streaming M13 and watching each others streams probably did more to help my limited game than anything else
― once & future (Lamp), Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:45 (eleven years ago) link
Yeah that one is incredible, I'd say it's a must read. I hate the articles that people like Conley Woods put out whenever a set is spoiled where he goes through each common and writes stuff like "2.5, I guess this is okay, kind of expensive but it blocks well", and then "welp, there's your pick order". It's been a while since draft has been so simple! I have a similar "weakness" with 5cc counterspells like Fall of the Gavel or Lost in the Mist. I realize they are bad but I love them as 23rd cards and I have won plenty of games with them. In RTR if I'm going well with Selesnya I'll start picking up stuff like Sundering Growth over Towering Indrik because the Growth is incredible against the guy with Stab Wounds and Deviant Glees.
― frogbs, Wednesday, 16 January 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link
pretty interesting stuff spoiled today, including a 4cc 4/4 flying Dark Confidant for both players, really like that and think it'll be a 4-of in something
― frogbs, Thursday, 17 January 2013 05:20 (eleven years ago) link
also a Ball Lightning with Lifelink
― frogbs, Thursday, 17 January 2013 05:22 (eleven years ago) link