The purpose built next generation interstellar Dawn Richard thread

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^^^ not getting mixed up in that

I got the physical v of this yesterday, am a little surprised at how...low-budget the art & layout are. no problem! I bought it this way since I'm willing to pay a $3 premium for the "artifact"; but I guess they're thinking this'll sell primarily digitally so why try very hard with the physical one. obv I don't really care because THE MUSIC MAN

Euler, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:02 (seven years ago) link

obv i like that gif

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:27 (seven years ago) link

u like the bitchcraft now but just wait til season 6

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:47 (seven years ago) link

I wasn't implying that she took direct cues from deep house or even that they operate within the same frame of stylistic reference. I just feel that considering the extents to which popular motifs in dance, electronic and R&B music have shifted over the past decade, there is a notable sonic correlation between the two.

how long do i have to stare at this before something happens

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:58 (seven years ago) link

so like, there's some dance elements... like house... and there's some moody vibes... like deep house...

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 12:59 (seven years ago) link

female vocals too

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:00 (seven years ago) link

to be really real in a boring way jill scott and angie stone have already got that deep house shit locked down, dawn missed a trick by not being around to get on some prog house extravaga biz back in 1994 or so.

Like you could see her and the drum club just ~vibing~

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:03 (seven years ago) link

i will never understand why bitches never summon quentin harris

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:12 (seven years ago) link

b/c it's like staring into the real of their careers

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:16 (seven years ago) link

oh i see what u mean, cos the r&b diva ego resists being as entwined with the music as house makes it

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:25 (seven years ago) link

yeah

quentin harris remixes of jill or seriously next level

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:26 (seven years ago) link

*are

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:27 (seven years ago) link

especially "hate on me" >>>>>>

lex pretend, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:27 (seven years ago) link

man I even like that jill scott / 4 hero collabo.

Tim F, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:34 (seven years ago) link

http://www73.zippyshare.com/v/66448497/file.html

did you guys ever hear his adele 'set fire to the rain' last year? removed from soundcloud now so here's the re up

r|t|c, Thursday, 31 January 2013 13:40 (seven years ago) link

wait, so were jill and angie gettin it in with the hauskru back in 90-something frealz and if so where do I hear that?

The Reverend, Friday, 1 February 2013 03:08 (seven years ago) link

Not back in 90-something, and not frealz (to my knowledge).

Discussion above is in oblique reference to Quentin Harris remixes of "Whatever" and (less obliquely) "Hate On Me", both of which are - what - 5 years old? Harris seems to have Scott jones and remixed a billion other tunes as well but I can't vouch as to their quality.

Obv. Angie ruled clubland with several remixes of "Wish I Didn't Miss You Anymore", though that's not deep house.

But vocally and musically both have a kind of summer-tinted warmth that is just more in keeping with deep house reigning principles than Dawn.

Teedra's another vocalist who'd be queen of the scene of if she deigned to go there.

Tim F, Friday, 1 February 2013 03:20 (seven years ago) link

http://youtu.be/SNEeWYUwgd8

not to overly prolong the halfbaked house diversion but i'm belatedly feeling the hell out of this simply correction right now - marsha you are very much in the wrong game

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 12:08 (seven years ago) link

oh wow this latest thread revive looks interesting. mouth watering in anticipation of listening later

fiscal cliff racer (bernard snowy), Tuesday, 5 February 2013 14:04 (seven years ago) link

house marsha!!!!

there were some good remixes of floetry back in the day iirc? (sadly my itunes does not rc)

lex pretend, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 14:13 (seven years ago) link

http://youtu.be/BnDQ_T9NP-U
http://youtu.be/5Kis5RHIV3E

there's these

tangential but i remember when i felt "soulful house" circa 2009 was particularly fecund thinking there were so many nice standalone songs, i wonder what it'd be like if someone like monique bingham (more skilled and charismatic a performer than so many popular nu-soul divas) did an album. realised it probably wouldnt really work in any useful way

