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I'm not dismissing this yet! I'm living with it for a few more days.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 January 2013 13:06 (five years ago) Permalink

I agree with that general principle.

This album is not at all like "met girl",
other tunes on ray of light though sure -
maybe "nothing really matters", "sky fits heaven".

Tim F, Monday, 21 January 2013 13:06 (five years ago) Permalink

That was in response to lex

Tim F, Monday, 21 January 2013 13:06 (five years ago) Permalink

question: wikipedia's credits are wrong, yeah? b/c they list druski as sole writer, give dawn no credits and don't seem to list peter gabriel as a co-writer on 'in your eyes'

i saw an interview with dawn where she said 'in your eyes' isn't a cover b/c they'd get sued, and the lyrics are all different (and the verse melody too, I think) but isn't the chorus obviously enough lifted from the original that they'd need to give some credit? i'm confused.

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 21 January 2013 16:00 (five years ago) Permalink

which - when we're talking catchy/singleworthy/etc. 'in your eyes' just keeps growing on me. the house productino works so damn well and it's got just as much propulsion as anything on armor on

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Monday, 21 January 2013 16:01 (five years ago) Permalink

if we're talking catchy, I seem to be the only one who thinks "86" isn't hooky at all, could name at least 6 more immediate entry points

katherine, Monday, 21 January 2013 17:51 (five years ago) Permalink

("Riot" for the obvious "Faith" radio bait, "Northern Lights" for the banger, "Frequency" or "Tug of War" as slow jams (the latter is mostly a slow jam, just in disguise), "Pretty Wicked Things" just because, I'm sure some people might find "Gleaux" immediate though it took a while...)

katherine, Monday, 21 January 2013 17:55 (five years ago) Permalink

"PWT" was immediate for me as a standalone single, "86" was not (took ages to open up for me, and only really broke open in album context)

"riot" and "in your eyes" are the most obviously immediate but like "faith" there's a bit of...this straightforward house stuff isn't what dawn's about, even if they're superior takes on it (all that percussion going off like fireworks in "in your eyes"!). like, is the fact that i find them incredibly transportative and exultatory based on the album sequencing?

i'd choose "northern lights" as an entry point for people who want mind-blowing production, "frequency" for people who want something more sensual

lex pretend, Monday, 21 January 2013 17:58 (five years ago) Permalink

"Gleaux" basically rules, that synth kora + footwork intro is my favourite sound

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 18:19 (five years ago) Permalink

reminds me a bit of a Vespertine track

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 January 2013 18:20 (five years ago) Permalink

I'm not a fan of Vespertine but I can see what you're saying

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 18:21 (five years ago) Permalink

A lot of this genre experimentation reminds me of what Dirty Projectors tried-- successfully, according to many-- on Swing Lo Magellan. Different playbooks but the same sort of hilarious cross-genre splicing. I like that Dawn and Druski do it so effortlessly, though, it feels like a single universe despite its detours

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 18:25 (five years ago) Permalink

xps I've never been at all into Kate Bush or Tori Amos tho *shrug*

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2013 18:27 (five years ago) Permalink

Also, last thing, sorry, but I ~love~ the lack of hooks. The albums works so well as a single listen because all the melodies are simpler, less showstoppy. The only hooky track imo is "Ode to you" and it's the low point for me, feels cloying instead of eternal

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 18:28 (five years ago) Permalink

This producer is my favourite producer and I want hear everything he's ever done

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 18:29 (five years ago) Permalink

I don't know of anything he's done outside of Dawn!

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2013 18:32 (five years ago) Permalink

he won a Grammy, did he not?

flag posts in the dust (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 21 January 2013 18:33 (five years ago) Permalink

xps I've never been at all into Kate Bush or Tori Amos tho *shrug*

you shrug like we shouldn't be talking about them?

druski interview: http://www.carltonjordan.com/2012/11/07/breaking-dawn-part-ii-how-producer-druski-helped-reinvent-dawn-richard/

lex pretend, Monday, 21 January 2013 18:40 (five years ago) Permalink

personally I don't hear the tori comparison at all, the kate comparison I can maaaaaaaaaaaaaybe see with the caveat that it's only the sliver of her career when she was trying to be peter gabriel. (which I guess means it is really a peter gabriel comparison, which is obvious but I can see, say, some stuff on Melt being reference points)

katherine, Monday, 21 January 2013 18:51 (five years ago) Permalink

xp ok so he was nominated for a Grammy in the Best Gospel Album category

flag posts in the dust (Drugs A. Money), Monday, 21 January 2013 18:54 (five years ago) Permalink

you shrug like we shouldn't be talking about them?

― lex pretend, Monday, January 21, 2013 10:40 AM Bookmark

Did I say that?

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2013 18:55 (five years ago) Permalink

it was just quite a dismissive shrug.

personally I don't hear the tori comparison at all

circa to venus and back? like, not the exact same sounds, but the way in which she uses those sounds - really out-there, WTF production, really effective emotionally, but you can't seem to trace it back to anywhere. inscrutable, as rev said.

lex pretend, Monday, 21 January 2013 18:59 (five years ago) Permalink

You're reading way more into that shrug than was there.

