The purpose built next generation interstellar Dawn Richard thread

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Previous post feels otm to me.

I think albums with such heavy-handed (which i think it is fairly undeniably - which is not to say that that is a weakness or failure or anything), super-personalised aesthetics (in an overall sense - the shimmery electro-dance r&b plus the glossy denatured vocals plus the sci-fi/fantasy/historical tropes - speaking of which I like to think "northern lights" is a phillip pullman ref and if it was that would support r|t|c's interpretative angle for this more than just about anything else possibly could) often have this sense of either being compelling or off-putting, but more than that, they switch from one to the other between listens, or you can feel both reactions simultaneously, like you can be really enjoying a tune and then suddenly it's like the sun disappears behind the clouds as you reframe what you're listening to in a less attractive interpretative light (or vice versa).

So I think on the one hand it's (too) easy for boosters to glibly dismiss criticisms with "you haven't listened to this enough" but on the other hand I think this is an album for which snap judgements are particularly ill-suited and likely to be unfair - because in accounting (word chosen deliberately) for that sense of discomfort and (literally) "mixed feelings" we will punish this album over something less impressive and interesting but more unambiguous in hitting the smaller targets it aims for.

Tim F, Monday, 28 January 2013 22:18 (seven years ago) link

see if you'd just said "this alb has its weaknesses but will always be miles ahead of some basic bitch album by [insert wholemeal artist]" we coulda had some hearty squabbling going, have u learned nothing from rolling goon

r|t|c, Monday, 28 January 2013 23:35 (seven years ago) link

Tim plainly didn't take the chorus of "Riot" to heart.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 28 January 2013 23:37 (seven years ago) link

"this alb has its weaknesses but will always be miles ahead of some basic bitch album by [insert wholemeal artist]"

this too

Tim F, Monday, 28 January 2013 23:44 (seven years ago) link

does anyone else kinda hear 'northern lights'/'frequency' as a heavily abstracted molly suite

r|t|c, Monday, 28 January 2013 23:53 (seven years ago) link

i'm gonna have to defend the basic bitch canon here

some dude, Monday, 28 January 2013 23:54 (seven years ago) link

yeah I don't really mean that in general but OTOH has there been a better basic bitch album in the past twelve months? There have been good ones but not better ones I think.

Tim F, Monday, 28 January 2013 23:55 (seven years ago) link

xxp well ok not that heavily i guess

r|t|c, Monday, 28 January 2013 23:56 (seven years ago) link

do you mean that's the part of the album where dawn and some dude are seriously high

Tim F, Monday, 28 January 2013 23:59 (seven years ago) link

"some dude" in the general rather than specific sense

Tim F, Monday, 28 January 2013 23:59 (seven years ago) link

nah we blazed

some dude, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 00:00 (seven years ago) link

lol

yeah that part of the album. i kind hesitate to say so actually cos once u have it in mind then listening to 'frequency' suddenly becomes fairly hilarious

r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 00:07 (seven years ago) link

yeah it does give the lyrics a certain... precision that was not present before

Tim F, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 00:08 (seven years ago) link

oh! btw sorry can i just do this, tim (and all) u have to hear this recent find

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-InRBr2rc_4

http://www.discogs.com/Angel-Moore-Ecstasy/release/3117035

some sort of local south florida radio minor hit from 94 apparently

r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 00:14 (seven years ago) link

Surprised that nobody here has made anything of the elements of the album that tend more towards deep house.

Sonically it plays as an updated version of what Gaelle was doing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTdKU2pNjh8

tsrobodo, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 02:35 (seven years ago) link

Surprised that nobody here has made anything of the elements of the album that tend more towards deep house.

cannot listen to youtubes at work (also on that note sorry rtc I will revert in due course) - pray tell what are the deep house elements on Goldenheart.

Tim F, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 02:36 (seven years ago) link

How on earth did you uncover that, rtc? Amazing.

Any sort of radio exposure happening w/any of this over in the US? Curious as to how tracks off this wld sit outside of the album, &c.

etc, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 02:38 (seven years ago) link

<3 that Gaelle album, never stopped listening to it.

Plasmon, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 02:39 (seven years ago) link

pray tell what are the deep house elements on Goldenheart.

Well it rings pretty clear to me on the first half of the album and crops up elsewhere (Though the dub elements may to an extent overshadow it on Pretty Wicked Things). In terms of tonality, mood and the steady insistence of the beats, there are pretty clear parallels.

The problem with vocal deep house is that the sample size is relatively small in terms of artistic output so there is a lot of room for mischaracterisation. But looking at Richard next to Gaelle, Lisa Shaw and Lysa Aya Trenier I do hear undeniable similarities.