― r|t|c, Friday, 6 July 2012 13:11 (6 months ago) Bookmark

posted on the zaki ibrahim thread fwiw

all this talk and the l phonix & yllavation mix i posted on the bubblers thread (which is in practical terms a 12 track acid jazz nu-soul album in the vivifying form of a 20 track freewheeling partymixx) got me musing in general

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 14:33 (seven years ago) link

as for poor dawn i find i haven't too much to say, but then i suppose i've already done my bit

it probably should be noted that missy 'hit em wit da hee' remix video is a towering larp&b forebearer

r|t|c, Tuesday, 5 February 2013 14:37 (seven years ago) link

Ahem anyway going back to talking about the album - I think the fact that exactly the same vocal treatment is used on every single track goes some way towards explaining accusations of samey-ness. I'm not really that keen on the autotune that's all over this, she's evidently got a great voice and it just flattens everything out, especially the high notes and melisma when she should be sounding her most expressive. It gets kind of frustrating after an hour. I mean she used the same trick over most of Armor On so maybe I wouldn't care if the songs were better but I can't help but feel a lack of joie de vivre here.

― Matt DC, Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:42 PM (3 weeks ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is pretty much how i feel about this after one listen :(

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Thursday, 7 February 2013 03:32 (seven years ago) link

all of dawn's work has been like this for me though, even LTTP took weeks to fully work its way into my heart. it does feel unfair to criticize as 'samey' what is clearly the work of an artist with a very specific and rather unique voice ("voice" in the narrative sense). the autotune does seem to keep me at army's length though, and does sort of flatten its emotional range a bit. but again, only one listen in. and i suspect the car is not the ideal place to listen to this, particularly initially

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Thursday, 7 February 2013 04:31 (seven years ago) link

I'm in the same boat. I don't see myself ever listening to this album again :/

Evan R, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:22 (seven years ago) link

Dawn's voice is great and the production is pristine, but it exhausts its tricks so early and keeps repeating them. And like Matt said, that wouldn't matter so much if the songs carried any weight, but a lot of them sort of suck

Evan R, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:24 (seven years ago) link

what tricks are even repeated?! sonically there's something distinct about every song here. i'm sorry it doesn't have the wide-ranging variety of eg the weeknd though

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:25 (seven years ago) link

I like that the vocal treatment stays the same, it sounds like she's personally taking your hand and leading the listener through a changing environment, to my ears anyway

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:28 (seven years ago) link

I mean, the stylistic shifts from song to song are so huge that by the time Clair de Lune starts up I feel like she's "covered all possible bases".

Also, the Clair de Lune outro jeeeez I can't even deal with it, it's so I-don't-give-a-fuck to just sing along to the most famous piano solo ever that I actually get the sensation that this woman has successfully connected her human experience to the length of my musical consciousness and gave that overplayed piece new life in my headspace

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:33 (seven years ago) link

My reaction to that was to be reminded of Janelle Monae and think "does Diddy make all of his protégées sing over Claire de Lune or does he gravitate towards protégées who would think ending their album by singing over Claire de Lune is awesome?"

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:38 (seven years ago) link

A big part of Armor On's appeal was the surprise; it introduced such a well-defined aesthetic and kept doling out twists on it, some little some big, throughout its entire playtime. I don't get that sense at all from this one, though. So much of it felt familiar from the start; it doesn't have the same sense of invention that Armor On did.

Evan R, Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:42 (seven years ago) link

Oh, I didn't get very far with Janelle Monae. Did she do something similar?

