Television

Been collecting 1992 tour gigs just because I can't get enough of that record

... and I'm glad I read this whole thread because this whole time I was imagining Verlaine as the lead guitarist

this 1993 NC show is killer: http://ow.ly/jhY2I
when they were on during that first reunion tour, they were amazing.

Really enjoyable new review of Hell's autobio, which I gotta get---linked on this ancient, still worthy thread:
richard hell takes apart poor journalist

Wow thanks tyler for the 93 show, I didn't have that one

yesterday...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR3q6RegGHs

cooool. even w/o lloyd, still sounding pretty good.

when they were on during that first reunion tour, they were amazing.

Yes. I saw them in Washington DC and they were good in a way few bands ever are. Saw them about 10 years later and they were awful.

yeah i have a couple really bizarre early 00s shows where they seem to have forgotten how to play.

cooool. even w/o lloyd, still sounding pretty good.

― tylerw, Friday, April 19, 2013 2:58 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lloyd may still be living in mpls, he played some weird show here a couple years ago, had an ad on our craigslist for guitar lessons....um i'm not sure how functional he is these days

Who's replaced Lloyd?

Great blog by Richard Williams

i think that's jimmy rip on second guitar. he's a session guy who's collaborated with verlaine off and on. very skilled but not nearly as manic as lloyd.

yeah jimmy ripp has been verlaine's second guitarist outside of television for 30+ years now. he knows the parts.

yeah i have a couple really bizarre early 00s shows where they seem to have forgotten how to play.

saw them in london in the early 00s and they were soooooo boring. broke my heart as they've always been one of my favourite bands, but they were so... tasteful. like, knopfleresque.

i have a few good 00s shows by them, seems like it all depends on whether verlaine is interested in being there, which is probably only half of the time.

had an ad on our craigslist for guitar lessons

u should hit him up

i follow him on facebook, he's always asking for students, even via skype, i think.

Which show Steve? QEH or ULU? Cos I saw them at ULU in maybe 04 and they killed. Finished with an incredible Psychotic Reaction.

The really weird one was the first gig in London after the reformation, at the Forum in 94 (or 93. I don't recall). Maybe 200 people there. Upstairs closed, downstairs almost completely empty. Verlaine asked for some blue light, and then the whole show was played under two blue spots and nothing else. I recall an amazing Little Johnny Jewel though.

It was the Shepherds Bush Empire, April 2001. Seems like I just caught a bad night - wish I'd been at the Forum show you describe, though.

saw them at the tortoise-curated all tomorrow's parties, and at their later ULU show. they were great both times - but the tension between verlaine and lloyd onstage was palpable, particularly at the ATP show, like almost uncomfortably so. the ATP gig started out very well-attended but the crowd soon started to thin out - think television are just a bit too 'sophisticated guitar solos' for the indie kid purists of days. they were much sloppier at the ULU show, but seemed to be enjoying themselves a bit more, and the one new song they played (something like 'sahara'???) was excellent. a year or so later verlaine and rip played a beautiful duo show at the 100 Club on Tottenham Court Road, and i'm not sure that TV has been back since.

new song you mention is probably this -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYrTcCBM6hw
verlaine's been playing it with and without television since like 1997.

btw looks like you can still grab this --
http://www.earcandyarchive.com/wp-content/uploads/resized/71.jpg
http://www.earcandyarchive.com/?p=24
It was 7 years ago that I first heard Tom Verlaine say:
“This here’s a newie….goes like this”

And finally a new Television album is nearing completion,
albeit without Richard Lloyd, who left to persue The
Radiant Monkey and his own musical vision. So its sheer
conjecture as to which of these new TV songs will have made
it into the studio along with replacement, Jimmy Rip.

Here, then, is a compilation of live performances of those
new songs as performed in recent years. May this serve as
a fitting farewell to Mr Lloyd’s involvement with the group
and an appreciation of his contribution to the evolving of
these new songs.

