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hounds of love and the dreaming

xp NOT THE SENSUAL WORLD NOOOOOO not even k8 fans love that one! apart from all-time classic "this woman's work" obv

lex pretend, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:32 (six years ago) link

I'd assumed the 'R&B Hounds of Love' thing was a vague parallel about overarching thematic content and/or dressing-up games rather than any musical similarities.

yes

lex pretend, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:34 (six years ago) link

NOT THE SENSUAL WORLD NOOOOOO not even k8 fans love that one! apart from all-time classic "this woman's work" obv

you mean The Red Shoes obviously (which I prefer to TSW). Lots if K. Bush fans adore TSW.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:35 (six years ago) link

but also, i think rev would like aerial a lot (and maybe better: hardly any of the things that code as wacky)

lex pretend, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:38 (six years ago) link

you mean The Red Shoes obviously (which I prefer to TSW)

agreed! nearly updated the red shoes thread to talk about it but

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:38 (six years ago) link

Despite best-ever song "Sat in your lap", "The Dreaming" is an ugly record to listen to production-wise and has a lot of silly accents. I mean, I like it, but it's not really tangentially related to Dawn Richard xp

Lex OTM re Aerial that record storms

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:39 (six years ago) link

ok going with Hounds of Love

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:40 (six years ago) link

That is the correct choice.

Matt DC, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:41 (six years ago) link

I must confess that aside from "Aerial" (which I always forget about but is my actual favourite KB album) I suspect "Goldenheart" matches and betters a lot of Kate's stuff

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:42 (six years ago) link

anyone know what the sample is on "Northern Lights"? Those bleeps sound very familiar

Number None, Monday, 21 January 2013 19:45 (six years ago) link

I must confess that aside from "Aerial" (which I always forget about but is my actual favourite KB album) I suspect "Goldenheart" matches and betters a lot of Kate's stuff

!!!!

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:48 (six years ago) link

both artists include songs that drift and bob rather too much for my taste, but even if Kate Bush isn't in my pantheon -- I'm an admirer not a fan -- Dawn Richard's modest vocal and emotional range can't compete.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 January 2013 19:50 (six years ago) link

Dawn Richard's vocal range is pretty good actually (cf "Frequency") but even besides that I don't know why we are trying to say either is better because that is a) pointless and b) apples to oranges. Goldenheart is drawing from completely different reference points -- like, just to pick the most obvious, very little that Kate Bush has ever done has much conversation with R&B, at all.

katherine, Monday, 21 January 2013 20:19 (six years ago) link

(if we're doing the comparison thing, then you really have three choices, two that work and one that doesn't: TSW for sonic similarity, which works but only because it's also half a Peter Gabriel album; The Red Shoes for pulling in other sounds, one of which was theoretically mainstream [even though the remake of "Rubberband Girl" makes it pretty clear what she was actually aiming for was blues/even country) -- which works, even though the sounds are different and Goldenheart is way more cohesive in every way, even if you cut out the obvious filler; then Hounds of Love / Aerial / etc for being concept albums, which doesn't work because you could say the same about literally any other concept album)

katherine, Monday, 21 January 2013 20:27 (six years ago) link

yes exactly. I was going to write "It's like comparing Tom Petty to Merle Haggard"

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 January 2013 20:27 (six years ago) link

Just because KB hasn't been influenced much by r&b doesn't mean r&b can't be influenced by KB tho.

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2013 20:29 (six years ago) link

true, but when you're judging an R&B album on "does this equal this Kate Bush album the artist might not even be referencing" it's losing the plot a bit.

plus, and everyone knew this was coming, every single female artist who is doing something "arty" inevitably gets compared to Kate Bush on rather flimsy reasoning. not that this is how lex meant it, or that Dawn Richard *didn't* intend it (though I've yet to see her show up in Druski or Richard's lists of influences.) but, I mean, this is showing up in more and more Goldenheart reviews with either the text or subtext of "it's sorta R&B but really it's more like Kate Bush, you know, ~*innovative*~!" which, yeah. also has the "no more loverman cliches and bottle service grooves!" thing going on.

katherine, Monday, 21 January 2013 20:36 (six years ago) link

no one's mentioned Angela Winbush, also good at projecting longing over aqueous synthesized tracks and hard beats.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 21 January 2013 20:39 (six years ago) link

I tweeted Druski asking him about other stuff he's produced and he tweeted me back with some stuff

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7OO1ur8lPs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4lWMnynd9Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNyEBYKaUDQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-Fql5_NYg0

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2013 20:43 (six years ago) link

@ Rev that is exciting and I am gonna listen to them right now

Comparisons to KB began because this album sounds exactly in tone and production like The Sensual World
Which is totally crazy! because Dawn Richards and KB sing differently, write differently, have different schemes of producer-writer-performer hierarchies, and yet the similarities are so striking that it's Very Interesting

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 20:50 (six years ago) link

Three people I've played this for has exactly said "wow this sounds like Peter Gabriel" and specifically cited The Sensual World and "Don't give up"

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 20:51 (six years ago) link

So yes I guess Katherine this is one of those points of comparison that work

Just because KB hasn't been influenced much by r&b doesn't mean r&b can't be influenced by KB tho.

You haven't heard Kate's cover of Sexual Healing, then

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 20:54 (six years ago) link

it's been years since i actually listened to the sensual world but someone who checked it out based on my KB comparison said that the intros to "gleaux" and "heads we're dancing" are, like, nearly identical

haven't pulled out the latter to compare for myself yet

lex pretend, Monday, 21 January 2013 20:55 (six years ago) link

it was Katherine who asserted that, not me xp

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2013 20:56 (six years ago) link

I know I was joking
Her version of Sexual Healing is not exactly a masterstroke of genre synthesis

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 21 January 2013 20:58 (six years ago) link

pretty sure I've heard that cover, yes. and one stray cover falls under "very little" imo.

