yeah I don't really mean that in general but OTOH has there been a better basic bitch album in the past twelve months? There have been good ones but not better ones I think.
― Tim F, Monday, 28 January 2013 23:55 (eleven years ago) link
xxp well ok not that heavily i guess
― r|t|c, Monday, 28 January 2013 23:56 (eleven years ago) link
do you mean that's the part of the album where dawn and some dude are seriously high
― Tim F, Monday, 28 January 2013 23:59 (eleven years ago) link
"some dude" in the general rather than specific sense
nah we blazed
― some dude, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 00:00 (eleven years ago) link
lol
yeah that part of the album. i kind hesitate to say so actually cos once u have it in mind then listening to 'frequency' suddenly becomes fairly hilarious
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 00:07 (eleven years ago) link
yeah it does give the lyrics a certain... precision that was not present before
― Tim F, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 00:08 (eleven years ago) link
oh! btw sorry can i just do this, tim (and all) u have to hear this recent find
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-InRBr2rc_4
http://www.discogs.com/Angel-Moore-Ecstasy/release/3117035
some sort of local south florida radio minor hit from 94 apparently
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 00:14 (eleven years ago) link
Surprised that nobody here has made anything of the elements of the album that tend more towards deep house.
Sonically it plays as an updated version of what Gaelle was doing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTdKU2pNjh8
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 02:35 (eleven years ago) link
cannot listen to youtubes at work (also on that note sorry rtc I will revert in due course) - pray tell what are the deep house elements on Goldenheart.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 02:36 (eleven years ago) link
How on earth did you uncover that, rtc? Amazing.
Any sort of radio exposure happening w/any of this over in the US? Curious as to how tracks off this wld sit outside of the album, &c.
― etc, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 02:38 (eleven years ago) link
<3 that Gaelle album, never stopped listening to it.
― Plasmon, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 02:39 (eleven years ago) link
pray tell what are the deep house elements on Goldenheart.
Well it rings pretty clear to me on the first half of the album and crops up elsewhere (Though the dub elements may to an extent overshadow it on Pretty Wicked Things). In terms of tonality, mood and the steady insistence of the beats, there are pretty clear parallels.
The problem with vocal deep house is that the sample size is relatively small in terms of artistic output so there is a lot of room for mischaracterisation. But looking at Richard next to Gaelle, Lisa Shaw and Lysa Aya Trenier I do hear undeniable similarities.
Listening to the tracks would probably illustrate the point better than reading anything I have to say about it.
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 03:15 (eleven years ago) link
http://i48.tinypic.com/xptsed.gif
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 09:32 (eleven years ago) link
Perfect
― Tim F, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:18 (eleven years ago) link
holy fucking shit that angel moore song
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:24 (eleven years ago) link
also lol it's totally obvious how rtc found it
it doesn't seem to exist in mp3 form. maybe it never has!
also if tsrobodo's gonna introduce me to artists like gaelle let's hold off on the clowning gifs this once
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:26 (eleven years ago) link
never
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:43 (eleven years ago) link
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:24 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark
alas this deduction is incorrect as i already have a youtube of 'moments in love' permanently embedded in my soul
furthermore, http://www68.zippyshare.com/v/98805385/file.html
― r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:52 (eleven years ago) link
YASSSSSS, hq and everything
― lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:54 (eleven years ago) link
Okay woah @ Angel Moore.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 13:01 (eleven years ago) link
Forgot about that Gaelle record!
― queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 14:48 (eleven years ago) link
The snarky bitchcraft is kinda lost on me.
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 19:17 (eleven years ago) link
IMO that gif expresses something rather more complex and ambiguous than snarky bitchcraft
Basically, I want to believe that you might be onto something tsrobodo, but the idea that "in terms of tonality, mood and the steady insistence of the beats, there are pretty clear parallels" works only at such a level of remove that I think it becomes meaningless.
Even with the artists you mentioned the similarity strikes me as one born of the fact that vocal deep house takes its cues from R&B, and there is a lot of other R&B I'd choose before Dawn to characterise that relationship of proximity.
