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"Ode To You" officially my jam now. It actually maddens me somewhat that Dawn evidently feels that tunes like that and "86" and "Frequency" aren't tarnished by sharing album space with lesser material like "Break of Dawn".

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:21 (six years ago) link

OTOH I will forgive everything if she repackages the album with bonus track "System of a Dawn".

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:22 (six years ago) link

haha "ode to you" and "break of dawn" are the only songs on this i don't consider essential

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:29 (six years ago) link

"Warfaire" and the title track also inessential. Given I still can't remember "Tug of War" in order to know how to characterise it I suppose that goes in there too. I'm not into PWT but I see how it is memorable etc.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:31 (six years ago) link

i adore "warfaire", its sudden switch from mournful piano ballad into avenging fist of justice is one of the best moments on the album. WARFAIRE / ALL GOOD / RIGHT HERE / WHATCHU WANNA DO

its sequencing is perfect as well.

love "tug of war", sex-as-power jam set in space. "baby loooooooove is waaaaaaar" is such a sweeping melody, so much empty space in it too.

as rtc noted upthread the title track is about the only way the album could actually close.

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:35 (six years ago) link

Oh I get the idea behind all of dawn's military-relationship-complex epics, I just think they sometimes sound like they've only benefited from the precise amount of thought and effort required to allow them to be immortalised in lex all-cap lyrics posts.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:39 (six years ago) link

i am not one to defend long albums in general, but honestly when you've only had a record for a week i don't think it's possible to say if all 16 songs earn their keep or are memorable or not. just takes a little longer for it all to sink in as good or bad, in my experience.

big yansh theory (some dude), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:40 (six years ago) link

I'm with Al. I'm only lukewarm on Goldenheart—the songwriting sometimes seems thin, and at worst goofy, to me—but even the relatively short Armor On was loaded with growers, so I'm still hoping this will reveal itself to me. Well, maybe not hoping anymore, but at least not eliminating the possibility that it might.

Evan R, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:45 (six years ago) link

Also, for whatever reason, I always prefer the back half of Dawn Richard albums to the front half. It's a bit confounding, but it gives them longevity, I guess

Evan R, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:46 (six years ago) link

cosigning 'ode to you' adoration

casting a hex on 'pwt' criticism

r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:53 (six years ago) link

"Pretty Wicked Things" is one where I'm hesitant to be sharper than to say "it doesn't work for me" because I don't even really know why it leaves me cold (and it's been around for long enough that this isn't some first week snap opinon thing).

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:58 (six years ago) link

YOU CAN BE MY BLACK KATE BUSH TONIGHT

jaymc, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 22:59 (six years ago) link

'warfaire' isnt so terrible on its own but it badly derails momentum and the sense of meandering that subsequently arises is dawn's great enemy

r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 23:01 (six years ago) link

yep

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 23:01 (six years ago) link

presumably the people who like the second half better credit "warfaire" for ushering it in?

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 23:02 (six years ago) link

warfaire' isnt so terrible on its own but it badly derails momentum and the sense of meandering that subsequently arises is dawn's great enemy

― r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 11:01 PM (2 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

yeah this exactly.

I don't think anything on the album is actively bad.

Tim F, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 23:04 (six years ago) link

i credit 'frequency' for that xp

r|t|c, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 23:04 (six years ago) link

It doesn't help that "Warfaire" might be the worst case of Linkin Park Lyrics Syndrome on the album

Evan R, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 23:21 (six years ago) link

a syndrome that exists to no one except you

lex pretend, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 23:23 (six years ago) link

Yeah, that's fair. But any song written exclusively in accusations and declarations of defiance sets off that alarm for me. It's such a black/white worldview: I am strong but you failed me; you let me down and you weren't there for me, etc, etc, etc. Any song that positions the songwriter as the hero and an unspecified "you" as a scourge just isn't that interesting to me. Real relationships are more complicated than that.

Evan R, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 23:50 (six years ago) link

hahaha i like "warfaire" y'all. one of the few hooks that immediately grabbed me.

album is finally opening up to me but it is a long sleepy thing

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Tuesday, 22 January 2013 23:53 (six years ago) link

xp srs question what did you think of "soldier of love"?

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:02 (six years ago) link

it's called "warfaire," how subtle precisely do you expect it to be

katherine, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:08 (six years ago) link

(fwiw I think it's one of the weaker tracks, but I also massively prefer the first half of the album, so what do I know)

katherine, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:08 (six years ago) link

"warfaire" and "goliath" were intended as interludes, too (see the original track listing)

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:10 (six years ago) link

yeah but i always basically thought of "Intro (Call To Hearts)" and "Outro (The Battle)" as full-on songs too

big yansh theory (some dude), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:13 (six years ago) link

It's such a black/white worldview: I am strong but you failed me; you let me down and you weren't there for me, etc, etc, etc. Any song that positions the songwriter as the hero and an unspecified "you" as a scourge just isn't that interesting to me. Real relationships are more complicated than that.