I can hear "Heads We're Dancing," sort of, but surely "Gleaux" owes as much if not more to the clapper trend?

katherine, Monday, 21 January 2013 21:01 (six years ago) link

while we're on comparisons, there is something very obvious that "Tug of War" is evoking and yet I can't think of the name at all, and it's been bugging me for the past three hours.

katherine, Monday, 21 January 2013 21:04 (six years ago) link

Bitches everybody knows the correct 80s art pop reference is Nona Hendryx's 'Skindiver'.

Tim F, Monday, 21 January 2013 21:20 (six years ago) link

!

The Reverend, Monday, 21 January 2013 21:21 (six years ago) link

Also this was sounding really ace to me on the way into work this morning. Except "Pretty Wicked Things" still and also "Warfaire" which I think isn't bad just kinda nothingy but in a way that I supect tends to infect my recall of the other tracks to suggest they were more nothingy than they are.

BUT how awesome were "Northern Lights", "Frequency", "Ode To You" and "86" sounding. "Ode To You" may be obvi but i'm an obvi kind of guy and Dawn can ride gated snares to kingdom come and back IMO.

Tim F, Monday, 21 January 2013 22:19 (six years ago) link

The second time the pre-chorus comes round on "Northern Lights"

Love is on our tongues, boy can’t you taste it?
Tonight up on the shines, don’t need to chase her
I want all your love, swear I’m all wasted
Smoke you right on up, let’s take a space trip

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

prolego, Monday, 21 January 2013 22:24 (six years ago) link

*"swear I won't waste it" rather

prolego, Monday, 21 January 2013 22:24 (six years ago) link

i was like "what does the opening percussion of "goliath" remind me of, nine inch nails?"

nope, "liquid diamonds"

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 01:34 (six years ago) link

haha yes!

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 02:01 (six years ago) link

Brad I had that same exact thought exactly exactly fuuuck

friday goodness thank it's (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 02:05 (six years ago) link

January 15, 2013
Genre Alternative R&B[1]
Length 63:42
Label Our Dawn
Producer Andrew "Druski" Scott, Deonte, The Fisticuffs

fiscal cliff paul (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 02:07 (six years ago) link

but surely "Gleaux" owes as much if not more to the clapper trend?

― katherine, Monday, January 21, 2013 4:01 PM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

dawn was kinda at the forefront of the clapper trend w/ 'me myself and y'!

乒乓, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 02:08 (six years ago) link

Yeah I was thinking that the other day when listening to #A Tell Tale Heart again.

Still such an underrated record. The rhythms on that tune and on "Broken Record" are so next level.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 03:05 (six years ago) link

Still getting to grips w/this; as well as various bits'n'pieces already mentioned, I'm getting vague flashes of Valerie Dore's post-The Mists of Avalon Arthurian concept album The Legend:
http://www.recordsale.de/cdpix/v/valerie_dore-the_legend.jpg

and maybe it's just the Tim Burton vibes or w/e, but Kelis' "Get Along With You". Need to dig out Skin Diver!

etc, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 07:50 (six years ago) link

ha, that druski interview lex linked says he produced for lil b

the legend of bigger yansh (some dude), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 17:39 (six years ago) link

"Ode To You" officially my jam now. It actually maddens me somewhat that Dawn evidently feels that tunes like that and "86" and "Frequency" aren't tarnished by sharing album space with lesser material like "Break of Dawn".

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:21 (six years ago) link

OTOH I will forgive everything if she repackages the album with bonus track "System of a Dawn".

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:22 (six years ago) link

haha "ode to you" and "break of dawn" are the only songs on this i don't consider essential

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:29 (six years ago) link

"Warfaire" and the title track also inessential. Given I still can't remember "Tug of War" in order to know how to characterise it I suppose that goes in there too. I'm not into PWT but I see how it is memorable etc.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:31 (six years ago) link

i adore "warfaire", its sudden switch from mournful piano ballad into avenging fist of justice is one of the best moments on the album. WARFAIRE / ALL GOOD / RIGHT HERE / WHATCHU WANNA DO

its sequencing is perfect as well.

love "tug of war", sex-as-power jam set in space. "baby loooooooove is waaaaaaar" is such a sweeping melody, so much empty space in it too.

as rtc noted upthread the title track is about the only way the album could actually close.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:35 (six years ago) link

Oh I get the idea behind all of dawn's military-relationship-complex epics, I just think they sometimes sound like they've only benefited from the precise amount of thought and effort required to allow them to be immortalised in lex all-cap lyrics posts.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:39 (six years ago) link

i am not one to defend long albums in general, but honestly when you've only had a record for a week i don't think it's possible to say if all 16 songs earn their keep or are memorable or not. just takes a little longer for it all to sink in as good or bad, in my experience.

big yansh theory (some dude), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:40 (six years ago) link

I'm with Al. I'm only lukewarm on Goldenheart—the songwriting sometimes seems thin, and at worst goofy, to me—but even the relatively short Armor On was loaded with growers, so I'm still hoping this will reveal itself to me. Well, maybe not hoping anymore, but at least not eliminating the possibility that it might.

Evan R, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:45 (six years ago) link

Also, for whatever reason, I always prefer the back half of Dawn Richard albums to the front half. It's a bit confounding, but it gives them longevity, I guess

Evan R, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:46 (six years ago) link

cosigning 'ode to you' adoration

casting a hex on 'pwt' criticism

r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:53 (six years ago) link


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