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:43 (seven years ago) link

nm I looked it up

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:50 (seven years ago) link

It's a different thing to my ears, singing a naked, solo single voice over a complete performance of the most famous piano piece? It's akin to those moments when a song can't contain the limits of the singer's conviction and they slip into "Amazing Grace"

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:58 (seven years ago) link

lol I was just about to post it

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2013 15:59 (seven years ago) link

I have to give that Janelle Monae album another shot. I only listened once and thought it sounded like she'd grafted her vocals onto a pre-existing album, like, there was very little interaction between track and voice. (And this is the case, apparently?) Seeing her live was so amazing tho, such a great band, I can't wait for new stuff from her

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:04 (seven years ago) link

if it doesn't sound like t-pain i basically have no idea what people are talking about when autotune gets invoked

r|t|c, Thursday, 7 February 2013 16:10 (seven years ago) link

I see myself listening to this album again, but the first listen didn't quite knock me out like I'd hoped it would on the basis of "'86" and her 2012 singles. The uniformity is definitely going to be the obstacle; the only songs I have any clear memory of right now despite having first listened to the record last night are "'86" and the one that covers/samples/whatever Peter Gabriel. I dunno, I need spend more time marinating in it.

Public Brooding Closet (cryptosicko), Thursday, 7 February 2013 17:54 (seven years ago) link

It's finally starting to open up to me after about five or six listens, but it's taken that long for the individual songs to separate themselves.

The Reverend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 19:58 (seven years ago) link

For me the album actually got less interesting the more I listened to it. It was around listen five that I realized lots of the potential I heard in my early listens wasn't going to be realized; probably around listen six that I realized, ok, I'm done

Evan R, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:05 (seven years ago) link

There are obviously a few standout tracks that I'll return to, and a few more that I hope grow on me or reveal themselves to me over time. But this is a seriously padded album

Evan R, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:05 (seven years ago) link

Aside from "Ode to you" I love every track on this album and I think the only thing I don't have in common with a lot of naysayers here is that I didn't love "Armor On", I mean, it's great! but I only listened a couple times and don't think it's a major work. Considering how highly "Armor On" placed on that poll last week maybe some other listeners are a little oversaturated with Dawn? I'm hoping so and that public opinion rallies somewhat

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:12 (seven years ago) link

well, it's very different from armor on, which was very concise and relatively immediate - this one def took 5-6 listens before i could even start finding a way into it and is the opposite of concise. really, it was only when other people started raving about "break of dawn" and "ode to you" that i fully came round to the second half.

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:16 (seven years ago) link

I have noticed that my favorite song on this is whatever the last song I happened to listen to was; I am not yet sure if that means that I love every song on here or if I don't actually care about any of the songs.

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:40 (seven years ago) link

I think the "it's too samey" complaint is both correct and unfair. The sameyness actually works really well IMO except that the album is so long that the appearance of lesser tracks gives the whole album the vibe of being a slog (although again this almost feels intentional - swap "slog" for "marathon").

Tim F, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:31 (seven years ago) link

I like that the vocal treatment stays the same, it sounds like she's personally taking your hand and leading the listener through a changing environment, to my ears anyway

― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, February 7, 2013 10:28 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a very good way of putting it imo

dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:46 (seven years ago) link

Yeah, with Armor On, I was immediately like OH HOLY FUCK THIS IS AMAZEBALLS right off the bat.

The Reverend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:58 (seven years ago) link

Yeah this album would get more love if people couldn't remember what it was like to listen to Armor On the first time.

Tim F, Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:06 (seven years ago) link

i liked Armor On right away but it still took its time really getting under my skin. i'm glad i had like 9-10 months til the end of the year to sort out my feelings for it, and i'm glad i have 11 months for this one, i'm in no rush.

dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:08 (seven years ago) link

Listening to and thinking about the Mano Le Tough album unexpectedly shed light on some of how I feel about Goldenheart. I had already noticed that there was a big difference in how I felt about the songs when I actively engaged with them vs when I just let them wash over me. In both cases, if I try to listen while doing anything else, the music quickly recedes to the background of my consciousness.

What both share is this sense of very intricate, internally restless but consistent-in-tone arrangements whose sense of balance and proportion can actually work against them catching your attention if you're not already giving it - i.e. it's very easy to just take for granted how successfully each sound leads into the next and let it become a pleasant blur.

Tim F, Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:20 (seven years ago) link


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