crackling perimeter is probably my favorite gimmick card in the set
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
sounblockable roguesdrakewingraptorshadow slicecall of the nightwingnimbus swimmerthe 2/2 flying artifact
+ removal / crocs / walls
that seems viable. is it draftable?
― iatee, Friday, 22 February 2013 18:04 (eleven years ago) link
sure, you just draft simic and scoop up some of the splashable dimir cards that slip through due to underdrafting. simic cards are less splashable so i wouldn't do it the other way around
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
that makes sense
― iatee, Friday, 22 February 2013 18:06 (eleven years ago) link
i've really had no luck splashing anything in this set. RTR was so much different.
― frogbs, Friday, 22 February 2013 18:25 (eleven years ago) link
it's more dangerous since the format's like half a turn faster but it's still doable
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 18:35 (eleven years ago) link
lamp, contaminated ground has a distinct and useful place, and that is versus the verdant haven deck. i will happily pick it when the unplayable piles start coming around, and will happy side all of mine in against those decks.
― cocktail onion (fennel cartwright), Friday, 22 February 2013 18:52 (eleven years ago) link
isn't the card generally stronger if you drop it turn one or two tho vs 'making two mana more expensive'
― iatee, Friday, 22 February 2013 18:55 (eleven years ago) link
the card is always good. always
― kill yuppies (Lamp), Friday, 22 February 2013 18:56 (eleven years ago) link
i would rather play the frenzied tilling/structural collapse deck
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 19:06 (eleven years ago) link
i want frenzied tilling to be better than it is. i still like it tho. land destruction is by far one of my favorite magic strategies and i really wish i could've played when sinkhole was legal. i actually traded for judge foil sinkhole cuz i really just like that card so much
also general thread qn: do any of you collect magic cards, apart from playing them?
― kill yuppies (Lamp), Friday, 22 February 2013 19:07 (eleven years ago) link
i keep a 'collection' of all my old cards from mirage/tempest/urza's blocks because i love that era of the game a lot, but it's all commons/uncommons/junk rares. i never had many money cards and the ones i did got traded away for standard stuff a couple years ago when i started playing more competetively.
i don't think legacy has a bright future as a format and i don't enjoy it as much as modern, so if i ever buy/trade for old cards it's for nostalgia value and not utilitarian value.
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 19:16 (eleven years ago) link
cider are you planning on going to gp providence?
― kill yuppies (Lamp), Friday, 22 February 2013 19:19 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that's the team one in june right? i live in boston so i'm almost definitely going.
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 19:20 (eleven years ago) link
yeah its team limited
― kill yuppies (Lamp), Friday, 22 February 2013 19:21 (eleven years ago) link
actually wait i'm gonna be in europe that weekend, so not going, damn
― ciderpress, Friday, 22 February 2013 19:24 (eleven years ago) link
:(
― iatee, Friday, 22 February 2013 19:25 (eleven years ago) link
Went 1-0-2 tonight with a real silly orzhov deck that was really good at stalling, but not very good at winning.
Beckon apparition2x shadow alley denizen2x dutiful thrillSyndic of tithesBlind obedience foilContaminated groundGutter skulkVizkopa guildmageCartel aristocratOrzhov charm2x executioner's swingOrzhov keyrune 2x corpse blockadeBasilica guardsBoros reckonerMillennial gargoyleZarichi tigerGrisly spectacleVizkopa confessor Merciless eviction Orzhov Guildgate6 swamps9 plains
― Moodles, Saturday, 23 February 2013 07:33 (eleven years ago) link
Reckoner was a pure hate draft but it ended up being quite a powerhouse in this deck
― Moodles, Saturday, 23 February 2013 07:35 (eleven years ago) link
reckoner shoulda been a pure money draft!
I first picked aurelia but also ended up in orzhov last night. I had a pretty sweet deck but lost to a dimir deck in the finals, as cosmic retribution for all my dimir shit talk itt. someone ended up third due to other ppls stupid ties.
3 kingpin's pethigh priest of penancesyndic guildmage screecherbasilica guards2 dutiful thrullkeyruneassault griffinzarichi tiger guardian of the gateless2 smite2 angelic edictgrisly spectacleexecutioner's swingorz charmshadow slicemerciless eviction
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 15:20 (eleven years ago) link
I really wish I had seen some copies of kingpin's pet. I was sorely lacking good evasive guys to hit with.
― Moodles, Saturday, 23 February 2013 15:29 (eleven years ago) link
yeah that's usually how I won, but the dimir deck could stop me w/ those stupid 2/3 spies
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 15:31 (eleven years ago) link
someone ended up in third = somehow ended up in third
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 15:47 (eleven years ago) link
someone = me
so 7th pick Soul Ransom and 8th pick Dinrova Horror means Dimir is pretty open huh?
― frogbs, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:28 (eleven years ago) link
yeah I grabbed like a 10th pick dinrova horror last draft just in case dimir was open but it didn't end up being the case
I've seen bane alley brokers go like 12th pick
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:35 (eleven years ago) link
thinking about running this. but i'm not sure if i'm too ambitious on running 4 Deaths Approach or the high end stuff. I don't have much Cipher at all so I feel like I kind need some finishers.
http://i.imgur.com/B0ijkCG.jpg
― frogbs, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:40 (eleven years ago) link
shadow slice is a must
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:42 (eleven years ago) link
think its a better finisher than mind grind or the lord?
― frogbs, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
absolutely
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:45 (eleven years ago) link
mind grind is always ambitious tho your deck really does have enough graveyard stuff that you could imagine it being useful as a not-win-condition
lord a little too ambitious
I'd also consider keymaster over one of the 4 death's approaches...they do work better in batches but they also work worse in batches. you might end up w/ 2 in an opening hand and never have a chance to get something graveyarded.
