The purpose built next generation interstellar Dawn Richard thread

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<3 that Gaelle album, never stopped listening to it.

Plasmon, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 02:39 (seven years ago) link

pray tell what are the deep house elements on Goldenheart.

Well it rings pretty clear to me on the first half of the album and crops up elsewhere (Though the dub elements may to an extent overshadow it on Pretty Wicked Things). In terms of tonality, mood and the steady insistence of the beats, there are pretty clear parallels.

The problem with vocal deep house is that the sample size is relatively small in terms of artistic output so there is a lot of room for mischaracterisation. But looking at Richard next to Gaelle, Lisa Shaw and Lysa Aya Trenier I do hear undeniable similarities.

Listening to the tracks would probably illustrate the point better than reading anything I have to say about it.

tsrobodo, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 03:15 (seven years ago) link

http://i48.tinypic.com/xptsed.gif

r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 09:32 (seven years ago) link

Perfect

Tim F, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:18 (seven years ago) link

holy fucking shit that angel moore song

lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:24 (seven years ago) link

also lol it's totally obvious how rtc found it

lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:24 (seven years ago) link

it doesn't seem to exist in mp3 form. maybe it never has!

lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:24 (seven years ago) link

also if tsrobodo's gonna introduce me to artists like gaelle let's hold off on the clowning gifs this once

lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:26 (seven years ago) link

never

r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:43 (seven years ago) link

also lol it's totally obvious how rtc found it

― lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:24 (10 minutes ago) Bookmark

alas this deduction is incorrect as i already have a youtube of 'moments in love' permanently embedded in my soul

furthermore, http://www68.zippyshare.com/v/98805385/file.html

r|t|c, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:52 (seven years ago) link

YASSSSSS, hq and everything

lex pretend, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 12:54 (seven years ago) link

Okay woah @ Angel Moore.

Tim F, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 13:01 (seven years ago) link

Forgot about that Gaelle record!

queef ka queef (Spottie_Ottie_Dope), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 14:48 (seven years ago) link

The snarky bitchcraft is kinda lost on me.

tsrobodo, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 19:17 (seven years ago) link

IMO that gif expresses something rather more complex and ambiguous than snarky bitchcraft

Basically, I want to believe that you might be onto something tsrobodo, but the idea that "in terms of tonality, mood and the steady insistence of the beats, there are pretty clear parallels" works only at such a level of remove that I think it becomes meaningless.

Even with the artists you mentioned the similarity strikes me as one born of the fact that vocal deep house takes its cues from R&B, and there is a lot of other R&B I'd choose before Dawn to characterise that relationship of proximity.

Tim F, Tuesday, 29 January 2013 21:58 (seven years ago) link

Tim you so are good at explaining things nicely, I would send my kids to your school

formed arses (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 22:42 (seven years ago) link

I'd be interested in learning more about the "clapper trend" that was mentioned upthread. I hear dry, plug-and-play claps and hats and think "this sounds like footwork" but could somebody elaborate?

formed arses (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 29 January 2013 22:44 (seven years ago) link

gif selection is a fine art yo don't ever get it twisted

that said, "bitchcraft" is totes going on my cv

r|t|c, Wednesday, 30 January 2013 01:11 (seven years ago) link

keep feeling like tsrobodo has a point about something, just not necessarily this album (yet)

praps if the q was like, what is it that makes zaki ibrahim sound like an eclectic house diva traveller but not ever really like an r&b singer despite notional similarity

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 01:45 (seven years ago) link

yeah zaki is def. a better fit for this idea

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 02:44 (seven years ago) link

Much of the rhetoric I've seen in the R&B and hip-hop threads here can be distilled down to "snarky bitchcraft" and while I haven't been around long enough to know if that's the norm, you guys do seem to love talking 'around' each other.

I'll concede that my characterisation was clumsy and lazy, but I wasn't implying that she took direct cues from deep house or even that they operate within the same frame of stylistic reference. I just feel that considering the extents to which popular motifs in dance, electronic and R&B music have shifted over the past decade, there is a notable sonic correlation between the two.

Curious as to what R&B you'd choose from the mid 00's that better characterises that parallel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwNx5kuxxV4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZlC3vaOr6Y

tsrobodo, Thursday, 31 January 2013 05:01 (seven years ago) link

Curious as to what R&B you'd choose from the mid 00's that better characterises that parallel.

Why are the mid 00's particularly relevant here? (that's a non snarky bitchcraft q)

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 05:09 (seven years ago) link

Why are the mid 00's particularly relevant here?

Nothing inherently special about the 00's in regards to this but the artists I referenced all released albums between 04 and 05. We could draw parallels with artists working concurrently but where's the fun in that?