― Tim F, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link
Tim you so are good at explaining things nicely, I would send my kids to your school
― formed arses (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 22:42 (eleven years ago) link
I'd be interested in learning more about the "clapper trend" that was mentioned upthread. I hear dry, plug-and-play claps and hats and think "this sounds like footwork" but could somebody elaborate?
― formed arses (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 22:44 (eleven years ago) link
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/music/2012/03/clapping_songs_rihanna_birthday_cake_big_sean_dance_ass.php
― 乒乓, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 22:46 (eleven years ago) link
gif selection is a fine art yo don't ever get it twisted
that said, "bitchcraft" is totes going on my cv
― r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:11 (eleven years ago) link
bonus track
http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/the-juice/1536269/dawn-richards-nlx-exclusive-song-premiere
― prolego, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 17:18 (eleven years ago) link
keep feeling like tsrobodo has a point about something, just not necessarily this album (yet)
praps if the q was like, what is it that makes zaki ibrahim sound like an eclectic house diva traveller but not ever really like an r&b singer despite notional similarity
― r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:45 (eleven years ago) link
yeah zaki is def. a better fit for this idea
― Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 02:44 (eleven years ago) link
Much of the rhetoric I've seen in the R&B and hip-hop threads here can be distilled down to "snarky bitchcraft" and while I haven't been around long enough to know if that's the norm, you guys do seem to love talking 'around' each other.
I'll concede that my characterisation was clumsy and lazy, but I wasn't implying that she took direct cues from deep house or even that they operate within the same frame of stylistic reference. I just feel that considering the extents to which popular motifs in dance, electronic and R&B music have shifted over the past decade, there is a notable sonic correlation between the two.
Curious as to what R&B you'd choose from the mid 00's that better characterises that parallel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwNx5kuxxV4https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZlC3vaOr6Y
― tsrobodo, Thursday, 31 January 2013 05:01 (eleven years ago) link
Why are the mid 00's particularly relevant here? (that's a non snarky bitchcraft q)
― Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 05:09 (eleven years ago) link
Why are the mid 00's particularly relevant here?
Nothing inherently special about the 00's in regards to this but the artists I referenced all released albums between 04 and 05. We could draw parallels with artists working concurrently but where's the fun in that?
Just to clarify I'm not implying a linear evolution from one to the other but speaking more in terms of how they incorporate prevalent trends into their music.
― tsrobodo, Thursday, 31 January 2013 05:32 (eleven years ago) link
http://i.imgur.com/lH3Clvq.gif
― r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:36 (eleven years ago) link
^^^ not getting mixed up in that
I got the physical v of this yesterday, am a little surprised at how...low-budget the art & layout are. no problem! I bought it this way since I'm willing to pay a $3 premium for the "artifact"; but I guess they're thinking this'll sell primarily digitally so why try very hard with the physical one. obv I don't really care because THE MUSIC MAN
― Euler, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:02 (eleven years ago) link
obv i like that gif
― Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:27 (eleven years ago) link
u like the bitchcraft now but just wait til season 6
― r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:47 (eleven years ago) link
I wasn't implying that she took direct cues from deep house or even that they operate within the same frame of stylistic reference. I just feel that considering the extents to which popular motifs in dance, electronic and R&B music have shifted over the past decade, there is a notable sonic correlation between the two.
how long do i have to stare at this before something happens
― r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:58 (eleven years ago) link
so like, there's some dance elements... like house... and there's some moody vibes... like deep house...
― r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:59 (eleven years ago) link
female vocals too
― Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:00 (eleven years ago) link
to be really real in a boring way jill scott and angie stone have already got that deep house shit locked down, dawn missed a trick by not being around to get on some prog house extravaga biz back in 1994 or so.
Like you could see her and the drum club just ~vibing~
― Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:03 (eleven years ago) link
i will never understand why bitches never summon quentin harris
― r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:12 (eleven years ago) link
b/c it's like staring into the real of their careers
― Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:16 (eleven years ago) link
oh i see what u mean, cos the r&b diva ego resists being as entwined with the music as house makes it
― r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:25 (eleven years ago) link
yeah
quentin harris remixes of jill or seriously next level
― Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:26 (eleven years ago) link
*are
― Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:27 (eleven years ago) link
especially "hate on me" >>>>>>
― lex pretend, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:27 (eleven years ago) link