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:12 (five years ago) Permalink

i didn't know you'd even checked out much by kate or tori

lex pretend, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:22 (five years ago) Permalink

Well, no, I haven't. The few songs I've heard by either haven't enticed me.

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:26 (five years ago) Permalink

I feel like I could possibly get into Kate Bush at some point given the right conditions tho. I don't understand the appeal of Tori at all.

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:27 (five years ago) Permalink

oh, that's what i thought. i guess i took umbrage b/c they both have such vast & diverse discographies that it seems a bit off to dismiss either on the basis of a couple of songs, but no problems

lex pretend, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:27 (five years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I wasn't really trying to dismiss either artist or their fans. It was just an "oh well".

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:29 (five years ago) Permalink

Hell, what KB album should I download right now?

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:30 (five years ago) Permalink

I don't hear Tori in this, but listen to anything off "Goldenheart" except the clubby tracks and then listen to "A Deeper Understanding", it's uncanny (and that's a good thing)

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:30 (five years ago) Permalink

Christ Rev listen to Hounds of Love and Sensual World right now

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:30 (five years ago) Permalink

I'm not a Kate Bush fan myself but those records are impressive

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:31 (five years ago) Permalink

I'd assumed the 'R&B Hounds of Love' thing was a vague parallel about overarching thematic content and/or dressing-up games rather than any musical similarities.

Matt DC, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:31 (five years ago) Permalink

OH fuck I typed "A deeper understanding" and I actually meant the PG/KB duet "Don't give up", I was distracted by something

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:32 (five years ago) Permalink

hounds of love and the dreaming

xp NOT THE SENSUAL WORLD NOOOOOO not even k8 fans love that one! apart from all-time classic "this woman's work" obv

lex pretend, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:32 (five years ago) Permalink

I'd assumed the 'R&B Hounds of Love' thing was a vague parallel about overarching thematic content and/or dressing-up games rather than any musical similarities.

yes

lex pretend, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:34 (five years ago) Permalink

NOT THE SENSUAL WORLD NOOOOOO not even k8 fans love that one! apart from all-time classic "this woman's work" obv

you mean The Red Shoes obviously (which I prefer to TSW). Lots if K. Bush fans adore TSW.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:35 (five years ago) Permalink

but also, i think rev would like aerial a lot (and maybe better: hardly any of the things that code as wacky)

lex pretend, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:38 (five years ago) Permalink

you mean The Red Shoes obviously (which I prefer to TSW)

agreed! nearly updated the red shoes thread to talk about it but

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:38 (five years ago) Permalink

Despite best-ever song "Sat in your lap", "The Dreaming" is an ugly record to listen to production-wise and has a lot of silly accents. I mean, I like it, but it's not really tangentially related to Dawn Richard xp

Lex OTM re Aerial that record storms

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:39 (five years ago) Permalink

ok going with Hounds of Love

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:40 (five years ago) Permalink

That is the correct choice.

Matt DC, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:41 (five years ago) Permalink

I must confess that aside from "Aerial" (which I always forget about but is my actual favourite KB album) I suspect "Goldenheart" matches and betters a lot of Kate's stuff

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:42 (five years ago) Permalink

anyone know what the sample is on "Northern Lights"? Those bleeps sound very familiar

Number None, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:45 (five years ago) Permalink

I must confess that aside from "Aerial" (which I always forget about but is my actual favourite KB album) I suspect "Goldenheart" matches and betters a lot of Kate's stuff

!!!!

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:48 (five years ago) Permalink

both artists include songs that drift and bob rather too much for my taste, but even if Kate Bush isn't in my pantheon -- I'm an admirer not a fan -- Dawn Richard's modest vocal and emotional range can't compete.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:50 (five years ago) Permalink

Dawn Richard's vocal range is pretty good actually (cf "Frequency") but even besides that I don't know why we are trying to say either is better because that is a) pointless and b) apples to oranges. Goldenheart is drawing from completely different reference points -- like, just to pick the most obvious, very little that Kate Bush has ever done has much conversation with R&B, at all.

katherine, Monday, 21 January 2013 20:19 (five years ago) Permalink

(if we're doing the comparison thing, then you really have three choices, two that work and one that doesn't: TSW for sonic similarity, which works but only because it's also half a Peter Gabriel album; The Red Shoes for pulling in other sounds, one of which was theoretically mainstream [even though the remake of "Rubberband Girl" makes it pretty clear what she was actually aiming for was blues/even country) -- which works, even though the sounds are different and Goldenheart is way more cohesive in every way, even if you cut out the obvious filler; then Hounds of Love / Aerial / etc for being concept albums, which doesn't work because you could say the same about literally any other concept album)

katherine, Monday, 21 January 2013 20:27 (five years ago) Permalink

yes exactly. I was going to write "It's like comparing Tom Petty to Merle Haggard"

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 January 2013 20:27 (five years ago) Permalink

Just because KB hasn't been influenced much by r&b doesn't mean r&b can't be influenced by KB tho.

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2013 20:29 (five years ago) Permalink


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