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:50 (eleven years ago) link
maybe even the sprite. you have a cool deck but def leave yourself open if you don't have a fast start.
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:52 (eleven years ago) link
thats what i was thinking w/ mind grind. you don't really need to win with it. but then again Paranoid Delusions may be a better card in that spot. I'll probably side out Lord for the Faerie, at least.
Keymaster I'm not too sure of...don't really reliably have much to return with it. Plus without Cipher its upside is not really worth it.
― frogbs, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:57 (eleven years ago) link
also I'm going 11 swamp 6 island. this is a problem because I'm on my third game and haven't drawn an island before turn 6 yet
― frogbs, Saturday, 23 February 2013 19:59 (eleven years ago) link
paranoid delusions doesn't have the same win-cond upside tho. (I mean it sorta does.)
yeah keymaster prob less important than the faerie
I think your worst matchup is gruul. ember beast or the 4/4 trample dude will be rough.
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 20:01 (eleven years ago) link
I don't know if this is 'correct' as they say but I def go for more even land ratios than the colors dictate. I would prob be 10/7 there, possibly 9/8.
― iatee, Saturday, 23 February 2013 20:04 (eleven years ago) link
i did 11/6 because i always wind up short on black mana w/ extort. usually I wont do that. that said I don't have much cipher/extort going on so yeah 10/7 is probably best.
i've played dimir vs gruul before and you're right, it's not a good matchup. i actually find it easier to nerf the smaller/quicker stuff that boros gets out.
― frogbs, Saturday, 23 February 2013 20:14 (eleven years ago) link
pretty easy 3-0 with it, too. lost two games due to not getting my 3rd land but every other game was pretty easy. beat Boros and Simic, then wound up in finals vs. a B/R/W super removal/extort deck which was obnoxious because he dropped a bunch of 1/1s that I had to deal with. Dinrova Horror was by far the MVP here since it kept taking out dudes w/ enchantments and giving them a hard decision afterwards. definitely did not regret playing 4 Deaths Approaches, by the way
― frogbs, Saturday, 23 February 2013 21:38 (eleven years ago) link
btw it was Mind Grind that won me that final match. neither one of us could really do anything so I just hit him for 6 with that and that was game.
― frogbs, Saturday, 23 February 2013 21:40 (eleven years ago) link
so looks like cider's deck is pretty good...
― iatee, Monday, 25 February 2013 15:51 (eleven years ago) link
haha i lost to my own deck at gameday the other day, complete with the 1-of skarrg guildmage. i was playing the undercity informer reanimator combo deck that ended up the GP finals the next day. it was pretty weird.
― ciderpress, Monday, 25 February 2013 15:58 (eleven years ago) link
I had such a crazy sealed pool at the GP. 2 Daring Skyjek, 3 Ember Beast, Sunhome Guildmage, 2 Martial Glory, Mugging, Syndic of Tithes, and then Wrecking Ogre, Angelic Skirmisher, and Glaring Spotlight to top it off. The deck built itself, apart from the decision to splash green for Swine and Rampager (which I did). Was 8-1 after day 1 and I was so excited I had a hard time sleeping because I had a really good shot at finishing in the money. Naturally, I lost the two sealed rounds on day 2, and despite drafting a good Boros deck, I lost two close matches with it. At that point I was out of contention for money and we wanted to get home so I dropped, but I'm happy I got to taste day 2 again.
Maybe I should have forced Dimir in that draft after all. It was way underdrafted, I stole an 11th pick Deathcult Rogue from someone. But when your first four picks are Boros Reckoner, Sunhome Guildmage, Daring Skyjek, Angelic Edict, you feel pretty locked in from the start.
― Vinnie, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:18 (eleven years ago) link
cider, is your deck the Jund one that took several of the top slots in Quebec?
― Vinnie, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:20 (eleven years ago) link
nobody drafted dimir in the final 8
― iatee, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:22 (eleven years ago) link
Vinnie it was the naya humans deck that won, though i had ghor-clan rampager instead of giant growth
― ciderpress, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:28 (eleven years ago) link
Nice! That deck looks extremely fun to play.
― Vinnie, Monday, 25 February 2013 16:34 (eleven years ago) link
attn Lamp: there's a grixis delver/duskmantle seer deck that's popped up on MTGO in the past few days:http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Digital/MagicOnlineTourn.aspx?x=mtg/digital/magiconline/tourn/50616525th place here
20 instants/sorceries is a bit light for blind delver flipping but i'm going to give it a try since duskmantle seer and desperate ravings are 2 of my favorite underplayed cards in standard
― ciderpress, Monday, 25 February 2013 17:43 (eleven years ago) link
yeah i've played a lot with that list - i 4-0'd a daily on friday w/it in fact. but i played it this weekend and it was kind of a bust although it was largely my fault, there a couple of times that i savagely misplayed and a bunch of times i took suboptimal lines trying to be too aggressive with the deck. it shades way closer to the control side of aggro-control i think and i don't think its really a delver list. or maybe i just had terrible luck w/him. i was thinking about trying to run artistocrats in the list although i don't love what that does to the curve. but i often found myself really wanting that type of threat when i was playing it.
― kill yuppies (Lamp), Monday, 25 February 2013 18:50 (eleven years ago) link
also overgrown battlement seems to be creeping its way back into modern which makes me happy. both standard and modern feel really open right now
― ciderpress, Monday, 25 February 2013 19:13 (eleven years ago) link
putting charlotte's record number in context: http://imgur.com/a/nEqiw
and - worth noting I think - this was disposable spending during a huge recession
if they don't fuck up the next block there's a lot of potential growth still there I think
― iatee, Monday, 25 February 2013 19:48 (eleven years ago) link