baking: does it come easily to you?

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I'm good at baking, but most people I've met irl that are bad at it really just don't follow directions, or are like LL's work friend and think Cool Whip is heavy whipping cream or whatever. It really is all about following the directions word for word. The "baking is a science" thing is not an entirely true statement, but there is a lot of science that is fundamental to baking and it's very important to know the role of each ingredient and not just go "Well I'm on a low salt diet so I skipped the salt, but I can't figure out what I did wrong." Beyond that, there is a lot of technique involved, but if you start with some basic recipes it's pretty simple stuff.

I tried to get into the "bake by weight, not volume!" camp for a while but realized that it doesn't make that huge of a difference; I go by the scoop-and-level method and it works out just fine. As long as your flour, sugar, salt, baking soda, baking powder etc adhere to an approximate ratio you should be OK.

cwkiii, Friday, 8 February 2013 14:59 (eleven years ago) link

If I learned how to make really lemony poundcake I WOULD EAT SO MUCH POUNDCAKE so it's better that I don't know.

lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Friday, 8 February 2013 15:00 (eleven years ago) link

salty brownies for me -- i've made a wide array of cakes and stuff like that. this is fun flavorful baking imo.

the kind of baking i don't like is "it took half a day and made a huge mess for me to eat this piece of bread and then watch it get stale before my eyes because no two people can eat that much bread that fast and no one wants your gift of partially stale bread" baking, ie a waste of my time/energy.

desserts and savory pies are worth time and energy. y'all can have the rest.

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 8 February 2013 15:03 (eleven years ago) link

are calzones/empanadas/pasties "baking"? that's the kind of baking i enjoy.

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 8 February 2013 15:04 (eleven years ago) link

I'm a good cook for the most part, but several recent experiments with yeast breads were all flops. I don't mind buying store bread, but it was disappointing when the panettone didn't work--that stuff is NICE for breakfast.

I'm considering trying one of the no-knead bread recipies floating around the internet. Yet simultaneously I'm thinking MAYBE I should be cutting back on starches. Well, I contain multitudes (which is the problem that has me thinking maybe I should give up starches).

The Devils of Loudoun County (j.lu), Friday, 8 February 2013 15:08 (eleven years ago) link

There was a while when I was being really good about making a lot of cookie dough and freezing it in tube shapes, rolled up in plastic wrap & foil, and then slicing off cookies like 8 at a time so I could have fresh ones every few days. That was pretty smart.

lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Friday, 8 February 2013 15:09 (eleven years ago) link

tbf i haven't really tried to bake enough to determine if i'm actually any good at it but it does not feel like it comes naturally to me

call all destroyer, Friday, 8 February 2013 15:12 (eleven years ago) link

I have one really good no-knead bread recipe; I'll try to remember to post it when I get home. But I have tried a few others that were disappointing.

Homemade bread is for when you are having guests for dinner and want the house to smell wonderful! Otherwise, yeah, way too much bread.

cwkiii, Friday, 8 February 2013 15:13 (eleven years ago) link

I can only barely remember homemade doughtnuts and I have never really longed to deep-fry anything else in the food world, but I would eat homemade doughnuts until I felt sick.

lets just remember to blame the patriarchy for (in orbit), Friday, 8 February 2013 15:17 (eleven years ago) link

There's some good, easy bread recipes in the tassajara bread book -- I think it was recommended to me from ilx in the first place. I like baking and it isn't something I have had many problems with. It's omelets that I'll never get right.

Ulna (Nicole), Friday, 8 February 2013 15:50 (eleven years ago) link

I'm very, very good at bread but pretty shit at anything else. We almost never buy bread anymore. I just made two loaves of a great honey oatmeal bread last night! (Having a KitchenAid mixer w/a dough hook is key here btw.)

Gollum: "Hot, Ready and Smeagol!" (Phil D.), Friday, 8 February 2013 15:51 (eleven years ago) link

YES. I was lucky enough to get the industrial grade motor KitcheAid mixer and it does a lot of the work for you. I don't think I'd really enjoy baking much if I didn't have it, because my arthritis makes it painful to do all of that mixing and kneading by hand.