These are audience recordings so sonic quality is not ideal.
However,the passion is all there in the zeros & the ones…

01 I Could Sleep All Day (Washington DC 2003-03-24)
02 Rise & Fall (London 2005-06-21)
03 Frustration (Sao Paolo 2005-10-25)
04 Flower Spasm (London 2005-06-21)
05 Balloon (Washington DC 2003-03-24)
06 Persia (London 2004-06-23)
07 The Sea ((Hamburg 2004-06-18)

bonus tracks:
08 Swells Pt 1 / Stars / Swells Pt 2 (Sao Paolo 2005-10-25)
09 Stax (Hamburg 2004-06-18)
10 Stockhausen Pysche Jam (London 2004-06-23)
11 Bowie medley (London 2002-06-18
12 Love Theme From Piranha (London 2002-06-18)
13 “Hits On TV” (London 2002-06-19)

Jeff Tweedy's wife Sue reportedly gave him lessons with Lloyd for his birthday once.

Can I tell my fave Television story again? Yeah? OK, cool. The last time I saw them, in 1998 or something, they were at the start of "Marquee Moon" when Lloyd broke a string. So as the band played the song, as a trio, he very calmly, and very slowly, moved aside and patiently changed the string. Very. Patiently. Took his sweet time. In fact, didn't strap the guitar back on until the last few seconds of the song. It was hilarious.

they're doing marquee moon in its entirety in australia this fall
http://www.atpfestival.com/newsview/1304162359.php

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eH8Iqv6LkVc&feature=player_embedded
weird! last weekend television played "i'm gonna find you" an unreleased tune from 1974. have they been listening to the old bootlegs?

Well you know there's this blog they may have stumbled upon

haha, that would be terrifying.

I'm thinking people need to talk about Adventure more often!

let's talk about it!
Television played this one last week, which they never did back in the day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtSsXABdBNw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtSsXABdBNw

i really like that song. the clientele do a groovy version but it doesn't appear to be on youtube.

Crazy, I've just seen these posts and I'm actually listening to 'The Fire' right now on my copy of Adventure! Great song, and absolutely wonderful guitar work as always. I can see why Adventure tends to get overlooked... it followed up a stone-cold classic in Marquee Moon, and its material is a touch more relaxed, maybe... but the more I listen to it, the more it gets its claws in me. There really isn't a song on Adventure I dislike, for what it's worth!

I recall Adventure getting a two star review in UNCUT for the reissue, alone with MM's five stars. Seemed really OTT rather than standing on its own merits (which it has). It's not MM but it's not a two star album either (IMO).

Also surprised that, at that time (00s anyway), it seemed Adventure was getting quite a lot of credit on its own whilst keeping things realistic, rather than people dismissing it offhand just because it wasn't MM (and it isn't, but anyway..)

Yeah, that's more than a bit OTT, IMO... I definitely don't think Adventure is a two star record!

finally watched the 1974 tape from ork's loft. verlaine is so animated, jumping around & smiling, kinda reminiscent of thurston moore circa 1983 & in fact the blurry untuned guitar sound resembled sonic youth to a startling degree. huh. too bad hell's mike didn't work but still a revelation.

I think my issue with Adventure is how it kinda fizzles out with the last track.

Now, it has the title track to 'end' it, which isn't exactly 'great' but it does what was needed.

C'mon! It has "Foxhole", "Careful" and "Aint that nothing". And "Glory", and and and....

Terry Ork's loft rehearsal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcGEcB5M4es

"Persia" is my new jam

yeah it's great, total trance music. i have one version that's close to 20 minutes.

I think my issue with Adventure is how it kinda fizzles out with the last track.

Get outta here, the solo is among the best guitar playing I've ever in my life

Ever heard that is. LOL. And believe me I've tried to play it.

I hate to say this, but Television could be the most underachieving band in the history of rock and roll. All that talent, the immortal debut, and that's pretty much it.

xxp: i've always wished for a side-long version of The Dream's Dream

"yeah it's great, total trance music. i have one version that's close to 20 minutes."

Ysi?

hate to say this, but Television could be the most underachieving band in the history of rock and roll. All that talent, the immortal debut, and that's pretty much it.

I'm a stan for the '92 album.

Side 2 of Adventure is where I'm at.

that ork loft youtube is one of my most watched/listened to things of the past month, i think i saw it on tyler's blog

http://25.media.tumblr.com/f7baf4507ec5c13242a6354ed6219307/tumblr_moc9es222E1qzy30io1_500.png