― Evan R, Tuesday, 22 January 2013 23:50 (Yesterday) Bookmark

you have much to learn young grasshopper

r|t|c, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:35 (six years ago) link

i can only repeat what i said about 'pwt' and 'goldenheart' being the key tho, their very acknowledgement of fantasy itself (in an implied thwarting world of reality) frames the entire album and imbues these seeming platitudes with huge self-critical pathos

r|t|c, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:38 (six years ago) link

and all the pretty little things that held
us together now are fallen tales
turned to wicked little things that can't
seem to find the beauty in the bad

all love's lies, and which is the cruellest but that of the redeemer and his/her and your enjoined destiny? the song realises not only a specific sorrow but a greater one where all life's hero narratives become known to be as inescapable as they are ultimately invidious

"passion is the mob of the man, that commits a riot upon his reason", the girl done quotes it herself

r|t|c, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 00:53 (six years ago) link

but what do love's lies have to say about meh vocal melodies?

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 23 January 2013 01:00 (six years ago) link

xp srs question what did you think of "soldier of love"?

I really liked it. I guess there's a similar lyrical motif there, but Sade doesn't finger-point in that song. Anyway, I think Dawn can sell that kind of imagery pretty well sometimes, too, but I feel like she really exhausts it on this one

Evan R, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 03:09 (six years ago) link

since when is finger-pointing a flaw?

lex pretend, Wednesday, 23 January 2013 07:49 (six years ago) link

Top 10 R&B albums on Billboard

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 24 January 2013 18:12 (six years ago) link

Does Goldenheart even exist in a physical format?

HAPPY BDAY TOOTS (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Thursday, 24 January 2013 18:13 (six years ago) link

it apparently does

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 January 2013 18:19 (six years ago) link

yes but only at FYE with two bonus tracks

and FYE doesn't exist in Canada.

:(

twinkin' and drinkin' and ready to fly (Alex in Montreal), Thursday, 24 January 2013 18:21 (six years ago) link

one of the bonus trax is "wild n young" which we all have already, the other is apparently a remix of "northern lights" called "nlx" - haven't heard it though, don't think it's emerged online yet

lex pretend, Thursday, 24 January 2013 18:23 (six years ago) link

she had just been talking about NLX hadnt she? in some interview...?

flag posts in the dust (Drugs A. Money), Thursday, 24 January 2013 19:02 (six years ago) link

xp
I got this on CD from Amazon (US)--fwiw, it sounds pretty fucking great on bigger speakers. I'm not sure what I would have thought if I'd listened to it on headphones first.

rob, Thursday, 24 January 2013 20:53 (six years ago) link

http://www.allmusic.com/album/goldenheart-mw0002449362

nice work kellz :)

lex pretend, Monday, 28 January 2013 12:00 (six years ago) link

seconded!

"Tug Of War" sounded great to me while doing the housework (housework is a good pairing for Dawn, I attacked the vacuum cleaning with an unusual amount of all or nothing vigour), it helped to think of it as part of a darkness-into-light trilogy with the next two tracks rather than the part two of "Warfaire".

Tim F, Monday, 28 January 2013 12:11 (six years ago) link

seriously like why is "warfaire" there? "tug of war" makes so much sense following straight from "frequency" - both sex jams that feel like dawn's fucking somewhere in the middle of space amongst the stars

I DON'T GIVE A FUCK NOW
I'M GONE BE ON TOP NOW

prolego, Monday, 28 January 2013 14:27 (six years ago) link

dunno if this happens to everyone else, but when "Riot" starts I think Ne-Yo and Pitbull's "Give Me Everything."

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 January 2013 14:31 (six years ago) link

congrats dayo, you're a "message board wag"

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/01/behold-dungeons-dragons-rb/272535/

emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Monday, 28 January 2013 18:39 (six years ago) link

this reminds me that I was going to offer cash to any of you pros who could get all of the following words into a review: strength, dexterity, constitution, intelligence, wisdom, charisma.

rob, Monday, 28 January 2013 18:43 (six years ago) link

lmao!! xp

乒乓, Monday, 28 January 2013 18:46 (six years ago) link

haha that is excellent

Bel-Air the Fresh Prince, sitting in a chair (DJP), Monday, 28 January 2013 18:49 (six years ago) link

lol probs to this editor on a completely disingenuous subhead

Diddy ex-affiliate Dawn Richard's fantastic full-length debut, Goldenheart, follows in the unheralded tradition of black musicians drawing emotional power from Tolkien tropes.

d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 January 2013 18:53 (six years ago) link

props*

d'eejban (J0rdan S.), Monday, 28 January 2013 18:53 (six years ago) link


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