Ulna (Nicole), Friday, 8 February 2013 15:54 (eleven years ago) link

I'm a good enough cook and love baking. Have given up on grains though so I only bake two or three times a year, usually scratch cakes and fruit crisps/cobblers. I was baking all our bread until a few years ago, and made some really nice loaves.

Jaq, Friday, 8 February 2013 15:59 (eleven years ago) link

Misread this as 'barking'.

Canaille help you (Michael White), Friday, 8 February 2013 16:45 (eleven years ago) link

I am a good cook, because I have practiced it almost daily over many decades, and the process of cooking interests me. I hesitate to say I stink at baking, but I have never pursued it and can claim no more than a very basic proficiency. I'm pretty sure I could raise my baking a couple of notches, if I were to put in the required effort.

Aimless, Friday, 8 February 2013 19:11 (eleven years ago) link

Misread this as "banking". I am an ok cook/ok baker, though I bake only occasionally and have never tried making bread.

brogue element (seandalai), Friday, 8 February 2013 20:41 (eleven years ago) link

i am a terrible banker, however

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 February 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link

TS: baking vs. banking vs. barking vs. braking

Gollum: "Hot, Ready and Smeagol!" (Phil D.), Friday, 8 February 2013 20:48 (eleven years ago) link

barking comes really easily to me, that's an easy yes

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 8 February 2013 20:50 (eleven years ago) link

really feeling the people itt talking about not liking to follow recipes. i made pistachio muffins yesterday, they were maybe the most successful thing i've ever baked, but my friend really had to rein me in, put measuring cups in my hands. who doesn't love the cavalier oil drizzle, the impulsive transfer of ingredients from their container to the bowl. i feel spoiled by cooking, too; when you cook you mainly cook with things you understand, whereas it's hard to attribute the same kinds of value to things like flour that you wouldn't eat independently. they are more like numbers than ingredients. i always thought it was like the difference between drawing & painting; drawing is so immediate, from your eye to the page, but painting involves a lot of counterintuitive moves, wanting red but knowing you need to paint brown first. baking is really confusing. i know there are comforting dimensions, cool techniques you get to get into like pestle & mortaring, kneading, &c, but i think some of the satisfaction i get from cooking is from feeling like all of the things i did worked out, & that's toned down when you have to obediently follow a recipe so it doesn't screw up.

schlump, Friday, 8 February 2013 21:49 (eleven years ago) link

see I get the opposite comfort from following a good baking recipe, for me it's like having a reassuring, confident voice to get you through the weird parts, so you don't second guess yourself. i'm kinda particular about who I bake with now - ie america's test kitchen can gtfo with their needlessly complicated baking shenanigans.

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 February 2013 21:56 (eleven years ago) link

who doesn't love the cavalier oil drizzle, the impulsive transfer of ingredients from their container to the bowl.

hah, i don't

steaklife (donna rouge), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:07 (eleven years ago) link

i love baking and i guess at this point it comes fairly easy/naturally to me, i used to pester my grandma and mom into helping them bake stuff when i was a kid. but yeah i like having a recipe to follow because i like checking stuff off of lists, what can i say. i'm a bit freer in cooking admittedly.

steaklife (donna rouge), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:11 (eleven years ago) link

me flamboyantly catapulting hastily grasped fistfuls of ingredients into pans against the ambient noise backdrop of sizzling onions is one of my real Joys Of Cooking, i am really insistent on this sensation existing at the heart of any kitchen experience i go out of my way for

schlump, Friday, 8 February 2013 23:13 (eleven years ago) link

donna otm: lists! <3

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:14 (eleven years ago) link

on the contrary, schlump quite otm *plays bridge*

the right to beef at (darraghmac), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:16 (eleven years ago) link

in our house, in general I'm the cook and my wife is the baker. it works out pretty well.

Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:16 (eleven years ago) link

im a virgo btw

steaklife (donna rouge), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:20 (eleven years ago) link

but yeah schlump also otm about freewheeling cooking, that is a fun thing too! I guess i like both worlds

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:21 (eleven years ago) link

i'm a virgo too! different moon signs, apparently.

and that sounds like a gong-concert (La Lechera), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:21 (eleven years ago) link

lol so is my wife, the list thing is so true

Welcome to my world of proses (Shakey Mo Collier), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:21 (eleven years ago) link

what does it mean if i am an aries who likes lists

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:22 (eleven years ago) link

that you will be a most excellent baker :)

Jaq, Friday, 8 February 2013 23:26 (eleven years ago) link

:D

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:28 (eleven years ago) link

Virgos are prone to believing in astrology iirc

dry rub come save beef (flamboyant goon tie included), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:31 (eleven years ago) link

iirc the more you believe in astrology the likelier you are to stay one

the right to beef at (darraghmac), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:35 (eleven years ago) link

i'm awesome at cooking but i don't like to bake. i don't enjoy measuring and i can eat so many cookies that it's better for my health if i don't bake.

veryupsetmom (harbl), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:42 (eleven years ago) link

i am a sagittarius (but really an "ophiuchus" if nu-astrology is anything to go by) so i don't like following rules.

johnny hit and run paul lynde (get bent), Friday, 8 February 2013 23:52 (eleven years ago) link

i am a vegetarius, i think it makes cooking less complicated

schlump, Friday, 8 February 2013 23:55 (eleven years ago) link

I don't bake. I love cooking, but I rarely eat bread, cakes &c., and baking is much more boring than cooking, like mail order vs browsing in a shop.

ogmor, Saturday, 9 February 2013 11:31 (eleven years ago) link

who doesn't love the cavalier oil drizzle, the impulsive transfer of ingredients from their container to the bowl

noooooo

chills down spine thinking about being made to do this. HOW MUCH IS A "DRIZZLE"? if you don't tell me exactly how much, how am i meant to know when to stop?

impulse has no place in cooking because everything will assuredly go disastrous if it does.

lex pretend, Sunday, 10 February 2013 21:37 (eleven years ago) link

I enjoy both cooking and baking.

Women, Fire, and Dangerous Zings (silby), Sunday, 10 February 2013 21:42 (eleven years ago) link

haha. i mean no offense to you or my sis but you sound exactly like my sister (i.e. must follow recipe to the "t" and offer no creativity or common sense.
was making the dough for some vegan sweet potato pecan breakfast rolls for her and niece the other week and when she saw how i was doing it she kinda started to flip. i asked her how they came out and she said "awesome". i'm not impulsive with baking but i've done it enough so i know what a tsp or tbslp of something looks like w/out always measuring. and it's a science but not rocket science. and just 'cuz something is in print somewhere as a recipe doesn't mean that it will always make sense.

making plans for nyquil (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 10 February 2013 21:46 (eleven years ago) link

oh, sorry, xpost to lex

making plans for nyquil (outdoor_miner), Sunday, 10 February 2013 21:47 (eleven years ago) link

lex's difficulties with cooking are well-documented on ilx and no further amount of posting is like to make him warm up to the concept

Women, Fire, and Dangerous Zings (silby), Sunday, 10 February 2013 21:58 (eleven years ago) link

it's like coaxing dame barbara cartland into a pair of levi's

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 10 February 2013 21:59 (eleven years ago) link

I must confess I get stressed out by a pinch of anything

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 10 February 2013 22:19 (eleven years ago) link

i think i find cups more troublesome. some cups are twice the size of other cups.

schlump, Sunday, 10 February 2013 22:26 (eleven years ago) link

Lol, tbf when I was a kid mum always talked in dashes and dabs and dollops, drove me barmy.

Pinches are fine. Trying figuring out if a dash and a bit and a shake are 3 diff measurements or the same thing

set the controls for the heart of the sun (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 10 February 2013 22:27 (eleven years ago) link

I like "a knob of butter" and would measure everything in knobs if possible

flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 10 February 2013 22:30 (eleven years ago) link


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