Listening to the tracks would probably illustrate the point better than reading anything I have to say about it.

tsrobodo, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 03:15 (seven years ago) link

http://i48.tinypic.com/xptsed.gif

r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 09:32 (seven years ago) link

Perfect

Tim F, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:18 (seven years ago) link

holy fucking shit that angel moore song

lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:24 (seven years ago) link

also lol it's totally obvious how rtc found it

lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:24 (seven years ago) link

it doesn't seem to exist in mp3 form. maybe it never has!

lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:24 (seven years ago) link

also if tsrobodo's gonna introduce me to artists like gaelle let's hold off on the clowning gifs this once

lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:26 (seven years ago) link

never

r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:43 (seven years ago) link

also lol it's totally obvious how rtc found it

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:24 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

alas this deduction is incorrect as i already have a youtube of 'moments in love' permanently embedded in my soul

furthermore, http://www68.zippyshare.com/v/98805385/file.html

r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:52 (seven years ago) link

YASSSSSS, hq and everything

lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:54 (seven years ago) link

Okay woah @ Angel Moore.

Tim F, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 13:01 (seven years ago) link

Forgot about that Gaelle record!

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 14:48 (seven years ago) link

The snarky bitchcraft is kinda lost on me.

tsrobodo, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 19:17 (seven years ago) link

IMO that gif expresses something rather more complex and ambiguous than snarky bitchcraft

Basically, I want to believe that you might be onto something tsrobodo, but the idea that "in terms of tonality, mood and the steady insistence of the beats, there are pretty clear parallels" works only at such a level of remove that I think it becomes meaningless.

Even with the artists you mentioned the similarity strikes me as one born of the fact that vocal deep house takes its cues from R&B, and there is a lot of other R&B I'd choose before Dawn to characterise that relationship of proximity.

Tim F, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 21:58 (seven years ago) link

Tim you so are good at explaining things nicely, I would send my kids to your school

formed arses (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 22:42 (seven years ago) link

I'd be interested in learning more about the "clapper trend" that was mentioned upthread. I hear dry, plug-and-play claps and hats and think "this sounds like footwork" but could somebody elaborate?

formed arses (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 22:44 (seven years ago) link

gif selection is a fine art yo don't ever get it twisted

that said, "bitchcraft" is totes going on my cv

r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:11 (seven years ago) link

keep feeling like tsrobodo has a point about something, just not necessarily this album (yet)

praps if the q was like, what is it that makes zaki ibrahim sound like an eclectic house diva traveller but not ever really like an r&b singer despite notional similarity

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:45 (seven years ago) link

yeah zaki is def. a better fit for this idea

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 02:44 (seven years ago) link

Much of the rhetoric I've seen in the R&B and hip-hop threads here can be distilled down to "snarky bitchcraft" and while I haven't been around long enough to know if that's the norm, you guys do seem to love talking 'around' each other.

I'll concede that my characterisation was clumsy and lazy, but I wasn't implying that she took direct cues from deep house or even that they operate within the same frame of stylistic reference. I just feel that considering the extents to which popular motifs in dance, electronic and R&B music have shifted over the past decade, there is a notable sonic correlation between the two.

Curious as to what R&B you'd choose from the mid 00's that better characterises that parallel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwNx5kuxxV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZlC3vaOr6Y

tsrobodo, Thursday, 31 January 2013 05:01 (seven years ago) link

Curious as to what R&B you'd choose from the mid 00's that better characterises that parallel.

Why are the mid 00's particularly relevant here? (that's a non snarky bitchcraft q)

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 05:09 (seven years ago) link

Why are the mid 00's particularly relevant here?

Nothing inherently special about the 00's in regards to this but the artists I referenced all released albums between 04 and 05. We could draw parallels with artists working concurrently but where's the fun in that?

Just to clarify I'm not implying a linear evolution from one to the other but speaking more in terms of how they incorporate prevalent trends into their music.

tsrobodo, Thursday, 31 January 2013 05:32 (seven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/lH3Clvq.gif

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:36 (seven years ago) link

^^^ not getting mixed up in that

I got the physical v of this yesterday, am a little surprised at how...low-budget the art & layout are. no problem! I bought it this way since I'm willing to pay a $3 premium for the "artifact"; but I guess they're thinking this'll sell primarily digitally so why try very hard with the physical one. obv I don't really care because THE MUSIC MAN

Euler, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:02 (seven years ago) link

obv i like that gif

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:27 (seven years ago) link

u like the bitchcraft now but just wait til season 6

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:47 (seven years ago) link

I wasn't implying that she took direct cues from deep house or even that they operate within the same frame of stylistic reference. I just feel that considering the extents to which popular motifs in dance, electronic and R&B music have shifted over the past decade, there is a notable sonic correlation between the two.

how long do i have to stare at this before something happens

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:58 (seven years ago) link

so like, there's some dance elements... like house... and there's some moody vibes... like deep house...

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:59 (seven years ago) link

female vocals too

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:00 (seven years ago) link

to be really real in a boring way jill scott and angie stone have already got that deep house shit locked down, dawn missed a trick by not being around to get on some prog house extravaga biz back in 1994 or so.

Like you could see her and the drum club just ~vibing~

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:03 (seven years ago) link


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