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Aside from "Ode to you" I love every track on this album and I think the only thing I don't have in common with a lot of naysayers here is that I didn't love "Armor On", I mean, it's great! but I only listened a couple times and don't think it's a major work. Considering how highly "Armor On" placed on that poll last week maybe some other listeners are a little oversaturated with Dawn? I'm hoping so and that public opinion rallies somewhat

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:12 (eight years ago) link

well, it's very different from armor on, which was very concise and relatively immediate - this one def took 5-6 listens before i could even start finding a way into it and is the opposite of concise. really, it was only when other people started raving about "break of dawn" and "ode to you" that i fully came round to the second half.

lex pretend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:16 (eight years ago) link

I have noticed that my favorite song on this is whatever the last song I happened to listen to was; I am not yet sure if that means that I love every song on here or if I don't actually care about any of the songs.

Ima R.A.E.D. (DJP), Thursday, 7 February 2013 20:40 (eight years ago) link

I think the "it's too samey" complaint is both correct and unfair. The sameyness actually works really well IMO except that the album is so long that the appearance of lesser tracks gives the whole album the vibe of being a slog (although again this almost feels intentional - swap "slog" for "marathon").

Tim F, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:31 (eight years ago) link

I like that the vocal treatment stays the same, it sounds like she's personally taking your hand and leading the listener through a changing environment, to my ears anyway

― dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Thursday, February 7, 2013 10:28 AM (6 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

this is a very good way of putting it imo

dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:46 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, with Armor On, I was immediately like OH HOLY FUCK THIS IS AMAZEBALLS right off the bat.

The Reverend, Thursday, 7 February 2013 21:58 (eight years ago) link

Yeah this album would get more love if people couldn't remember what it was like to listen to Armor On the first time.

Tim F, Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:06 (eight years ago) link

i liked Armor On right away but it still took its time really getting under my skin. i'm glad i had like 9-10 months til the end of the year to sort out my feelings for it, and i'm glad i have 11 months for this one, i'm in no rush.

dirty drone barack boy (some dude), Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:08 (eight years ago) link

Listening to and thinking about the Mano Le Tough album unexpectedly shed light on some of how I feel about Goldenheart. I had already noticed that there was a big difference in how I felt about the songs when I actively engaged with them vs when I just let them wash over me. In both cases, if I try to listen while doing anything else, the music quickly recedes to the background of my consciousness.

What both share is this sense of very intricate, internally restless but consistent-in-tone arrangements whose sense of balance and proportion can actually work against them catching your attention if you're not already giving it - i.e. it's very easy to just take for granted how successfully each sound leads into the next and let it become a pleasant blur.

Tim F, Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:20 (eight years ago) link

One thing that was very different about Armor On was the way that each song created its own soundworld and felt very unified within that but also distinct from its neighbours you definitely notice the transitions from track to track.

Tim F, Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:21 (eight years ago) link

otm. The transitions on that album were incredible; it was a thrill when one track gave way to another. This one feels like one continuous 76-minute track by comparison

Evan R, Thursday, 7 February 2013 22:59 (eight years ago) link

you have the Mano album Tim? Jealous

Number None, Friday, 8 February 2013 13:36 (eight years ago) link

lex pretend, Friday, 8 February 2013 13:53 (eight years ago) link

the where

oh that place


r|t|c, Friday, 8 February 2013 14:00 (eight years ago) link

ok i was 100% right about this being better on headphones; there's a pulse to this thing, a thread running through it i couldn't discern in my car's speakers

"frequency" !!!

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 01:10 (eight years ago) link

Yeah tune is the bomb.

Tim F, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 01:16 (eight years ago) link

dunno what to tell you if you do most of your listening in a car

乒乓, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 01:16 (eight years ago) link

i drive a lot :(

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 01:22 (eight years ago) link

there's like whole segments of rap and r&b that are primarily meant to be heard while driving! (obv goldenheart is not in this category)

The Reverend, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:07 (eight years ago) link

cars are like THE ideal place to experience a ton of music, way more defensible to do most of your listening in a car than on earbuds or whatever

BIG REUSS aka the fun.driver (some dude), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:13 (eight years ago) link

srsly. fuck earbuds forever.

The Reverend, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:14 (eight years ago) link

obv the car is the best place to listen to the radio but it's loud and your speakers are shitty please uninstall that cd changer now

乒乓, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:17 (eight years ago) link

please c/p the post where I repped for earbuds? I agree that people should take their apple earbuds and deposit them straight into the trashcan

otoh if you've never listened to your favorite song on a nice IEM then idk if you're really into music

乒乓, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:19 (eight years ago) link

like, do you listen to music or do you just skim through it

乒乓, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:19 (eight years ago) link

The car is the only place where I listen to radio for more than three minutes but, yeah, I loathe my portable CD player and its tape adapter.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:20 (eight years ago) link