Just to clarify I'm not implying a linear evolution from one to the other but speaking more in terms of how they incorporate prevalent trends into their music.

tsrobodo, Thursday, 31 January 2013 05:32 (seven years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/lH3Clvq.gif

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 10:36 (seven years ago) link

^^^ not getting mixed up in that

I got the physical v of this yesterday, am a little surprised at how...low-budget the art & layout are. no problem! I bought it this way since I'm willing to pay a $3 premium for the "artifact"; but I guess they're thinking this'll sell primarily digitally so why try very hard with the physical one. obv I don't really care because THE MUSIC MAN

Euler, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:02 (seven years ago) link

obv i like that gif

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:27 (seven years ago) link

u like the bitchcraft now but just wait til season 6

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:47 (seven years ago) link

I wasn't implying that she took direct cues from deep house or even that they operate within the same frame of stylistic reference. I just feel that considering the extents to which popular motifs in dance, electronic and R&B music have shifted over the past decade, there is a notable sonic correlation between the two.

how long do i have to stare at this before something happens

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:58 (seven years ago) link

so like, there's some dance elements... like house... and there's some moody vibes... like deep house...

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:59 (seven years ago) link

female vocals too

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:00 (seven years ago) link

to be really real in a boring way jill scott and angie stone have already got that deep house shit locked down, dawn missed a trick by not being around to get on some prog house extravaga biz back in 1994 or so.

Like you could see her and the drum club just ~vibing~

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:03 (seven years ago) link

i will never understand why bitches never summon quentin harris

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:12 (seven years ago) link

b/c it's like staring into the real of their careers

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:16 (seven years ago) link

oh i see what u mean, cos the r&b diva ego resists being as entwined with the music as house makes it

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:25 (seven years ago) link

yeah

quentin harris remixes of jill or seriously next level

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:26 (seven years ago) link

*are

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:27 (seven years ago) link

especially "hate on me" >>>>>>

lex pretend, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:27 (seven years ago) link

man I even like that jill scott / 4 hero collabo.

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:34 (seven years ago) link

http://www73.zippyshare.com/v/66448497/file.html

did you guys ever hear his adele 'set fire to the rain' last year? removed from soundcloud now so here's the re up

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:40 (seven years ago) link

wait, so were jill and angie gettin it in with the hauskru back in 90-something frealz and if so where do I hear that?

The Reverend, Friday, 1 February 2013 03:08 (seven years ago) link

Not back in 90-something, and not frealz (to my knowledge).

Discussion above is in oblique reference to Quentin Harris remixes of "Whatever" and (less obliquely) "Hate On Me", both of which are - what - 5 years old? Harris seems to have Scott jones and remixed a billion other tunes as well but I can't vouch as to their quality.

Obv. Angie ruled clubland with several remixes of "Wish I Didn't Miss You Anymore", though that's not deep house.

But vocally and musically both have a kind of summer-tinted warmth that is just more in keeping with deep house reigning principles than Dawn.

Teedra's another vocalist who'd be queen of the scene of if she deigned to go there.

Tim F, Friday, 1 February 2013 03:20 (seven years ago) link

http://youtu.be/SNEeWYUwgd8

not to overly prolong the halfbaked house diversion but i'm belatedly feeling the hell out of this simply correction right now - marsha you are very much in the wrong game

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 12:08 (seven years ago) link

oh wow this latest thread revive looks interesting. mouth watering in anticipation of listening later

fiscal cliff racer (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 14:04 (seven years ago) link

house marsha!!!!

there were some good remixes of floetry back in the day iirc? (sadly my itunes does not rc)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 14:13 (seven years ago) link

http://youtu.be/BnDQ_T9NP-U
http://youtu.be/5Kis5RHIV3E

there's these

tangential but i remember when i felt "soulful house" circa 2009 was particularly fecund thinking there were so many nice standalone songs, i wonder what it'd be like if someone like monique bingham (more skilled and charismatic a performer than so many popular nu-soul divas) did an album. realised it probably wouldnt really work in any useful way

― r|t|c, Friday, 6 July 2012 13:11 (6 months ago) Bookmark

posted on the zaki ibrahim thread fwiw

all this talk and the l phonix & yllavation mix i posted on the bubblers thread (which is in practical terms a 12 track acid jazz nu-soul album in the vivifying form of a 20 track freewheeling partymixx) got me musing in general

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 14:33 (seven years ago) link

as for poor dawn i find i haven't too much to say, but then i suppose i've already done my bit

it probably should be noted that missy 'hit em wit da hee' remix video is a towering larp&b forebearer

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 14:37 (seven years ago) link

Ahem anyway going back to talking about the album - I think the fact that exactly the same vocal treatment is used on every single track goes some way towards explaining accusations of samey-ness. I'm not really that keen on the autotune that's all over this, she's evidently got a great voice and it just flattens everything out, especially the high notes and melisma when she should be sounding her most expressive. It gets kind of frustrating after an hour. I mean she used the same trick over most of Armor On so maybe I wouldn't care if the songs were better but I can't help but feel a lack of joie de vivre here.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:42 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is pretty much how i feel about this after one listen :(

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Thursday, 7 February 2013 03:32 (seven years ago) link

all of dawn's work has been like this for me though, even LTTP took weeks to fully work its way into my heart. it does feel unfair to criticize as 'samey' what is clearly the work of an artist with a very specific and rather unique voice ("voice" in the narrative sense). the autotune does seem to keep me at army's length though, and does sort of flatten its emotional range a bit. but again, only one listen in. and i suspect the car is not the ideal place to listen to this, particularly initially

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Thursday, 7 February 2013 04:31 (seven years ago) link


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