"frequency" might be dawn's best song

manti 乒乓 (k3vin k.), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 02:21 (eight years ago) link

thank u ilx for turning me on to this album btw
it is awesome.

it was very clear that it's a sarcastic song (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 05:51 (eight years ago) link

i pretty much got into rap music through driving. 100% the best environment to listen to it.

tpp, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:04 (eight years ago) link

dunno how soundproof cars generally are but any situation where there's background noise competing with the music (and drowning out bits of it) is suboptimal

lex pretend, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 10:11 (eight years ago) link


乒乓, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 12:37 (eight years ago) link

i pretty much got into rap music through driving. 100% the best environment to listen to it.

especially on tape. I still own a Wu solo comp a friend made in the late nineties.

the little prince of inane false binary hype (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 12 February 2013 13:35 (eight years ago) link

I'm much more likely to click with an album if I listen to it while driving. I usually make a point of listening to any album I review in the car at some point (esp. if it's rap) since it gives me better perspective.

That's part of the reason streaming promo copies are such a bummer; I can't subject the album to the car test.

Evan R, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 15:27 (eight years ago) link

haha i do the same but for headphones listening (either while walking or on quiet public transport)

i think i know maybe two people who can drive

lex pretend, Tuesday, 12 February 2013 15:31 (eight years ago) link

three weeks pass...

"northern lights" -> "frequency" -> "warfaire" -> "in your eyes" -> "goldenheart"

my commute to the hospital typically takes exactly this long

k3vin k., Thursday, 7 March 2013 22:56 (eight years ago) link

Totally forgot about this album, and for as much as I listened to it in January, I don't remember much about it at all. But I think that might be a good thing. I'm excited to re-listen to it again in a few months with completely fresh ears and see if it sticks the second time around

Evan R, Friday, 8 March 2013 01:06 (eight years ago) link

k3vin otm. I listened to that exact sequence on my commute the other day. In general I think this is best heard in smaller chunks.

rob, Friday, 8 March 2013 03:52 (eight years ago) link

back end, excepting the title track, feels weak to me

the 'dirty sprite' is implied (forksclovetofu), Friday, 8 March 2013 08:32 (eight years ago) link

She put up two new songs on her Soundcloud page a couple of days ago:

longneck, Friday, 8 March 2013 09:56 (eight years ago) link

Weird how everyone takes home different things from this album, because I still think the back end is by far the strongest section.

Kevin's selection is great though (although I love Break of Dawn and 86 as well). Sequencing on this album is kind of bad though, I like Frequency and Warfaire but you really don't need Tug of War AND Ode To You after them, I can barely remember what the latter two sound like within minutes of having listened to them, so the overall effect is just of a glut of the same type of song.

I wish they had a better editor though, listening to this as a whole I'm reminded of rock bands on their third or fourth album who are so keen to appear 'epic' or 'important' they lose some of the spark that made them great in the first place.

Matt DC, Friday, 8 March 2013 09:58 (eight years ago) link

This is another album where everyone disagrees on which are the great tracks, which are middling and which should be culled (except perhaps for "Frequency" which seems to have consensus support). Clearly the problems are more structural than song-specific.

Tim F, Friday, 8 March 2013 10:21 (eight years ago) link

I might be the only person who prefers Warfaire to Frequency, I was kind of bemused as to why people were so down on the former a few weeks ago. The problem that structure won't solve is the heavy-handedness of some of the bangers.

Matt DC, Friday, 8 March 2013 10:27 (eight years ago) link

(NB the main question that's been running through my head throughout this thread is 'would Lex like Game of Thrones?')

Matt DC, Friday, 8 March 2013 10:28 (eight years ago) link

Haha now I also will obsess over this question.

I feel at least Lex would be sympathetic to the trials and tribulations of Daenerys.

Tim F, Friday, 8 March 2013 10:37 (eight years ago) link

What is Game of Thrones? If it's TV, I don't watch TV

r&b morcilla (lex pretend), Friday, 8 March 2013 11:03 (eight years ago) link

not sure thrones' t&a level would get past lex's rap internet chauvinism policing

r|t|c, Friday, 8 March 2013 11:16 (eight years ago) link

You mean it wouldn't be high enough?

I'd hesitate to say this album wouldn't exist were it not for Game of Thrones, because Dawn's nerding out spectrum is far far broader than that, but maybe not in quite the same form.

Matt DC, Friday, 8 March 2013 11:38 (eight years ago) link

Dawn needs some baby dragons.

Tim F, Friday, 8 March 2013 11:43 (eight years ago) link

Ha ha - you know she knows it too.

longneck, Friday, 8 March 2013 12:57 (eight years ago) link

Glad other people like Warfaire. One of my favorites as well. Along with Return of a Queen, 86, Frequency, Northern Lights.

MikoMcha, Friday, 8 March 2013 13:20 (eight years ago) link

"86" is still the only song on this I love :/

radric: the guccining (The Reverend), Friday, 8 March 2013 13:24 (eight years ago) link

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